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Posted 22 March 2011 - 08:16 PM

I like this scenario better: We win the cup, he retires wearing the Winged Wheel and goes out on top...

I don't like this, but I may be paranoid. I think if Lids wins another Cup, and wins another Norris, he may retire on top, as a team member and an individual. What else is there to prove at that point?
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Posted 22 March 2011 - 08:30 PM

I don't like this, but I may be paranoid. I think if Lids wins another Cup, and wins another Norris, he may retire on top, as a team member and an individual. What else is there to prove at that point?

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 09:55 PM

hope so

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Posted 22 March 2011 - 10:34 PM

Honestly, why would he quit "on top?" He's so competitive, he'd probably wonder why he should quit when he's still the best in the game. I understand not wanting to overstay your welcome, but you're not going to go from best in the league to crappy 5 or 6 D-man over the course of a summer. He'd at least have one year left after I'm sure.
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Posted 22 March 2011 - 11:18 PM

He said he wants to play another year for the wings. So what will Holland and co do?


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Posted 22 March 2011 - 11:49 PM

This roster keeps just Eaves out of him, Draper, Miller, and Modano. It also brings back Lidstrom at 6.2, Ozzie at 600k, and Ericsson at 1.2m. Our signings include a Reasonable Forward at 5.5million, and a Solid Defensman at 1mill. This senario would leave us with 50k in cap space, not ideal. So we would either go cheaper on the forward or sign Draper at league Min and let Eaves go instead.

Of course you could tweak this lots of ways but anyway you put it we should be in a great situation where we have to decide who we keep/letgo to bring in some fresh talent.

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Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Reasonable Forward ($5.500m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.500m)

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Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.200m)
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Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($0.600m)

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 01:16 AM

Since when did $5.5m become a 'reasonable forward'??
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Posted 23 March 2011 - 01:31 AM

Since when did $5.5m become a 'reasonable forward'??
This is not Toronto or The Rangers!
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and when did letting Eaves go become a good idea??

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 06:45 AM

He's depth. Frankly, if he can live with fourth line minutes and a view from the press box from time to time, I'd give him another year on the cheap. But no, Mikey Mo… no more PP time. Sorry.

He's playing well tonight though.


He played like crap before his injury, and he has played like crap after coming back. He's been the team's worst forward this year. Behind Miller, Emmerton and Mursak, one of whom we definitely lose to keep Modano.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 07:48 AM

No one available? Did you make the same statement last year when Prust was available? IMO Prust fills more of what the Wings' need than Emmerton. There are many similar players available this off-season too. Right now, the Wings have an excess of skilled 4th liners and a deficiency of gritty 4th liners. It's not that I don't like Emmerton, but we also have Miller, Eaves, Abby, Helm, Draper, and Mursak. One of these players will likely be on the third line while the others will fight for fourth line spots. According to capgeek, Emmerton isn't signed for next year. http://www.capgeek.c...lay.php?id=1207

I'd like the Wings to shop the UFA D market, but I am fine with Janik or Salei on the back-end. How is not resigning Salei and bringing someone else in wasting money? That makes no sense.

Did you even read my post? I said this upcoming off-season. What does last year have to do with it? (also, maybe do a search before you make assumptions) Prust is not available, so that example is useless.

Emmerton not being signed, doesn't mean anything - he's still an asset, an RFA, but still an asset nonetheless, so once again, unless they want to let him walk for nothing, he has to be on the big club, or be exposed to waivers... he is out of options (once again, him not being signed yet, means nothing - a tender will at least be qualified)

As for signing someone else - this isn't a video game, bodies aren't just easy swaps - The Wings system is not for everyone and if you have a piece that fits, you don't replace him with a lateral move, just for the sake of making change...

I don't know how much more I can clarify this to you, you're arguing moot points...

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 08:11 AM

Who? Him? He makes how much? No.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 08:31 AM

Did you even read my post? I said this upcoming off-season. What does last year have to do with it? (also, maybe do a search before you make assumptions) Prust is not available, so that example is useless.

