cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted March 6, 2011 "I know Trevor as a person and I know there was no malicious intent when he was finishing the check." An astute comment from one who should know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 7, 2011 He didn't learn from his first 10 game suspension, will he learn this time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 He didn't learn from his first 10 game suspension, will he learn this time? You'd think he'd have plenty of time to think about it while riding the bench for 95% of every Islanders game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 You got guys like Clutterbuck, who is out with an "upper body injury" aka concussion from Gillies, and Tangoradi who is out with a concussion from Gillies and we just learned that Probert died from all the concussions he had and Gillies is still defended by people on this board because he's a pure goon. What's noble about going off on a guy on the ice who was clearly injured by your cross ice charge...then taunting him as he laid on the ice. Followed by simultaneously checking a guys head into the boards and punching him in th face? In a little over two minutes of ice time Gillies has impacted two NHL players, one a promising prospect and the other a leader and top tier player on the Wild. "Mehhhh, Gillies was just retaliating to Clusterf***,,,mehhhhhh", Clusterbuck's hit is done every game, at least a dozen times to Homstrom and players like Miller and Eaves and Filppula who are easily knocked down to the ice. If you're skating backwards, you aren't going to be propelled forward at any dangerous rate. This wasn't directed at any individual, just tired of seeing Gillies defended. The game needs to get rid of Gillies so brain injuries don't take the lives of any more of our players. Obviously if you play on the edge and you cross the line, once, maybe twice, it's tolerable...but man... in two minutes you cheap shot two players and alter their careers. 2 Doc Holliday and HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 You got guys like Clutterbuck, who is out with an "upper body injury" aka concussion from Gillies, and Tangoradi who is out with a concussion from Gillies and we just learned that Probert died from all the concussions he had and Gillies is still defended by people on this board because he's a pure goon. What's noble about going off on a guy on the ice who was clearly injured by your cross ice charge...then taunting him as he laid on the ice. Followed by simultaneously checking a guys head into the boards and punching him in th face? In a little over two minutes of ice time Gillies has impacted two NHL players, one a promising prospect and the other a leader and top tier player on the Wild. "Mehhhh, Gillies was just retaliating to Clusterf***,,,mehhhhhh", Clusterbuck's hit is done every game, at least a dozen times to Homstrom and players like Miller and Eaves and Filppula who are easily knocked down to the ice. If you're skating backwards, you aren't going to be propelled forward at any dangerous rate. This wasn't directed at any individual, just tired of seeing Gillies defended. The game needs to get rid of Gillies so brain injuries don't take the lives of any more of our players. Obviously if you play on the edge and you cross the line, once, maybe twice, it's tolerable...but man... in two minutes you cheap shot two players and alter their careers. That was about as low a moment as I've seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shoreline Report post Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) You got guys like Clutterbuck, who is out with an "upper body injury" aka concussion from Gillies, and Tangoradi who is out with a concussion from Gillies and we just learned that Probert died from all the concussions he had and Gillies is still defended by people on this board because he's a pure goon. What's noble about going off on a guy on the ice who was clearly injured by your cross ice charge...then taunting him as he laid on the ice. Followed by simultaneously checking a guys head into the boards and punching him in th face? In a little over two minutes of ice time Gillies has impacted two NHL players, one a promising prospect and the other a leader and top tier player on the Wild. "Mehhhh, Gillies was just retaliating to Clusterf***,,,mehhhhhh", Clusterbuck's hit is done every game, at least a dozen times to Homstrom and players like Miller and Eaves and Filppula who are easily knocked down to the ice. If you're skating backwards, you aren't going to be propelled forward at any dangerous rate. This wasn't directed at any individual, just tired of seeing Gillies defended. The game needs to get rid of Gillies so brain injuries don't take the lives of any more of our players. Obviously if you play on the edge and you cross the line, once, maybe twice, it's tolerable...but man... in two minutes you cheap shot two players and alter their careers. Emotions are bound to boil over, this is nothing new to the NHL either, even if the frequency of Clutterbuck's hit isn't by mere numbers the same amount. I also don't give a crap about enforcers or goons but there didn't really need to be the added media-like hyperbole of what Gillies' did. I don't think there was anyone who celebrated his hit nor the taunting. However, the physical nature of hockey is unfortunately sometimes going to produce people doing stupid s***, and they should be punished for it. Live, learn, move on. If the guy has no place in hockey let the NHL teams decide that.. especially, in this case, the Isles. Edited March 9, 2011 by Shoreline Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Gillies enforced, some people here don't like it. Big shocker there. esteef 1 ManLuv4Clears reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Gillies has no place in the league. Plays like 2 minutes a night and people want him out. Complete waste. "ENFORCING" or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Gillies enforced, some people here don't like it. Big shocker there. esteef What was Gillies enforcing when he assaulted Tangradi then taunted him while being looked at by a trainer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 What was Gillies enforcing when he assaulted Tangradi then taunted him while being looked at by a trainer? His ability to be completely disgraceful of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 What was Gillies enforcing when he assaulted Tangradi then taunted him while being looked at by a trainer? Something Tangradi said or did before? I wasn't on the ice so I can't help with your loaded question. