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#61 Majsheppard

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 09:24 PM

Some sort of deal is needed, this is an awful game to watch. I am not hitting the panic button. I just would love to see something change.

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 10:04 PM

I want Bogo... We all know Holland likes to hide his hand.... Maybe that will be the case and we get him at a fair price.... A 3rd overall pick would be great!!!

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 10:23 PM

This trade would please me and hold me over for a couple years - in other words, i would never ask kenny for another thing.

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 11:10 PM

this is his 3rd year in the NHL, how is he unproven?


179gp 23g 31a 54pts -22 (averaging 21:41 this season, with 18:06 in his rookie year)
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Takes better stats than that to be a 'proven' 3rd overall pick. Sorry man but you expect a lot from a top 3 pick.

Did I mention he's being talked about moving at age 20?

E. Johnson put 93 pts up in 204 games [0.46 points per game] in 3 seasons with the Blues before being shipped out.

I'd still be over the moon to see Bogo moved here but I'm not going to call him a future Norris candidate just yet.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 11:48 PM

this is his 3rd year in the NHL, how is he unproven?


If what Bogosian has done so far makes him proven, and the Hudler + Ericsson/Kindl + 1st pick deal goes down, Holland should be fired on the spot. Bogo is good, and young, but he isn't worthy NEARLY that much.


I want Bogo... We all know Holland likes to hide his hand.... Maybe that will be the case and we get him at a fair price.... A 3rd overall pick would be great!!!


Holland is going to trade Kindl and a 2nd rounder for him?

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 11:59 PM

Did I mention he's being talked about moving at age 20?

Yea I'm wondering why Atlanta wants to move him. Who moves a 20 year old, unless he's got some baggage that those of us outside the Atlanta organization don't know about? It's not like it's a salary dump. What's up with him?


If what Bogosian has done so far makes him proven, and the Hudler + Ericsson/Kindl + 1st pick deal goes down, Holland should be fired on the spot. Bogo is good, and young, but he isn't worthy NEARLY that much.

Yea, I looked at his stats, and wasn't too overly impressed. He's got a lot of years a head of him, but no way would I be willing to sell the farm for him!

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:10 AM

Depth D man would be fine for me. No need for any other moves. I cringe at trading Ericcson right now because I don't see how Bogosian could help any more than Ericcson. Ya ya he's physcial, blah blah blah he's minus 11 with 4 goals and 8 assists. E is a plus 12 with 3 goals and 11 assists. he's got 73 hits too.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:17 AM

Depth D man would be fine for me. No need for any other moves. I cringe at trading Ericcson right now because I don't see how Bogosian could help any more than Ericcson. Ya ya he's physcial, blah blah blah he's minus 11 with 4 goals and 8 assists. E is a plus 12 with 3 goals and 11 assists. he's got 73 hits too.


So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:24 AM

Double post on the iPhone sorry

Edited by Crashnburnluder, 27 February 2011 - 12:24 AM.


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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:39 AM

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!


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Bogo: ~2mins
Big E: ~10 secs.
Yet Ericsson has more points oddly enough.

So by your logical and comparative analysis, Lidstrom would be -20 on Atlanta then, eh? That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

Plus/Minus, by itself is more or less useless, but when you compare it to teammates and usual line-mates, then it is an excellent stat. i.e. Bogo has the worst +/- on his team at -15. the next lowest is -11. The highest +/- on Atlanta by defensemen are +9 and +7. So either Bogo is playing with a terrible partner, or he is struggling mightily at even strength or a combo of both.


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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:41 AM

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!


I do think the plus minus does play a major role in todays NHL. Last year E a minus 15, he's definitely improving
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:49 AM

So you could argue that they are similar in the +/- stat category being that Ericcson plays for the 84 point Red Wings, while Bogosian plays for the 61 point Thrashers could you not? Not even considering ice time which I am sure Bogosian gets more of.

My point is don't take into consideration the +/- stat so much.

Ericcson is 6 years older too. That being said, I'd be trading Kindl before Ericcson for sure!!


Actually the oddest thing about Ericsson's +12 is the fact that Lidstrom is -1. +/- obviously isn't the be all and end all of stats (no one in their right mind would argue Lidstrom isn't a million times the d-man E is in every facet of the game aside from fighting-- and Lidstrom could probably be awesome at fighting if he felt like it). But still-- how is that possible? Luck can't be the answer either-- the Wings have played 62 games. Part of it is Ericsson's season throught the first 50 games or so was a mile above his play last year and part of it is Lidstrom's partners this season.... I think another issue is that our top 6 forwards just haven't been as dominant defensively as we're used to. Another big issue is Datsyuk's 19 games lost to injury.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 12:50 AM

fml. why are we talking about whether ericsson is better than bogosian atm? We can all agree that bogosian has a much greater potential than ericsson and is much younger and would be a project for the future to become a top dman.

others are saying that we need to think about now and win the cup now which ericsson is better suited to help us do atm.

so in the end, it depends on whether you want to take a bit of a risk now for the future or stick with the horses we're riding now. i personally think we should not pass up this opportunity because we never get a high draft pick like this and hes so young so there is a long time he can play for us - hes 20 and that means he could play 15 odd years for us. i think its an investment.

meh, its up to holland.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 27 February 2011 - 01:21 AM

PP Time/G -
Bogo: ~2mins
Big E: ~10 secs.
Yet Ericsson has more points oddly enough.

