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[puckbags]

People like him do not belong in the game.

10 games.

I agree, pre meditated slow motion elbow to the head. I don't like Cooke and think his hits are brutal too but at least his seem to come more at full speed and are due to some split second cluster f*** decision that goes off in his head. Gilles is a slug and should be hit big for this.

[e_prime]

Oh, on whether the Clutterbuck hit was clean or not....who cares? That's a separate incicident, which should be treated separately.

Disclaimer: Playing devil's advocate here.

Gilles cares whether Clutterbuck's hit was clean/questionable or not...
That's why he's there... to "protect" young players (DiBenedetto - 22y/o - second game)

...and the incidents are mere moments apart.
They are tied together. Clutterbuck delivers a hit Gilles sees as questionable. He delivers his retaliation/protection.
He's just doing it wrong.

Edited by e_prime, 03 March 2011 - 11:11 AM.

[toby91_ca]

Disclaimer: Playing devil's advocate here.

Gilles cares whether Clutterbuck's hit was clean/questionable or not...
That's why he's there... to "protect" young players (DiBenedetto - 22y/o - second game)

...and the incidents are mere moments apart.
They are tied together. Clutterbuck delivers a hit Gilles sees as questionable. He delivers his retaliation/protection.
He's just doing it wrong.

I understand the reason, but I would certainly hope it has no bearing at all in length of suspension.

I'd prefer the response to be a nice clean body check that hurts, but I'd also accept him taking an instigator penatly and lay a beat down on the guy. To do what he did though, is just stupid and exactly what the league is trying to get rid of.

[WorkingOvertime]

I think Keith Jones on Versus called it right... Gilles is a real "meathead" who just doesn't "get it".

Milbury's comments were off base last night. He went into the stands to beat a fan with a shoe during his NHL career. Granted the NHL has progressed from incidents like this, but I don't see how he can call for Gillies to be out of the league when today Milbury would be banned from the league and likely wouldn't be employed by Versus. The game has progressed but I hate seeing ex-players calling for these long suspensions when they did much worse during their NHL careers.

I agree, pre meditated slow motion elbow to the head. I don't like Cooke and think his hits are brutal too but at least his seem to come more at full speed and are due to some split second cluster f*** decision that goes off in his head. Gilles is a slug and should be hit big for this.

Did you watch both videos? Gillies came in within seconds of Cal hitting an Isles player from behind. I would hardly call the incident premeditated. Dirty? Yes, but not premeditated.

[toby91_ca]

Milbury's comments were off base last night. He went into the stands to beat a fan with a shoe during his NHL career. Granted the NHL has progressed from incidents like this, but I don't see how he can call for Gillies to be out of the league when today Milbury would be banned from the league and likely wouldn't be employed by Versus. The game has progressed but I hate seeing ex-players calling for these long suspensions when they did much worse during their NHL careers.

That doesn't make sense to me. What a player did in their career as a player shouldn't result in any limitations on their ability to assess whehter a player's actionas are "okay" or not, or suspension worthy.

Also, when you are talking about hits to the head, the game has changed immensely, even over the past 10 years. Knowing what everyone now knows about head injuries, these types of hits are the most high profile now and ones that no one wants to be in the game. So, Mr. Hockey threw elbows all the time back in the day.....I'd have no problem with him not wanting to see players do it today.

It's almost like saying murderer can't suggest another murderer has done something wrong.

[WorkingOvertime]

Point taken. But when it's your first game back for concussing a guy by throwing a dirty elbow to the head (then yapping at him as he's down on the ice) and you do the same thing in your first game back, it sends a pretty clear signal you've not learned anything from your suspension.

I agree. It was a stupid play throughout. If the Isles player were seriously injured would we be having this discussion? The hit was certainly dirty but I think there are similar hits almost nightly in the NHL. There are a lot of players leaving their feet to hit high in many games. I think anything more than 5 games is unfair and based on Gillies' reputation more than the hit. Gillies is an old-school enforcer that gives retribution to the offending player. I think he went about it in the wrong way (again) but I can see his intention.

[e_prime]

I understand the reason, but I would certainly hope it has no bearing at all in length of suspension.

I'd prefer the response to be a nice clean body check that hurts, but I'd also accept him taking an instigator penatly and lay a beat down on the guy. To do what he did though, is just stupid and exactly what the league is trying to get rid of.

Like I said, devil's advocate.

You mean like this:



DiBenedetto gets hit AGAIN by Clutterbuck.
Konopka takes exception hits Clutterbuck.
Staubitz take exception and drops the mitts against Konopka.

[WorkingOvertime]

That doesn't make sense to me. What a player did in their career as a player shouldn't result in any limitations on their ability to assess whehter a player's actionas are "okay" or not, or suspension worthy.

Also, when you are talking about hits to the head, the game has changed immensely, even over the past 10 years. Knowing what everyone now knows about head injuries, these types of hits are the most high profile now and ones that no one wants to be in the game. So, Mr. Hockey threw elbows all the time back in the day.....I'd have no problem with him not wanting to see players do it today.

It's almost like saying murderer can't suggest another murderer has done something wrong.

Your comparison is off-base. If anything it is lime a reformed murderer calling for new murderers to get the maximum penalty.

As I said, it was a dirty play. Anyone can see that. However, calling for a player to be removed from the league for this incident is an overreaction. I expect Milbury to understand the intensity of the game more because of his incident. If Milbury says that he should have been removed from the league, I would have more respect for his comments.

I'll play the devils advocate here a bit. IMO hits from behind are as likely to cause injury as a hit like Gillies. If Gillies does this once to Cal and it causes Cal to not hit from behind anymore against the Isles (or other teams) does the game get cleaner? I like Cal a lot but this is the argument that many pro-enforcers give (personally I'm in the middle- we need players to police themselves and the league to punish).

[redwingfan19]

buttercup deserved it. he is a chicken s*** who runs around and hides behind his shield and gets others to do his dirty work.

Edited by redwingfan19, 03 March 2011 - 11:41 AM.

[Gizmo]

That doesn't make sense to me. What a player did in their career as a player shouldn't result in any limitations on their ability to assess whehter a player's actionas are "okay" or not, or suspension worthy.

Sorry if I mis-attributed the quote to Jones.... but in addition to the counterpoint made by toby91_ca, your point might have been more valid if Milbury had likewise marched back into the stands his first game back from whatever punishment was meted out to him. That was Milbury's primary point... It takes a special kind of idiot to come back from a lengthy suspension and pull an instant repeat!

Edited by Gizmo, 03 March 2011 - 12:51 PM.

[puckbags]

Did you watch both videos? Gillies came in within seconds of Cal hitting an Isles player from behind. I would hardly call the incident premeditated. Dirty? Yes, but not premeditated.

Gilles whole game is pre meditated, he only knows how to do one thing and that's be a goon. The funny thing is that the box score has Gilles for 5 for hitting from behind?

buttercup deserved it. he is a chicken s*** who runs around and hides behind his shield and gets others to do his dirty work.

Clusterf*** is a tool and plays on the edge to say it nicely but to say that a guy deserves an elbow to the head is the exact mentality that is leading to all these concussions and dirty hits.

[Shoreline]

Obviously Gillies commits this hit because of Clutterbuck's board, hit from behind, whatever you wanna try and call it, interpreted from him on the ice. It's clear he didn't like Clutterbuck's hit. Yeah, obviously the hit is not acceptable, yeah, he's gonna be suspended. However, look at the on-ice culture of retaliation for hits, dirty or clean. Look at the lack of respect displayed on the ice for opponents, especially those who do not play dirty, or simply make clean hits yet take punches to the face or stuff like this. The NHL levies discipline by technicality but really players learn by other players on the ice. Throwing another suspension at Gillies is not going to help the bigger picture. That and I don't think Milbury is much in a position to try and start psycho-analyzing anyone else with the issues he has.

[HankthaTank]

Prime example this year.... Also where has this Kronner been?

[esteef]

Gillies is an old-school enforcer that gives retribution to the offending player. I think he went about it in the wrong way (again) but I can see his intention.

My thoughts exactly. If there was no instigator rule, Gillies would've likely grabbed Clutterbuck and whooped his ass, instead he delivers a quick (and cheap) hit and hopes to get away with it. Oh well...

Sign him Kenny!

esteef

Edited by esteef, 03 March 2011 - 12:21 PM.

[henrik40]

Prime example this year.... Also where has this Kronner been?

What a beauty of a hit.

[afireinside]

My thoughts exactly. If there was no instigator rule, Gillies would've likely grabbed Clutterbuck and whooped his ass, instead he delivers a quick (and cheap) hit and hopes to get away with it. Oh well...

Sign him Kenny!

esteef

New to posting here, nice to meet all of you.

I agree, instigator rule or not, that is one of the times where if you are going to retaliate he should drop the gloves and square up with him. I mean look at how people like Probert, Kocur and McCarty gave retribution. There is a correct way and a wrong / gutless way (in my opinion) and he chose the wrong one. No room in the NHL for goons like this. I do believe that at some point in his career he will get what is coming to him if he continues to play like this.

[MotorCityMadness]

I actually agreed for a change with what Milbury said on versus regarding this...gotta get guys like this out of hockey

[uk_redwing]

Funny how that Minny video fails to show Clutterbuck's hit from seconds before...

Clutterbucks hit was worse than Gillies. Only difference is Clutterbuck is one of those players that dishes out the cheap hits but when it happens to him he drops like a lemon.

Gillies did what any player sticking up for a rookie who was hit from behind in his 2nd ever NHL game would do.

[toby91_ca]

Clutterbucks hit was worse than Gillies. Only difference is Clutterbuck is one of those players that dishes out the cheap hits but when it happens to him he drops like a lemon.

Gillies did what any player sticking up for a rookie who was hit from behind in his 2nd ever NHL game would do.

Wow! I'm not even sure what to say, but I'll try. I'd call a boarding penalty on Clutterbuck, but the hit wasn't that bad at all. The Isles player was skating up the ice when Clutterbuck committed to the hit and then the Isles player lost control of the puck, looked down and turned towards the boards. Clutterbuck even looks to let up on the hit. You have to blame Clutterbuck here, but those are tough hits to avoid at times and happen on the time.

I highly doubt any player sticking up for a rookie woudl decide the best course of action would be to jump into the guy, with elbows up and drive the guy's head into the glass.

Gillies will get extra time because he's a repeat offender and because he was literally 2 minutes into coming back from a 9 game suspension for the same thing, but if a guy like Lidstrom did the same thing, he'd get suspended too. However, that's a mute point because we all know that Lidstrom would never do that.

[RusDRW]

Clutterbuck hits clean, so I'm not sure were your going with this.

Clean? What do you mean with that? Those multiple steps at the full speed towards his potential victims, right? I'm really glad there are only few such hitters in the NHL...