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Something Tangradi said or did before? I wasn't on the ice so I can't help with your loaded question. esteef Are you suggesting that what Gillies did to Tangradi wasn't that bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Are you suggesting that what Gillies did to Tangradi wasn't that bad? No, I'm suggesting that no one knows why he went after him, including me. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Something Tangradi said or did before? I wasn't on the ice so I can't help with your loaded question. esteef Ah so something Tangradi said was worth what Gillies did? For the record Tangradi didn't do anything that game or previously to warrant such an attack (in fact very few players have done something to warrant that). And you completely ignored the point of my question, which wasn't just the why but what exactly his actions would enforce and how they are acceptable. The apologetics for someone simply because they are an "enforcer" is beyond disturbing. Edited March 9, 2011 by Doc Holliday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 No, I'm suggesting that no one knows why he went after him, including me. esteef Why does the reason matter? From everything I can gather, there was actually no reason at all, other than Gillies being a thug. But what if Tangradi actually "said" something to someone?? Should that warrant what happened? I don't even think Tangradi laid a clean hit on someone to warrant what happened to him. Gillies has no hockey skill whatsoever, he seems to just be on the ice to inflict pain on the opposition. I'm okay with that until you start going over the edge and doing things that injures players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Ah so something Tangradi said was worth what Gillies did? For the record Tangradi didn't do anything that game or previously to warrant such an attack (in fact very few players have done something to warrant that). And you completely ignored the point of my question, which wasn't just the why but what exactly his actions would enforce and how they are acceptable. The apologetics for someone simply because they are an "enforcer" is beyond disturbing. Maybe Tangradi was running his mouth from the bench and Gillies didn't like it. Maybe Tangradi tried to run someone. He damned sure did something cause Gillies was clearly pissed at him. Again, I don't know what he did, I wasn't there. Whatever he did, Gillies took exception and exacted his style of punishment. The villifying of every action from enforcers simply because they are enforcers is what's disturbing. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Maybe Tangradi was running his mouth from the bench and Gillies didn't like it. Maybe Tangradi tried to run someone. He damned sure did something cause Gillies was clearly pissed at him. Again, I don't know what he did, I wasn't there. Whatever he did, Gillies took exception and exacted his style of punishment. The villifying of every action from enforcers simply because they are enforcers is what's disturbing. esteef I vilify Gillies's actions because they deserve vilification. You are attempting to rationalize his actions based on "oh but Tangradi might have been running his mouth." Really? So you run your mouth and it is acceptable to assaulted with crosschecks, firsts, and then taunts as you are being helped by a trainer? What a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I vilify Gillies's actions because they deserve vilification. You are attempting to rationalize his actions based on "oh but Tangradi might have been running his mouth." Really? So you run your mouth and it is acceptable to assaulted with crosschecks, firsts, and then taunts as you are being helped by a trainer? What a joke. Your pussification of the game is a joke. Yes, if you run your mouth, especially to a fighter, they might just knock you the f*** out. This is a surprise to you? Gillies knows Tangradi won't drop 'em so he takes advantage on a hit. That's the way the league has made it. And players taunt all the damned time after hits, fights, whistles, etc. Also not a surprise. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 What was Gillies enforcing when he assaulted Tangradi then taunted him while being looked at by a trainer? I don't agree with how Gillies went about enforcing but you're logic here is flawed. Will Tangradi think twice before running anyone on the Isles next time they play? Yes. He had some big hits that game against the Isles young stars and Gillies 'enforced'. Therefore, if Tangradi plays differentely against the Isles than Gillies enforced very well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I vilify Gillies's actions because they deserve vilification. You are attempting to rationalize his actions based on "oh but Tangradi might have been running his mouth." Really? So you run your mouth and it is acceptable to assaulted with crosschecks, firsts, and then taunts as you are being helped by a trainer? What a joke. Or maybe Gillies was making this a case of "Im tired of all you pens and your bulls*** the league has to put up with, you wanna have your guys like Cooke or Talbot out there running guys then we'll try to get your young guys right back." Noone really knows what Gillies was saying but he might've been saying go thank your buddies Cooke and Maxime for that after he hit him. Was it dirty and definitely suspension worthy? Oh hell yeah, but I bet those pens wont pull ANY s*** against the Isles again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Your pussification of the game is a joke. Yes, if you run your mouth, especially to a fighter, they might just knock you the f*** out. This is a surprise to you? Gillies knows Tangradi won't drop 'em so he takes advantage on a hit. That's the way the league has made it. And players taunt all the