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#21 redwingfan19

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:37 PM

1. Bettman Retires
2. Don Cherry becomes commissioner
3. All euros banned from NHL
4. Instigator rule removed
5. Joke teams/markets go back to Hartford,Quebec, Winnipeg, etc.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:41 PM

1. Bettman Retires
2. Don Cherry becomes commissioner
3. All euros banned from NHL
4. Instigator rule removed
5. Joke teams/markets go back to Hartford,Quebec, Winnipeg, etc.


6. Detroit Red Wings Fold.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:44 PM

6. Detroit Red Wings Fold.


I actually lol'd
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:49 PM

how about players keep their head up?


in all seriousness if they start punishing north south hits to the head i will no longer watch the nhl. the only one to blame for a north south hit to the head is the player with the puck.

Edited by wings1110, 14 March 2011 - 05:51 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:52 PM

Removing the instigator rule should be number 1 on that list.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:54 PM

Removing the instigator rule should be number 1 on that list.

exactly.


bettman does know that all these concussions are a result of his rule changes right?

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:05 PM

exactly.


bettman does know that all these concussions are a result of his rule changes right?


I wouldn't count on it, he is too busy blaming it on equipment etc. The bottom line is, nowadays the respect between the players isn't there and imo that is partly due to the instigator. Now i'm not saying this is the sole reason for concussions but it is playing a major part in todays game by not allowing players to police themselves.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:10 PM

I wouldn't count on it, he is too busy blaming it on equipment etc. The bottom line is, nowadays the respect between the players isn't there and imo that is partly due to the instigator. Now i'm not saying this is the sole reason for concussions but it is playing a major part in todays game by not allowing players to police themselves.


Pretty sure injuries due to cheap shots occurred before the instigator. I also believe that concussions weren't as well documented as they are now.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:14 PM

I like #1 the best.

Time to make goalies look like they did 20 or 30 years ago. These oversized pads and other equipment are ridiculous and are bad for the game.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:19 PM

Pretty sure injuries due to cheap shots occurred before the instigator. I also believe that concussions weren't as well documented as they are now.


Cheap shots will always be there, thats apart of hockey but some players are able to get away with it now where before they wouldn't have. I completely agree with the second part, concussions have always been apart of hockey and any major pro sport in fact. Players nowadays as well are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before and even a clip to the head nowadays can cause a concussion.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:25 PM

I like #1 the best.

Time to make goalies look like they did 20 or 30 years ago. These oversized pads and other equipment are ridiculous and are bad for the game.

Agreed. I think they should ease up a little bit on the hooking and holding. We've seen many incidents where a puck is dumped in and the defenseman gets wasted because his partner can't obstruct the forechecking player in any way at all. Even just a little tug or hold in that situation would be ideal.
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 01:02 AM

I found this combination of comments funny:

"...there is not empirical data to back up any suggestion that concussions and resulting lost man-games are on the rise due to illegal hits to the head."
"...Forty-four percent of the concussions this season have been the result of legal hits to the head ..."

Only 17% were caused by illegal hits.
Should just make all head hits legal again, then there won't be any concussions at all from illegal head hits. Brilliant.
Another 26% from accidents.

If they really want to reduce injuries, concussions specifically, they need to change the culture of the game more than anything. Any hit where the head is targetted needs to be punished severely. Start handing out long suspensions and big fines. Some people will whine about it. Maybe lose some of the more barbaric fans. So what. There'd be an adjustment period and the next generation of players will still hit, and hit effectively. Just not headhunt. Hip checks would make a comeback. Defense would improve as guys stop taking themselves out of the play in order to make a highlight reel. The flow of the game would improve since not every big hit would bring a stop in play for a pointless pushing contest.

Without that there isn't much point to doing anything. Rink mods are ok, but only 6 rinks still have seamless glass. Stanchion hits happen maybe once a year. I really don't think rinks are much of a factor.

Better diagnostics is good. Not sure how much better a quiet room is going to be though. It seems the diagnosis still relies mostly on how the player says they feel. Many concussions don't leave the player obviously incoherrent; might not even cause a headache right away with all the adrenaline pumping.

Fining the coaches/teams isn't bad, but the focus needs to be mostly on the players.

Equipment changes could be good if they focus mainly on helmets. Soft cap pads won't do anything. If they do, it will only be because they are made to offer so little protection to the player that any concussion benefit is offset by an increase in shoulder injuries from guys falling or hitting the boards. You want to protect the head then focus on the piece of gear designed to protect the head. Mandatory tightened chin-straps at the least. Catastrophic injuries are very rare even without that; with straps they'd be all but eliminated entirely. I'm not sure there are many concussions that could be prevented by a properly seated helmet, since I don't think hockey helmets are designed for concussion protection. I assume the helmet and padding design could be significantly improved. I'm sure pro helmets are a lot better than the typical off-the-shelf models, but even Football only recently started designing helmets for concussion reduction.

One thing that would help but probably won't happen for a long, long time. Full face cages, especially if integrated with the helmet design instead of tacked on, would cut both the number and severity of concussions. Or at least they would if used in conjunction with stiff headshot rules to prevent a rise in players trying harder to hurt a more well-protected player.

Mouthguards are already required I think, but they could probably make sure players are using properly fitting guards. I'm not sure how often players get hit in the jaw, but intracranial vibration can cause a lot of damage, and a good mouthguard can lessen that even on other head hits. They would definitely be needed if using face-cages using the jaw for an anchor point.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 12:04 PM

1. Bettman Retires
2. Don Cherry becomes commissioner


Bettman is a better commissioner than Cherry could ever be. Cherry would be pushing for penalties only for the losing player in a fight, and for pretty plays.