So by your logical and comparative analysis, Lidstrom would be -20 on Atlanta then, eh? That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.

Plus/Minus, by itself is more or less useless, but when you compare it to teammates and usual line-mates, then it is an excellent stat. i.e. Bogo has the worst +/- on his team at -15. the next lowest is -11. The highest +/- on Atlanta by defensemen are +9 and +7. So either Bogo is playing with a terrible partner, or he is struggling mightily at even strength or a combo of both.



Players on lower seeded teams tend to have worse +/- ratings than those on higher seeded teams.

I'd make that trade everyday of the week.

Actually the oddest thing about Ericsson's +12 is the fact that Lidstrom is -1. +/- obviously isn't the be all and end all of stats (no one in their right mind would argue Lidstrom isn't a million times the d-man E is in every facet of the game aside from fighting-- and Lidstrom could probably be awesome at fighting if he felt like it). But still-- how is that possible? Luck can't be the answer either-- the Wings have played 62 games. Part of it is Ericsson's season throught the first 50 games or so was a mile above his play last year and part of it is Lidstrom's partners this season.... I think another issue is that our top 6 forwards just haven't been as dominant defensively as we're used to. Another big issue is Datsyuk's 19 games lost to injury.


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Posted 27 February 2011 - 01:38 AM

fml. why are we talking about whether ericsson is better than bogosian atm? We can all agree that bogosian has a much greater potential than ericsson and is much younger and would be a project for the future to become a top dman.

others are saying that we need to think about now and win the cup now which ericsson is better suited to help us do atm.

so in the end, it depends on whether you want to take a bit of a risk now for the future or stick with the horses we're riding now. i personally think we should not pass up this opportunity because we never get a high draft pick like this and hes so young so there is a long time he can play for us - hes 20 and that means he could play 15 odd years for us. i think its an investment.

meh, its up to holland.


If Lidstrom wasn't 40 I'd be fine with taking a ding going into the playoffs for the sake of the future. But he could retire at any time and when he does it will really, really hurt this team. Holland has to push hard now before Lids hangs his skates up for good.

Bogo is an RFA this summer and rumours are he doesn't want to stay in Atlanta. I'm sure Holland would rather take a run at him then.

Plus Holland outright denied that he spoke with Atlanta about obtaining Bogosian. I'm sure he's kicked the tires but that could be as simple as chatting with another GM and asking him what Atlanta asked for.

Holland obviously plays his cards close to his chest but I very much doubt he'd straight up lie to a reporter about this. If he didn't want to comment he'd just tell them he has no comment on the record.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 02:36 AM

The main reason for this topic ending up a lets get Bogo thread, is that we are all worried that Lids could( and i think will) retire at the end of this season. We dont seem to have anyone lined up to step into the fold and that is a big void to fill. The names floating about are all hearsay at the moment and I dont think Kenny will pull the trigger on any deal before the deadline. people are quotting figures and stats ref Bogo over E but Kindl's name is being mooted in the deal. Well stats prove that Kindl was more productive during the minors than Bogo was and Kindls role at present within the Wings system has been limited. Given a bigger role im sure Kindl will put numbers up, maybe not Lids type, but i would hasard a guess and say just as good as Bogo has at present. The key issue is, if Bogo was on the Wings D how much would his prodution go up? I agree we need to get someone in before Lids goes, Smith is going to be good for the Wings but we cant look
at him taking on the role that will be vacant, not for a few years anyway. So who's it gunna be?
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 02:43 AM

Words can't describe the void that will exist when Lidstrom retires.

The adjustment that will begin the Post-Lidstrom era is gonna suck so much.

Maybe their crappy defensive performances are just the Wings trying to ween themselves very, very slowly.

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 04:32 AM

I have to be honest when Lidstrom decides to retire, whether it be this year or next, I am not worried at all about our D. Kronwall and Ericsson as the top pair doesn't put the fear of god in me. Also knowing that they would just go get the best D man available is comforting. This team is loaded with depth at D, Smith, Kolosov, Kindl, you can even throw Meech in there too.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 11:37 AM

I have to be honest when Lidstrom decides to retire, whether it be this year or next, I am not worried at all about our D. Kronwall and Ericsson as the top pair doesn't put the fear of god in me. Also knowing that they would just go get the best D man available is comforting. This team is loaded with depth at D, Smith, Kolosov, Kindl, you can even throw Meech in there too.


I'm not really sure Kolosov will be an NHL defenseman at this point. I hope he makes it but right now he still needs to take that next step in his development. Logan Pyett excites me more at this point. He's cut from the same cloth as Meech, though, but he still might be an NHL player if we're lucky.

Our future on the back end doesn't look bad at all:
-Smith has the potential to be a top 2 defenseman
-Gleason Fournier has a ton of offensive potential too (playing at a point per game pace in the Q)
-Adam Almqvist looks like a could be a real stud... can't wait to see him play in NA. His hockey IQ is off the charts but right now he's built like a 13 year old girl
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 11:45 AM

I think the trade is dead, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Edited by Majsheppard, 27 February 2011 - 01:18 PM.

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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

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