Red Wings Won't be Active at Trade Deadline

[Guest Crymson]

Doing a good job and not spending all the money are not mutually exclusive.

esteef

That doesn't make much sense in the context of what I wrote.

Crymson

Edited February 27, 2011 by Crymson

[esteef 2,679]

That doesn't make much sense.

Crymson

If Holland is so good at what he does, he should be able to properly outfit the team in the offseason AND be able to make a deadline move when necessary.

esteef

[redwingfan19 293]

shouldn't matter what time of season it is, holland should be looking to improve this team at all times.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

Holland claims to have made no contact with atlanta for bogosian. zomg please do it holland. pllllleeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeee i suck yo dick!

[Majsheppard 203]

Holland claims to have made no contact with atlanta for bogosian. zomg please do it holland. pllllleeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeee i suck yo dick!

I think that is how most deals come to be made. It is the only way the Craig Anderson-Brian Elliot trade makes any sense...

[dirtydangles 1,328]

I think that is how most deals come to be made. It is the only way the Craig Anderson-Brian Elliot trade makes any sense...

I totally agree.

[thedisappearer 291]

starting to get tired of kenny and his " insert injured player here" is our deadline acquisition.

Well, if it is, so be it. I'd rather have the player the whole year anyway.

If Holland is so good at what he does, he should be able to properly outfit the team in the offseason AND be able to make a deadline move when necessary.

If you were better at what Holland does than Holland, you'd have his job.

[rage 24]

Holland claims to have made no contact with atlanta for bogosian. zomg please do it holland. pllllleeeeeeaaaaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeee i suck yo dick!

Oh man that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time!!!

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Hudler, Ericsson and a 1st/2nd for Bogosian would be a sweet deal. We're overly deep on offense so sending a forward away to shore up our D like that would be sick. Can we afford the cap hit though? I'm much too lazy to check.

I wouldn't do that deal with the 1st round pick in there. Bogosisn is very unproven at this point.

[redwingfan19 293]

I wouldn't do that deal with the 1st round pick in there. Bogosisn is very unproven at this point.

this is his 3rd year in the NHL, how is he unproven?

[Majsheppard 203]

Some sort of deal is needed, this is an awful game to watch. I am not hitting the panic button. I just would love to see something change.

ALL I HAD TO DO WAS COMPLAIN!!! GREAT@!

[Crashnburnluder 385]

I want Bogo... We all know Holland likes to hide his hand.... Maybe that will be the case and we get him at a fair price.... A 3rd overall pick would be great!!!

[Barrie 900]

This trade would please me and hold me over for a couple years - in other words, i would never ask kenny for another thing.

That made me laugh

[Drake_Marcus 890]

this is his 3rd year in the NHL, how is he unproven?

179gp 23g 31a 54pts -22 (averaging 21:41 this season, with 18:06 in his rookie year)

[0.30 points per game]

3rd overall pick

Takes better stats than that to be a 'proven' 3rd overall pick. Sorry man but you expect a lot from a top 3 pick.

Did I mention he's being talked about moving at age 20?

E. Johnson put 93 pts up in 204 games [0.46 points per game] in 3 seasons with the Blues before being shipped out.

I'd still be over the moon to see Bogo moved here but I'm not going to call him a future Norris candidate just yet.

[eva unit zero 271]

this is his 3rd year in the NHL, how is he unproven?

If what Bogosian has done so far makes him proven, and the Hudler + Ericsson/Kindl + 1st pick deal goes down, Holland should be fired on the spot. Bogo is good, and young, but he isn't worthy NEARLY that much.

I want Bogo... We all know Holland likes to hide his hand.... Maybe that will be the case and we get him at a fair price.... A 3rd overall pick would be great!!!

Holland is going to trade Kindl and a 2nd rounder for him?

[Barrie 900]

Did I mention he's being talked about moving at age 20?

Yea I'm wondering why Atlanta wants to move him. Who moves a 20 year old, unless he's got some baggage that those of us outside the Atlanta organization don't know about? It's not like it's a salary dump. What's up with him?

If what Bogosian has done so far makes him proven, and the Hudler + Ericsson/Kindl + 1st pick deal goes down, Holland should be fired on the spot. Bogo is good, and young, but he isn't worthy NEARLY that much.

Yea, I looked at his stats, and wasn't too overly impressed. He's got a lot of years a head of him, but no way would I be willing to sell the farm for him!

Edited February 27, 2011 by Barrie

[matt198913 932]

Depth D man would be fine for me. No need for any other moves. I cringe at trading Ericcson right now because I don't see how Bogosian could help any more than Ericcson. Ya ya he's physcial, blah blah blah he's minus 11 with 4 goals and 8 assists. E is a plus 12 with 3 goals and 11 assists. he's got 73 hits too.

[rage 24]

Depth D man would be fine for me. No need for any other moves. I cringe at trading Ericcson right now because I don't see how Bogosian could help any more than Ericcson. Ya ya he's physcial, blah blah blah he's minus 11 with 4 goals and 8 assists. E is a plus 12 with 3 goals and 11 assists. he's got 73 hits too.

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!

Edited February 27, 2011 by rage

[Crashnburnluder 385]

Double post on the iPhone sorry

Edited February 27, 2011 by Crashnburnluder

[Konnan511 1,736]

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!

PP Time/G -

Bogo: ~2mins

Big E: ~10 secs.

Yet Ericsson has more points oddly enough.

So by your logical and comparative analysis, Lidstrom would be -20 on Atlanta then, eh? That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

Plus/Minus, by itself is more or less useless, but when you compare it to teammates and usual line-mates, then it is an excellent stat. i.e. Bogo has the worst +/- on his team at -15. the next lowest is -11. The highest +/- on Atlanta by defensemen are +9 and +7. So either Bogo is playing with a terrible partner, or he is struggling mightily at even strength or a combo of both.

[matt198913 932]

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!

I do think the plus minus does play a major role in todays NHL. Last year E a minus 15, he's definitely improving

[Drake_Marcus 890]

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!

Actually the oddest thing about Ericsson's +12 is the fact that Lidstrom is -1. +/- obviously isn't the be all and end all of stats (no one in their right mind would argue Lidstrom isn't a million times the d-man E is in every facet of the game aside from fighting-- and Lidstrom could probably be awesome at fighting if he felt like it). But still-- how is that possible? Luck can't be the answer either-- the Wings have played 62 games. Part of it is Ericsson's season throught the first 50 games or so was a mile above his play last year and part of it is Lidstrom's partners this season.... I think another issue is that our top 6 forwards just haven't been as dominant defensively as we're used to. Another big issue is Datsyuk's 19 games lost to injury.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

fml. why are we talking about whether ericsson is better than bogosian atm? We can all agree that bogosian has a much greater potential than ericsson and is much younger and would be a project for the future to become a top dman.

others are saying that we need to think about now and win the cup now which ericsson is better suited to help us do atm.

so in the end, it depends on whether you want to take a bit of a risk now for the future or stick with the horses we're riding now. i personally think we should not pass up this opportunity because we never get a high draft pick like this and hes so young so there is a long time he can play for us - hes 20 and that means he could play 15 odd years for us. i think its an investment.

meh, its up to holland.

[rage 24]

PP Time/G -

Bogo: ~2mins

Big E: ~10 secs.

Yet Ericsson has more points oddly enough.

So by your logical and comparative analysis, Lidstrom would be -20 on Atlanta then, eh? That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

Plus/Minus, by itself is more or less useless, but when you compare it to teammates and usual line-mates, then it is an excellent stat. i.e. Bogo has the worst +/- on his team at -15. the next lowest is -11. The highest +/- on Atlanta by defensemen are +9 and +7. So either Bogo is playing with a terrible partner, or he is struggling mightily at even strength or a combo of both.

Players on lower seeded teams tend to have worse +/- ratings than those on higher seeded teams.

I'd make that trade everyday of the week.

Actually the oddest thing about Ericsson's +12 is the fact that Lidstrom is -1. +/- obviously isn't the be all and end all of stats (no one in their right mind would argue Lidstrom isn't a million times the d-man E is in every facet of the game aside from fighting-- and Lidstrom could probably be awesome at fighting if he felt like it). But still-- how is that possible? Luck can't be the answer either-- the Wings have played 62 games. Part of it is Ericsson's season throught the first 50 games or so was a mile above his play last year and part of it is Lidstrom's partners this season.... I think another issue is that our top 6 forwards just haven't been as dominant defensively as we're used to. Another big issue is Datsyuk's 19 games lost to injury.

Good points.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

fml. why are we talking about whether ericsson is better than bogosian atm? We can all agree that bogosian has a much greater potential than ericsson and is much younger and would be a project for the future to become a top dman.

others are saying that we need to think about now and win the cup now which ericsson is better suited to help us do atm.

so in the end, it depends on whether you want to take a bit of a risk now for the future or stick with the horses we're riding now. i personally think we should not pass up this opportunity because we never get a high draft pick like this and hes so young so there is a long time he can play for us - hes 20 and that means he could play 15 odd years for us. i think its an investment.

meh, its up to holland.

If Lidstrom wasn't 40 I'd be fine with taking a ding going into the playoffs for the sake of the future. But he could retire at any time and when he does it will really, really hurt this team. Holland has to push hard now before Lids hangs his skates up for good.

Bogo is an RFA this summer and rumours are he doesn't want to stay in Atlanta. I'm sure Holland would rather take a run at him then.

Plus Holland outright denied that he spoke with Atlanta about obtaining Bogosian. I'm sure he's kicked the tires but that could be as simple as chatting with another GM and asking him what Atlanta asked for.

Holland obviously plays his cards close to his chest but I very much doubt he'd straight up lie to a reporter about this. If he didn't want to comment he'd just tell them he has no comment on the record.