Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 This one deserves its own thread. That might be the most frightening thing I've ever seen in hockey aside from Clint Marlachuk. Unfortunately with Colin Campbell at the helm, I'd expect no discipline for Chara, using BS reasoning that it was an unfortunate accident. 1 commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I think Chara and Pacioretty's history is pretty mild at best. Chara took exception to a slight bump at the end of a heated game and it sparks a melee... Chara's not an exceptionally dirty player who's going to risk suspension to avenge a bump. He's received the only disciple that he'll get. 5 minutes and game misconduct. Which is appropriate for the hit. Stop looking for excitement that isn't here in this game. Are they rollovers or are they just loading up extra hard tonight? I've never experienced them as badly as this evening. History aside, it looked like intent to injure. Obviously if he was just going to rub him against the boards and Pacs hit the stantion, then I'd think other wise, but Chara made sure he actually threw Pacs into the stantion. Just look at the replay, you can clearly see him throw him into it. You don't need to be a dirty player to let your emotions get the best of you. look at Bertuzzi, he was never a dirty player and just that one incident will forever label him as a dirty player when we all know he isn't. Hell, even LePuke wasn't a dirty player, but that one incident he lost his brain and smushed Draper. Players can have a relatively clean career and still do something dirty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I think by the replay, it's pretty obvious that Chara knew what he was doing. 1 commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) History aside, it looked like intent to injure. Obviously if he was just going to rub him against the boards and Pacs hit the stantion, then I'd think other wise, but Chara made sure he actually threw Pacs into the stantion. Just look at the replay, you can clearly see him throw him into it. You don't need to be a dirty player to let your emotions get the best of you. look at Bertuzzi, he was never a dirty player and just that one incident will forever label him as a dirty player when we all know he isn't. Hell, even LePuke wasn't a dirty player, but that one incident he lost his brain and smushed Draper. Players can have a relatively clean career and still do something dirty. Not that I don't appreciate A LOT of the video work that you do but, not that you've even broken this hit down, if you look at video hard enough, you can see whatever you want to see out of it. The game is played in a speed faster than replay, screenshots, and slow-motion... There are certainly a lot of players out there that deliberately make bad decisions or premeditated actions on the ice that lead to injury. Other players also make split second decisions that involve injury whether there is intent or not. As I said in the previous thread, I think Chara's received all the punishment he'll get. 5 minutes for interference. Game Misconduct. I'll leave it at that... Except to disagree and say that Claude was a terribly dirty player... although just like Chara's hit tonight, I'm not sure he meant to rub Draper out into the boards like that. Edited March 9, 2011 by e_prime 7 Uncle Danny, Dano33, ChelisChick and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 That was s***ty, suspension should be handed out without a doubt. 1 commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Decided to pop over to the Bruins board. Some members actually praising the hit and getting angry that there was even a penalty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 this looked like interference and no more... i know this wont be a particularly popular opinion. this play happens once a year and everyone mentions how dumb the rink design is and then nothing gets done. another link to the video since that ones gone..... 6 Nightfall, asoras, haroldsnepsts and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WizardOfOz30 1,886 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 That was a terrible hit. Did he even wake up while he was out there? Chara knew where he was hitting him being by the bench like that. I understand there was momentum going with both of them but the way his head hit stantion was scary. My first thought was I hope he didn't break his neck they way he hit. 1 commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) Not that I don't appreciate A LOT of the video work that you do but, not that you've even broken this hit down, if you look at video hard enough, you can see whatever you want to see out of it. The game is played in a speed faster than replay, screenshots, and slow-motion... There are certainly a lot of players out there that deliberately make bad decisions or premeditated actions on the ice that lead to injury. Other players also make split second decisions that involve injury whether there is intent or not. As I said in the previous thread, I think Chara's received all the punishment he'll get. 5 minutes for interference. Game Misconduct. I'll leave it at that... Except to disagree and say that Claude was a terribly dirty player... although just like Chara's hit tonight, I'm not sure he meant to rub Draper out into the boards like that. this looked like interference and no more... i know this wont be a particularly popular opinion. this play happens once a year and everyone mentions how dumb the rink design is and then nothing gets done. another link to the video since that ones gone..... Agreed. When people talk about being able to tell he intentionally threw him into the stantion, I don't know quite what to say. He was trying to hit the guy, of course he's going to shove him. I really hope Pacioretty is okay, but this was a pretty common hockey hit in a really unlucky part of the rink. And for the record, I f-ing hate Chara. But if not for the injury, he probably doesn't even get a penalty, maybe 2 for interference. And off topic, but Turtle was absolutely a dirty player, even before the Draper incident. Edited March 9, 2011 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clearlybetter11 18 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I'm so sick of the argument of whether