damned time after hits, fights, whistles, etc. Also not a surprise. esteef I'm speechless.....almost...if you run your mouth, especially to a fighter, watch out because that fighter just might take action, giving you a head injury and potentially impacting your quality of life, for the rest of your life. Oh, and the fighter will be justified of course, because he's simply enforcing. Also, there's a differene between taunting someone across from you on the faceoff or on the bench and taunting someone who is lying on the ice with a head injury, getting help from a trainer. Tangradi has been out for over a month now and as far as I know, is not close to coming back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I'm speechless.....almost...if you run your mouth, especially to a fighter, watch out because that fighter just might take action, giving you a head injury and potentially impacting your quality of life, for the rest of your life. Oh, and the fighter will be justified of course, because he's simply enforcing. Also, there's a differene between taunting someone across from you on the faceoff or on the bench and taunting someone who is lying on the ice with a head injury, getting help from a trainer. Tangradi has been out for over a month now and as far as I know, is not close to coming back. See now you're making big assumptions as to if giving a head injury was Gillies "intent". Or was it simply to lay a smack down on a player against the boards and see who wants to do something about it. Cause that never happens right? Of course everyone knew Tangradi had a head injury at the time of the incident and he couldn't have possibly been laying down longer to draw a bigger penalty? Cause that never happens either right? I'm sure Gillies said to himself "I think I'll go cause a head injury" as he hit the ice that shift. Get real folks. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 See now you're making big assumptions as to if giving a head injury was Gillies "intent". Or was it simply to lay a smack down on a player against the boards and see who wants to do something about it. Cause that never happens right? Of course everyone knew Tangradi had a head injury at the time of the incident and he couldn't have possibly been laying down longer to draw a bigger penalty? Cause that never happens either right? I'm sure Gillies said to himself "I think I'll go cause a head injury" as he hit the ice that shift. Get real folks. esteef When you fly through the air and deliver an eblow to someone's head, what exactly is your intent? I think actions like that, whether you "intend" to cause a head injury or not is irrelvent. The league is trying to get rid of plays like that for good reason and if you do it, you'll get serious punishment. Also, it was pretty clear that Tangradi was out of it after the eblow and Gillies proceeded to throw punches at him....that was pretty bad too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Your pussification of the game is a joke. You know what? f*** off. Scott Stevens was one of my favorite non-wing players. I fought when I played the game. I enjoyed having the Grind Line and having fighters on the team. I would have enjoyed Probert too if I had been able to watch him play. Just because I don't think that the bulls*** Gillies pulled was good for the game doesn't mean its a "pussification of the game". It just means I understand there is a line. You obviously don't and don't really care as long as it is "rough and tumble" hockey. Yes, if you run your mouth, especially to a fighter, they might just knock you the f*** out. This is a surprise to you? Gillies knows Tangradi won't drop 'em so he takes advantage on a hit. That's the way the league has made it. And players taunt all the damned time after hits, fights, whistles, etc. Also not a surprise. Tangradi didn't run his mouth to anyone. There was no mention of it and there is no reason to think he did. Gillies is a goon, and a stupid one at at that, and took drastic steps to "enforce" that endangered the career of a young hockey player. He could have stood up to him and fought him straight up. He could have hit him with a clean, solid, devestating body check. But no, he crosschecked a player in the head, punched him while he was incapacitated, and then after being kicked out went on a taunting spree while he was helpless. You think that is good for the game? Go ahead, but don't bother discussing anything "enforcer" related to me in the future from now on if you are going to take that stance. Despite the fact he severely affected the career of a person who at worst "ran his mouth" But hey, it's "good rough hockey" right? Who cares who gets injured and how. 1 teebo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 You know what? f*** off. Scott Stevens was one of my favorite non-wing players. I fought when I played the game. I enjoyed having the Grind Line and having fighters on the team. I would have enjoyed Probert too if I had been able to watch him play. Just because I don't think that the bulls*** Gillies pulled was good for the game doesn't mean its a "pussification of the game". It just means I understand there is a line. You obviously don't and don't really care as long as it is "rough and tumble" hockey. Tangradi didn't run his mouth to anyone. There was no mention of it and there is no reason to think he did. Gillies is a goon, and a stupid one at at that, and took drastic steps to "enforce" that endangered the career of a young hockey player. He could have stood up to him and fought him straight up. He could have hit him with a clean, solid, devestating body check. But no, he crosschecked a player in the head, punched him while he was incapacitated, and then after being kicked out went on a taunting spree while he was helpless. You think that is good for the game? Go ahead, but don't bother discussing anything "enforcer" related to me in the future from now on if you are going to take that stance. Despite the fact he severely affected the career of a person who at worst "ran his mouth" But hey, it's "good rough hockey" right? Who cares who gets injured and how. He has 6 points in his whole career of pro hockey.. He needs to stay away from the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
