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[dirtydangles]

not another fil debate. not everyone can be zetterberg or datsyuk. fil brings things to this team, and I think he is a valuable player. so is franzen. it would be an understatement to say that they are different players. bottom line is he is going through a bit of a dry spell, i don't see him going anywhere else in the near future.

[hooon]

His on-ice plays has been at the level of incompetent.

[gcom007]

So much good stuff in here...

Flip's a good player, but he's streaky. Always has been, probably always will be. If people would get over the idea of him being more than a descent 40 point scorer (and if he made less money...), there'd be no point in calling him out at all. He's a great defensive forward and I'd be fine with keeping him in the fold when this contract is complete for around $2 million.

But, again, he's streaky. This is absolutely nothing new. He had a hot streak. Now he's on one of his patented cold streaks.

It's the same thing every year.

Just like his fan club trying to suggest that there's more evidence to support the idea of him being a 70 point 1st liner than there is of him being a streaky, 40 point 2nd-3rd liner...

[miksteri]

Flip steps up in the playoffs, so Wings should keep him.

[HankthaTank]

If Filppula was ever given a legit chance in the top six with competent teammates (read: not Bertuzzi and Franzen) for an entire season, he would break 70, guaranteed.

Yet Hank posted his biggest amount of points during the time he was on the line with these 2 floater mcgees. Interesting logic here. I also think people need to back off Flipper, whipping boys are all the rage here I understand but this guy is not someone to look at. On a sidenote it would appear we probably should have traded Huds when he was on the line with Clears and Pav. He is gone again

[uk_redwing]

Call up his brother.

[Finnish Wing]

Wait. Is that Dan Carcillo?

Call up his brother.

”I don't see him playing permanently for the Detroit Red Wings”, says GM of the organization Ken Holland in an interview with Urheilulehti (10/2011).

Edited by Finnish Wing, 14 March 2011 - 09:01 AM.

[eva unit zero]

So what do you have to say about all the stretches of games where he DID score at/around a 70 point pace? The 15 points in 16 games he just had. 6 points in 7 games to start the season. 7 points in 7 games of the first round of the playoffs last year. 16 points in 20 games/28 points in 30 games last season after his injury? And the bulk of that was playing with third/fourth liners (and even on the third line himself), by the way.

If you want to argue that he isn't capable of sustaining the pace over an entire season, fine. But saying that when he is playing well, that he is just a third line player is just ridiculous, and counts out your entire opinion.

Filppula is a decent offensive player who needs to be playing with players as good or better than himself to have any kind of performance offensively. This has been shown again and again. If Filppula is put in a role where he has to carry the line offensively, he doesn't produce.

Filppula has the potential and the talent to play on the first line and put up a 70 point pace, maybe more. I find that undeniable. I don't see an argument there. The proof is there, just watch the games. The only argument that anyone can make is that he isn't consistent. The only argument anyone can make is that while he may be able to play like a star for a stretch of games, he will disappear for another stretch of games.

I would disagree, but it's a legit argument. Sure, he has his off games like anyone else, but generally I find him one of the most consistent players, game in game out. He goes stretches without any point, but I think it's because of other reasons than Filppula's consistency. For example the past 11 games he was injured and demoted to less playing time with third liners. It's not like he was playing with the same teammates for the past 11 games.

Filppula has been getting second line ice time all season, and his average per-game is 5th on the team in ES ice time (about 14 minutes, Hank and Dats play 15 1/2) and 4th in overall (almost 17 minutes, Hank and Dats play 19 1/2). If that's "less" ice time, what would you say he should be playing? On par with two of the top five forwards in the world? Sorry, he will never, EVER be that good.

Filppula is turning out as a very good defensive center with offensive capability, and his offensive capability may be topping out. He's not a Hudler, who can get hot for a long stretch and play 100+ point hockey, but he's not Dougie Brown either.

Inconceiveable!!

Edited by eva unit zero, 14 March 2011 - 09:56 AM.

[mmamolo]

He's not a Hudler, who can get hot for a long stretch and play 100+ point hockey, but he's not Dougie Brown either.

Here comes a barrage of pretzels...

[HankthaTank]

He's not a Hudler, who can get hot for a long stretch and play 100+ point hockey

You are, if anything, consistently on Hudler's nutsack. Funny stuff.

[ogreslayer]

”I don't see him playing permanently for the Detroit Red Wings”, says GM of the organization Ken Holland in an interview with Urheilulehti (10/2011).

I knew Holland was good but to actually be able to give quotes....FROM THE FUTURE!!!! The man continues to amaze!

[Z and D for the C]

Filppula has been getting second line ice time all season, and his average per-game is 5th on the team in ES ice time (about 14 minutes, Hank and Dats play 15 1/2) and 4th in overall (almost 17 minutes, Hank and Dats play 19 1/2). If that's "less" ice time, what would you say he should be playing? On par with two of the top five forwards in the world? Sorry, he will never, EVER be that good.

Thank you for purposefully ignoring what I've said that answers your question. Oh, and reality too.

After Filppula had 15 points in 16 games he was demoted down to the third line. Coincidentally (or not) when his "cold streak" started.

And let me say again that Filppula had 16 points in 20 games playing with worse players when our team was full of injuries.

[Finnish Wing]

I knew Holland was good but to actually be able to give quotes....FROM THE FUTURE!!!! The man continues to amaze!

It's the number of the magazine. It means weeks.

[eva unit zero]

You are, if anything, consistently on Hudler's nutsack. Funny stuff.

For the 11 games Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary were together, Hudler led the line in scoring, scored at a 100-point pace, and created a good portion of the goals. And he was playing second line ice time while he did it.

It's not the first time Hudler has been that hot offensively over 10+ games, either. From Oct. 18th to Nov 22nd of 2008-09 Hudler scored at a 100+ point pace while playing third line ice time.

If Hudler was given consistent time on a scoring line with top-six players, he'd be scoring a point per game every season. For those of you all set to say "He stopped scoring once he was separated from Datsyuk" he had been scoring at nearly a point per game for 20 games before Dats came back, and since he has been separated from Dats he's been playing on the fourth line. Even though he scored at least one point in 9 of the 11 games with Dats.

In other words, what I said was a fact. Hudler has shown he is capable of being a high-end offensive player; Filppula has yet to show that.

[SouthernWingsFan]

For the 11 games Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary were together, Hudler led the line in scoring, scored at a 100-point pace, and created a good portion of the goals. And he was playing second line ice time while he did it.

It's not the first time Hudler has been that hot offensively over 10+ games, either. From Oct. 18th to Nov 22nd of 2008-09 Hudler scored at a 100+ point pace while playing third line ice time.

If Hudler was given consistent time on a scoring line with top-six players, he'd be scoring a point per game every season. For those of you all set to say "He stopped scoring once he was separated from Datsyuk" he had been scoring at nearly a point per game for 20 games before Dats came back, and since he has been separated from Dats he's been playing on the fourth line. Even though he scored at least one point in 9 of the 11 games with Dats.

In other words, what I said was a fact. Hudler has shown he is capable of being a high-end offensive player; Filppula has yet to show that.

That still doesn't change the PERCEPTION (and you can pretty much put this as truth as well) that you ride Hudler's coattails in an absurd fashion, bringing him in on just about anything imaginable even when the subject manner doesn't need to include him. You can throw all the stats and numbers all you want at people, but that doesn't change the PERCEPTION and why you get ragged on constantly on here, fair or not.

[ogreslayer]

It's the number of the magazine. It means weeks.

Don't care. I'm going to keep pretending it was Future Kenny standing next to a souped up DeLorean looking a little bit like Doc Brown who gave that quote.

[Mabuhay Red Wings]

”I don't see him playing permanently for the Detroit Red Wings”, says GM of the organization Ken Holland in an interview with Urheilulehti (10/2011).

Kenny really said that? I don't know. I'm pretty skeptical of that one. And even if he did, are we sure he didn't mean this season?

[darkmanx]

For the 11 games Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary were together, Hudler led the line in scoring, scored at a 100-point pace, and created a good portion of the goals. And he was playing second line ice time while he did it.

It's not the first time Hudler has been that hot offensively over 10+ games, either. From Oct. 18th to Nov 22nd of 2008-09 Hudler scored at a 100+ point pace while playing third line ice time.

If Hudler was given consistent time on a scoring line with top-six players, he'd be scoring a point per game every season. For those of you all set to say "He stopped scoring once he was separated from Datsyuk" he had been scoring at nearly a point per game for 20 games before Dats came back, and since he has been separated from Dats he's been playing on the fourth line. Even though he scored at least one point in 9 of the 11 games with Dats.

In other words, what I said was a fact. Hudler has shown he is capable of being a high-end offensive player; Filppula has yet to show that.

someone hasn't been watching the games...

[Finnish Wing]

Kenny really said that? I don't know. I'm pretty skeptical of that one. And even if he did, are we sure he didn't mean this season?

No need to be skeptical. This is no afternoon trash magazine. It's a sport magazine and the Finnish interviewer was at Joe Louis doing this interview. Also, my translation isn't that bad, I think.

[Mabuhay Red Wings]

No need to be skeptical. This is no afternoon trash magazine. It's a sport magazine and the Finnish interviewer was at Joe Louis doing this interview. Also, my translation isn't that bad, I think.

If it's true, then I'm just surprised Kenny said it like, "I don't see him playing permanently for the Detroit Red Wings." I've never heard Kenny completely strip all hope like that. Usually the guys in Wings management say, "Maybe he'll surprise us" or "He'll have to work on his skating" or something in that manner. If anything, I suspect he meant specifically this year, as in 2010-2011, Ilari wouldn't be a regular in the Wings lineup.