said player is a dirty player or not every time this kind of stuff happens. It should not matter whether Chara is a dirty player or if it is his "style", a dirty play is a dirty play and should be treated as one even if the accused player is a clean player. You Can't go and murder someone and then say oh yeah but it's not my style I've never done it before and get off the hook. 2 esteef and commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Agreed. When people talk about being able to tell he intentionally threw him into the stantion, I don't know quite what to say. He was trying to hit the guy, of course he's going to shove him. I really hope Pacioretty is okay, but this was a pretty common hockey hit in a really unlucky part of the rink. And for the record, I f-ing hate Chara. But if not for the injury, he probably doesn't even get a penalty, maybe 2 for interference. And off topic, but Turtle was absolutely a dirty player, even before the Draper incident. He was against the boards, he could have just rubbed him off, but as soon as the stantion came up he literally shoved him into it. Chara is not a dirty player, but clean players have been known to have mental lapses. But this thread is going to go the same way as all dirty hit threads go, pro enforcers don't see anything wrong, anti-enforcer see's the world falling down and then the general masses see it as dirty (the poll on HFboards is 60% to 40% calling for a suspension). 1 commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest L3T5G0W1NG5 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) I don't think Chara meant to do that; it's just an unlucky situation. No suspension should be given. Edited March 9, 2011 by L3T5G0W1NG5 3 asoras, ChelisChick and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 As ugly as that hit was, it was more carelessness then an intent to injure. 3 Z Winged Dangler, commadore183 and ChelisChick reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I don't think Chara meant to do that; it's just an unlucky situation. No suspension should be given. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blaayze 25 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I'm sorry, but Chara needs a heavy suspension for that bulls***. He looks up to see where he was on the rink and sees the stanchion and throws him into it. It's bulls*** and uncalled for. I hope to god Pac's ok. That was horrific. 3 commadore183, esteef and zata40 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I agree with what a couple of people are saying on here that it's a stupid design of the rink.. It's no more than 2 minutes IMO, there's no way he get's any suspension here. I hope that Pacioretty is ok though 2 Z Winged Dangler and ChelisChick reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Not sure I agree. Chara knew the stantion was there. The replays show that Chara appears to drive him towards it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 The league can fine tune the rulebook and tweak the rink designs over and over and you're still going to see players getting severely injured on borderline plays. In the end it comes down to respecting each other and hitting to make an effective play, not to injure somebody. Its a shame that so few players practice this philosophy. 2 Frozen-Man and commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I think by the replay, it's pretty obvious that Chara knew what he was doing. Yep. I don't see how Chara could explain this away. It's not like he couldn't see the stantion the entire time. He obviously knows what's at the end of the bench (hockey rinks aren't exactly a mystery). But hey-- Colin Campbell's clearly established that heavy suspension are only for scrubs. I'd be surprised if Chara gets more than 1 game. 1 commadore183 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) It's obviously debatable, but I think 5 and a game is fair discipline. I think the reason behind the game misconduct was to just get him outta the game so they wouldn't have a scrum after every whistle with Habs going after Chara. I don't think any suspension is necessary here. Chara doesn't have a history of cheapshots and dirty hits. Was it ugly? Yes. Was it an obvious cheapshot? Not in my eyes. If anything, it was late. Then again, I can't imagine Chara had no clue where he was on the ice. Edited March 9, 2011 by Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Yep. I don't see how Chara could explain this away. It's not like he couldn't see the stantion the entire time. He obviously knows what's at the end of the bench (hockey rinks aren't exactly a mystery). But hey-- Colin Campbell's clearly established that heavy suspension are only for scrubs. I'd be surprised if Chara gets more than 1 game. Not to mention that they have a history. This could be wishful thinking, but will Campbell even be involved with this considering that it's the team his son plays on? Or is he prohibited in ruling on situations that only directly involve his son? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I take it back, I'm the first to crucify players for bad hits, but earlier on VS they showed it from above, and it wasn't near as bad as I once thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 I take it back, I'm the first to crucify players for bad hits, but earlier on VS they showed it from above, and it wasn't near as bad as I once thought. Youtube or it didn't happen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Not sure I agree. Chara knew the stantion was there. The replays show that Chara appears to drive him towards it. I agree. I hope the guy is okay that was nasty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted March 9, 2011 Those of you saying that Chara knew he was hitting him into the stantion are crazy. At the pace this game is played, Chara was simply trying to not allow Pacioretty to get by him and grab the puck. This was not a dirty hit. Interference maybe, but Chara certainly did not plan for this to happen. I remember my days playing hockey, I hit someone the exact same way. It was not on purpose, I had no idea the stantion was there, but it was one of the biggest hits of my hockey career *The kid I hit was not injured 2 F.Michael and stevkrause reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites