Zion 93 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 If the playoff run is short this year, then not re-signing Modano and getting more Boll-type players MUST take priority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 He really doesn't log many quality minutes, most of the quality minutes are logged by the first two lines, so him being +12 doesn't mean too much. Bulls***. Abby logs a lot minutes on the PK. So it means something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 He really doesn't log many quality minutes, most of the quality minutes are logged by the first two lines, so him being +12 doesn't mean too much. Where's the logic here? Abby has been on the ice for 12 more goals for than goals against. He regularly plays 11+ minutes (recently) and has been on the third line the past few games. Why do 'quality minuetes' matter? If that were the case, how terrible are the other third and fourth liners with a lower plus/minus? The bottom two lines having been playing really well lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 Bulls***. Abby logs a lot minutes on the PK. So it means something... Quality minutes are 5 on 5 minutes against other teams top two lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 Quality minutes are 5 on 5 minutes against other teams top two lines. So we can't comment on the stats of any forwards not in the Wings' top-6 because they aren't usually out against the other team's top-2 lines? I'm still not seeing your point. If Abby (or the Wings' bottom two lines) was so terrible defensively, wouldn't other teams match their top lines against him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 Quality minutes are 5 on 5 minutes against other teams top two lines. Dunno about quality minutes. It's called more ice time. And Abby's plus 12 means something especially if he's on the kill a lot of the time. Sorry... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 It's pretty sad that Erat and Legwand were acting tough and no one stood up against them. I mean, we don't exactly need an enforcer to handle those guys. I remember reading something on LGW about Babcock or Holland encouraging Abby to play tougher and fight occasionally. I don't remember if it was an article or just a few posters saying that it happened. Maybe if Abby could do something useful and valuable. Jeez, he gets targeted in the head twice and doesn't seem to care. That was just ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 Maybe if Abby could do something useful and valuable. Jeez, he gets targeted in the head twice and doesn't seem to care. That was just ridiculous. 3 point in his last five games, and a +12 rating- what more do you want? Are you thinking of Eaves or Abby? I saw Abby hit a few times, but Eaves was punched in the back of the head at least three times by Franson within one shift. I don't know why everyone on here rags on Abby for not fighting when Eaves, Miller, E, Bert, etc can all fight. Would I like to see Abby fight more? Yes, but Holland or Babcock has never anointed him the Wings' enforcer and he has never expressed an interest in being the Wings' enforcer. Therefore, don't expect it to happen. 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 3 point in his last five games, and a +12 rating- what more do you want? Are you thinking of Eaves or Abby? I saw Abby hit a few times, but Eaves was punched in the back of the head at least three times by Franson within one shift. I don't know why everyone on here rags on Abby for not fighting when Eaves, Miller, E, Bert, etc can all fight. Would I like to see Abby fight more? Yes, but Holland or Babcock has never anointed him the Wings' enforcer and he has never expressed an interest in being the Wings' enforcer. Therefore, don't expect it to happen. I dont expect Abby to fight until someone on the team has his back. Last year he raised quite a bit of hell learning from Brad May who always had the teams back. If Abby gets someone on his line who can actually fight 10 times a season, youll see Abby playing way more physical and mixing it up which is when he is at his best. Kinda like Maltby when he had Mac or Kocur on his line. He will be like a Dallas Drake, hits hard and will fight a bit but should not be the most willing fighter on the team and should have someone capable of having his back. Its hard to be tough against guys like Shea Weber when even softies like Erat and Legwand are willing to try and take your head off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 I dont expect Abby to fight until someone on the team has his back. Last year he raised quite a bit of hell learning from Brad May who always had the teams back. If Abby gets someone on his line who can actually fight 10 times a season, youll see Abby playing way more physical and mixing it up which is when he is at his best. Kinda like Maltby when he had Mac or Kocur on his line. He will be like a Dallas Drake, hits hard and will fight a bit but should not be the most willing fighter on the team and should have someone capable of having his back. Its hard to be tough against guys like Shea Weber when even softies like Erat and Legwand are willing to try and take your head off. I agree (as usual). It gets to me that everyone thinks Abby is an enforcer when you and I know Abby is much more like Clutterbuck and Drake than Orr and Boogard. Eaves, E, and Bert are just as capable of standing up for the team, but somehow it is Abby's fault when the team gets pushed around. To set the record straight, he is a quote from Abby about the boxing lessons, "If you're going to fight, you've got to know how to fight. I'm not going to go around looking for it, but if it's going to happen, you've got to prepare yourself for it." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 3 point in his last five games, and a +12 rating- what more do you want? Lidstrom is a +1. Rafalski is a +14. What do you expect to learn from +/- by itself? And hey, I would like the player who people around here anoint as one of the tougher players on the team to act like it. Are you thinking of Eaves or Abby? I saw Abby hit a few times, but Eaves was punched in the back of the head at least three times by Franson within one shift. I don't know why everyone on here rags on Abby for not fighting when Eaves, Miller, E, Bert, etc can all fight. Would I like to see Abby fight more? Yes, but Holland or Babcock has never anointed him the Wings' enforcer and he has never expressed an interest in being the Wings' enforcer. Therefore, don't expect it to happen. This thread isn't about Eaves. Don't deflect. If Abdelkader is going to get praise for taking boxing lessons in the offseason, maybe he should do something with that skill. Also you don't have to be the enforcer to fight other players. When it comes to Abdelkader specifically, I would think he would try to give hell to the opposition if he was getting stepped on. He didn't do that last night. 2 Detroit \# 1 Fan and mjlegend reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 20, 2011 Lidstrom is a +1. Rafalski is a +14. What do you expect to learn from +/- by itself? And hey, I would like the player who people around here anoint as one of the tougher players on the team to act like it. This thread isn't about Eaves. Don't deflect. If Abdelkader is going to get praise for taking boxing lessons in the offseason, maybe he should do something with that skill. Also you don't have to be the enforcer to fight other players. When it comes to Abdelkader specifically, I would think he would try to give hell to the opposition if he was getting stepped on. He didn't do that last night. Is plus/minus the definitive stat? Absolutely not, but it is a good measure for a third/fourth liner whose main objective is to play solid, defensive hockey. Abby has always been a big hitter who will back up his play when challenged. He has 153 hits on the season, which is 29 more than the second biggest DRW hitter with only 64 gp. Because people on LGW have anointed him the toughest player doesn't mean he will be. I'd like to anoint Dats to be 100+ point player every year, but I'm not going to ***** when he doesn't score each game. The bowing lessons have been taken so out of context on this forum. He stated that he wouldn't go looking for fights. If you ask Eaves (or anyone else on the team), I bet he would say the same thing. Bringing up Eaves isn't deflecting. Abby has one more NHL fight than Eaves (equal if you don't include preseason). Abby is a hitter, and therefore I expect him to take hits and not fight afterward unless they are blatantly dirty. Eaves was repeatedly punched in the back of the head- I don't know about you, but I'd be more likely to fight after being punched than questionably hit. Would I like to see Abby fight more? Absolutely. Do I expect Abby to fight more? Probably. Do I think Abby should be expected to fight while other players shouldn't? No. If you're going to expect Abby to fight, I see no reason why you shouldn't also expect E, Bert, or Eaves to fight. 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) About ******* time! That was nice. Still skeptical about the boxing lessons, though. Edited March 27, 2011 by GMRwings1983 1 hockeychik25 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 About ******* time! That was nice. Still skeptical about the boxing lessons, though. I think Boxing lessons can only help power, not actual form. NHL fights are a lot different in technique than boxing fights. Either way, good on him for defending Rafalski. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 I think Boxing lessons can only help power, not actual form. NHL fights are a lot different in technique than boxing fights. Either way, good on him for defending Rafalski. I know. Balancing on skates is a different animal. That's why Parros fights so poorly despite being a pretty big and powerful guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 I know. Balancing on skates is a different animal. That's why Parros fights so poorly despite being a pretty big and powerful guy. Abby's balance has improved a lot since last year. His technique still needs some work, but that is more of an experience thing. Good to see him ditch the lid tonight too. Hopefully he can build on his awesome game against Vancouver and the fight tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Abby's balance has improved a lot since last year. His technique still needs some work, but that is more of an experience thing. Good to see him ditch the lid tonight too. Hopefully he can build on his awesome game against Vancouver and the fight tonight. Hes been noticeably better since being put back on the wing. Decent scrap with a guy with some experience and did it at the right time not getting the extra 2. Played physical all game too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Funnily enough Darryl Boyce had a fight against Tomas Tatar of all people earlier in the season in the AHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Funnily enough Darryl Boyce had a fight against Tomas Tatar of all people earlier in the season in the AHL. Funny, it seems Tatar can handle himself better than Abdelkader. This guy is not a fighter. Terrible form tonight against a liteweight Boyce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) Funny, it seems Tatar can handle himself better than Abdelkader. This guy is not a fighter. Terrible form tonight against a liteweight Boyce. Boyce is far froma lightweight, hes actually a really experienced fighter. I'm not sure if youre just making something up to try to prove a point or youre just not actually aware of what kind of player Boyce is? Has a 10 fight season in the OHL and several other seasons right around that mark. Abdelkader fought him to a draw and he is continually showing improvement in his style. Give him a year or 2 and he'll be a respectable middleweight EDIT Boyce has fights with guys like Hendricks, Tardif and Dowell all who are at teh very least good middleweights, hendricks is a smaller heavyweight though. He is FAR from alightweight Edited March 27, 2011 by newfy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Boyce is far froma lightweight, hes actually a really experienced fighter. I'm not sure if youre just making something up to try to prove a point or youre just not actually aware of what kind of player Boyce is? Has a 10 fight season in the OHL and several other seasons right around that mark. Abdelkader fought him to a draw and he is continually showing improvement in his style. Give him a year or 2 and he'll be a respectable middleweight EDIT Boyce has fights with guys like Hendricks, Tardif and Dowell all who are at teh very least good middleweights, hendricks is a smaller heavyweight though. He is FAR from alightweight What he said. If you watch the fan video of Tatar's fight, you'll see the Boyce controlled until he and Tatar got off balance. Boyce threw a lot of body shots, possibly because Tatar didn't ditch his lid. Not to take anything from Tatar, because he certainly impressed in fighting a larger Boyce, but Abby did better in his fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Nice to see Abby sniff his potential over the past couple games. Supposed to be a top power forward on this team. i liked seeing him step up to fight for a fallen teammate. really good to see with the playoffs just weeks away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Boyce is far froma lightweight, hes actually a really experienced fighter. I'm not sure if youre just making something up to try to prove a point or youre just not actually aware of what kind of player Boyce is? Has a 10 fight season in the OHL and several other seasons right around that mark. Abdelkader fought him to a draw and he is continually showing improvement in his style. Give him a year or 2 and he'll be a respectable middleweight EDIT Boyce has fights with guys like Hendricks, Tardif and Dowell all who are at teh very least good middleweights, hendricks is a smaller heavyweight though. He is FAR from alightweight You're right, I had no idea who Boyce was. I thought he looked much smaller than Abdelkader. I watch the Leafs quite a bit and have never seen him fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 You're right, I had no idea who Boyce was. I thought he looked much smaller than Abdelkader. I watch the Leafs quite a bit and have never seen him fight. Yeah he looks smaller to me as well but hes listed a 6 feet so thats pretty close, and yeah I watch the leafs a tonne, I go to uni in leafs nation but that was Boyce's first pro fight just in the minors and juniors he is easily considered a scrapper and I would say Abby more then held his own once again. His fighting skills are coming around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Have to agree that even though I've always felt Abdelkader is an awful fighter, he looked alot better there. He's looking a little better with each fight. It's all about experience. The more he fights the better he'll get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