3. All euros banned from NHL
4. Instigator rule removed


More from the "Cherry commish" situation. Although the instigator rule is NOT to blame for cheap shots or injuries. The fact that increased medical attention better documents things like concussions and other injuries doesn't make them more prevalent. Cheap shots happened just as much if not more often in the pre-instigator days, largely due to the high number of guys on NHL teams who were skill-free enforcers.

5. Joke teams/markets go back to Hartford,Quebec, Winnipeg, etc.


Quebec and Winnipeg MIGHT be able to support a team. Hartford couldn't when it had one, and would have even less chance of survival now. Hartford only ever had a team because the WHA wanted to steal fans from the Bruins. In the same league, especially as an expansion team, a new Hartford team would die a quick death.

how about players keep their head up?

in all seriousness if they start punishing north south hits to the head i will no longer watch the nhl. the only one to blame for a north south hit to the head is the player with the puck.


exactly.

bettman does know that all these concussions are a result of his rule changes right?


Intentional hit to the head=cheap shot. Even if it's a north-south hit with the guy's head down. So you can stop watching the NHL if that happens. Maybe we should start taking helms off and have goalies play without masks? Since you're so unconcerned about head shots.

Hits to the head are not a result of rule changes in the past twenty years. And whether they be east-west, west-south, north-south, whatever, are ALWAYS dirty hits and should be banned. If you are going for a guy's head, it doesn't really matter what direction you are coming from. It's dangerous and could even be career-ending. Get rid of that s***. Furthermore, concussions on the level they have been happening aren't a result of Bettman's rule changes. Being better documented and treated does not mean they happen more often. Unless you think there was nobody living in countries around the world before they instituted their various census procedures.

As for the comment on defensemen getting wasted in the corner because their partner can't obstruct the forechecker? How about remove thef****** trapezoid. Or change the goal line so that it arcs behind the goal line, and pucks in the corner don't count as icing.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 12:25 PM

per McKenzie Twitter, some rules taken from the meetings:

GMs recommendations:
1. Re-define a tougher standard on existing boarding and charging rules, starting next season.
2. Longer suspensions in general for illegal head hits and much longer suspensions for repeat offenders.

Committee of Shanahan, Blake, Yzerman, Nieuwendyk, in conjunction with hockey ops, will re-define boarding and charging standards.


NHL will continue to look at broadening Rule 48 to more than than blindside hits but no specifics whatsoever on that at this time.

GMs, BTW, overwhelmingly viewed Chara-Pacioretty as "hockey play" I'm told vote was 24-6 on it as a play that didn't require discipline

Seems like par for the course on this really. Good to see that committee getting together but I can see any real good ideas never coming to light as most of this seems like a bunch of BS anyway.

Edited by HankthaTank, 15 March 2011 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 03:12 PM

per McKenzie Twitter, some rules taken from the meetings:

Seems like par for the course on this really. Good to see that committee getting together but I can see any real good ideas never coming to light as most of this seems like a bunch of BS anyway.

Good to see the overall view of the Chara hit was a "hockey play". I'd like to see s***heads like Cooke suspended longer as well. Good to see there's still some commom sense left.
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:03 PM

Per @TSNBob McKenzie, the commissioner has outlined a 5 step plan for head injuries:

LGW, your thoughts?


There are some rules changes that would help

- no touch icing
-get rid of the trapezoid

Both of these are easy to do, other leagues have done them and I am hoping are part of #5
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:23 PM

While I think head shots should be removed, I'm afraid of how the new rules will be interpreted. There are many times, especially on north-south hits, where any hit will head the head, or the hitting player cannot make the judgement of if the head will be hit or not. The last thing I want to see if players skating with their head down since they can't be hit (any north-south hit would be to the head). While this is an oversimplification, the possibility is there. I think the best thing to do is give two-min penalties to players who appear to target the head (assuming the refs can judge) and then let the league give further review unless the hit is blatantly targeting the head. Many of the game misconducts this year have been BS IMO. The league can always issue a one game suspension if that should have been called.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:38 PM

So there's still no plan to try and eliminate head shots all together? Also the League is still ok with fighting and goons after what Probert's brain showed us? Why am I not surprised?

The NHL needs to take head shots and concussions seriously because after this public outcry from Chara/Pacioretty incident, I think they're only one more big hit and concussion away from a huge lawsuit on their hands. The NHL will have a difficult time defending themselves in court too because they really aren't addressing head shots.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:42 PM

So there's still no plan to try and eliminate head shots all together? Also the League is still ok with fighting and goons after what Probert's brain showed us? Why am I not surprised?

The NHL needs to take head shots and concussions seriously because after this public outcry from Chara/Pacioretty incident, I think they're only one more big hit and concussion away from a huge lawsuit on their hands. The NHL will have a difficult time defending themselves in court too because they really aren't addressing head shots.

Bettman and the Owners continue to run the league into the ground!

What do you proper then? Have you ever tried to make a north-south open ice hit on a player with his head down without hitting the head? You want to remove fighting?

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:48 PM

What do you proper then? Have you ever tried to make a north-south open ice hit on a player with his head down without hitting the head? You want to remove fighting?

There should be no hits to the head at all. How come the NFL can ban head shots and the NHL can't?

Also I think fighting is a 1970's thing. There's no need for it. Again, why can you fight in hockey and not in the other sports? Just like other sports, if you fight, you're out of the game.

The issue here is concussions, head hits and fighting causes concussions. Both should be eliminated.

If the NHL doesn't address concussions seriously, like I said, they're going to face huge lawsuits. Look at this public outcry from the Chara hit, it's just the beginning of what could happen.
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