Emmerton not being signed, doesn't mean anything - he's still an asset, an RFA, but still an asset nonetheless, so once again, unless they want to let him walk for nothing, he has to be on the big club, or be exposed to waivers... he is out of options (once again, him not being signed yet, means nothing - a tender will at least be qualified)

As for signing someone else - this isn't a video game, bodies aren't just easy swaps - The Wings system is not for everyone and if you have a piece that fits, you don't replace him with a lateral move, just for the sake of making change...

I don't know how much more I can clarify this to you, you're arguing moot points...

It was apparent that you were talking about this coming off-season. I also knew that Prust isn't availible- if you search, you will see that I was talking about Prust a lot last off-season before he was re-signed by NYR. The example is not useless because Prust is not a rare player. His 'break-out' year this year isn't ordinary, but his skill set is relatively common. Off the top of my head, Rosehill and Konopka have contracts ending this year. After the playoffs this year, I'm sure there will be a long list compiled by Newfy, Bring Back..., myself, etc of available gritty players. If you search, you will see this was done last summer, multiple times.

If this Wings don't see Emmerton in their future, than his development is a sunk cost. While I actually like Emmerton, his skill-set is redundant on the Wings. He could be one of the players on next years team, but he will have to beat out a lot of other players. IMO he will likely be re-signed and sent down to GR (or traded) after camp. He's Ritola 2.0- good enough for most teams, but redundant on the Wings (has a chance at camp).

I agree that not everyone fits on the Wings, but Emmerton's 2 NHL games are hardly a confirmation that he fits into the NHL system. If Brad May and Aaron Downey managed to fit in, I would not be worried about any Boll, Prust, Konopka type player fitting in. Most players like this are great locker room guys, and they rarely cause problems internally (excluding Carcillo).

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 09:00 AM

It was apparent that you were talking about this coming off-season. I also knew that Prust isn't availible- if you search, you will see that I was talking about Prust a lot last off-season before he was re-signed by NYR. The example is not useless because Prust is not a rare player. His 'break-out' year this year isn't ordinary, but his skill set is relatively common. Off the top of my head, Rosehill and Konopka have contracts ending this year. After the playoffs this year, I'm sure there will be a long list compiled by Newfy, Bring Back..., myself, etc of available gritty players. If you search, you will see this was done last summer, multiple times.

If this Wings don't see Emmerton in their future, than his development is a sunk cost. While I actually like Emmerton, his skill-set is redundant on the Wings. He could be one of the players on next years team, but he will have to beat out a lot of other players. IMO he will likely be re-signed and sent down to GR (or traded) after camp. He's Ritola 2.0- good enough for most teams, but redundant on the Wings (has a chance at camp).

I agree that not everyone fits on the Wings, but Emmerton's 2 NHL games are hardly a confirmation that he fits into the NHL system. If Brad May and Aaron Downey managed to fit in, I would not be worried about any Boll, Prust, Konopka type player fitting in. Most players like this are great locker room guys, and they rarely cause problems internally (excluding Carcillo).

Am I speaking a different language, or is your comprehension just poor? Maybe I need to break it down, point by point -

It was apparent that you were talking about this coming off-season. I also knew that Prust isn't availible- if you search, you will see that I was talking about Prust a lot last off-season before he was re-signed by NYR.

Since we are talking about this COMING off-season, Prust and Boll are moot points, as they are both already signed... last years off-season has no relevance to the point I was making, as we are talking about, once again, this COMING off-season - Also, I was not the one assuming that you said someone wasn't valuable, so why should I search for what you said? (I was also in favor of Prust and Boll LAST off-season, but once again, that is not relevant to the topic at hand,as we are talking about the COMING off-season)

The example is not useless because Prust is not a rare player. His 'break-out' year this year isn't ordinary, but his skill set is relatively common. Off the top of my head, Rosehill and Konopka have contracts ending this year. After the playoffs this year, I'm sure there will be a long list compiled by Newfy, Bring Back..., myself, etc of available gritty players. If you search, you will see this was done last summer, multiple times.

Rosehill and Konopka's skillset do not fit the Wings style and are not the same players as Prust or Boll, so you're comparing apples to oranges... Konopka is borderline, but I still think he wouldn't fit here and would end up a healthy scratch more than not, so why waste the roster spot, or give away an asset to get him? Rosehill is an AHL'er. period.

If this Wings don't see Emmerton in their future, than his development is a sunk cost. While I actually like Emmerton, his skill-set is redundant on the Wings. He could be one of the players on next years team, but he will have to beat out a lot of other players. IMO he will likely be re-signed and sent down to GR (or traded) after camp. He's Ritola 2.0- good enough for most teams, but redundant on the Wings (has a chance at camp).

Ritola is essentially out of the NHL and will probably have to retire due to his ear problem, Quincey, his back - The Wings brass are not idiots and generally speaking, if the let a guy just "let walk" for nothing in return... there's probably a reason, and that doesn't seem to be the case with Emmerton, so once again....... apples to oranges - We do not just give assets away. If he's traded, then that just goes right back to my initial point of the Wings making a move... which I said in my first post.

I agree that not everyone fits on the Wings, but Emmerton's 2 NHL games are hardly a confirmation that he fits into the NHL system. If Brad May and Aaron Downey managed to fit in, I would not be worried about any Boll, Prust, Konopka type player fitting in. Most players like this are great locker room guys, and they rarely cause problems internally (excluding Carcillo).

I was referring to Salei about fitting the system - why would they replace him with an outsider, when they already have someone they know works in this team, AT his caphit... makes no sense, it would be a lateral move at best...

Also, Prust and Boll, moot points again.

As I said in my first post, there is no one available in this COMING off season worth losing an asset over up front and for the D, it would only be change, for changes sake...

And once again, just to clarify - this is all under the assumption of no trades and/or the great one retiring...

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Here in this one as well

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 09:10 AM

This roster keeps just Eaves out of him, Draper, Miller, and Modano. It also brings back Lidstrom at 6.2, Ozzie at 600k, and Ericsson at 1.2m. Our signings include a Reasonable Forward at 5.5million, and a Solid Defensman at 1mill. This senario would leave us with 50k in cap space, not ideal. So we would either go cheaper on the forward or sign Draper at league Min and let Eaves go instead.

Of course you could tweak this lots of ways but anyway you put it we should be in a great situation where we have to decide who we keep/letgo to bring in some fresh talent.

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Reasonable Forward ($5.500m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.200m)
/ Solid Defensman ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($0.600m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $63,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,358,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $41,289


Helm will be making more after this season. Eaves is a huge pk'er and has been playing with heart all season, i dont forsee Holland letting him go. As much as miller is trying to prove his icetime currently i see him getting the let go. Draper may retire after this season. Lidstrom will most likely come back after this season but take once again another paycut. Osgood was saying since his surgery he'll see how he does and see how the future lays.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 09:10 AM

I like MoDo, but financially it is time to part ways. We really need a few guys who can win face-offs and put up 40 pts a year.
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Posted 23 March 2011 - 09:43 AM

Am I speaking a different language, or is your comprehension just poor? Maybe I need to break it down, point by point -


Since we are talking about this COMING off-season, Prust and Boll are moot points, as they are both already signed... last years off-season has no relevance to the point I was making, as we are talking about, once again, this COMING off-season - Also, I was not the one assuming that you said someone wasn't valuable, so why should I search for what you said? (I was also in favor of Prust and Boll LAST off-season, but once again, that is not relevant to the topic at hand,as we are talking about the COMING off-season)


Rosehill and Konopka's skillset do not fit the Wings style and are not the same players as Prust or Boll, so you're comparing apples to oranges... Konopka is borderline, but I still think he wouldn't fit here and would end up a healthy scratch more than not, so why waste the roster spot, or give away an asset to get him? Rosehill is an AHL'er. period.

Please explain why you were in favor of Boll and Prust, but not Konopka and Rosehill. Prior to this season, Prust's best season was 9 points. On a ppg basis, Rosehill is on pace to at least match that. Also, Konopka already has 9 points, and he has played much of the year with Trevor Gillies. Konopka is also one of the league's best in FO% and a great PK'er. He sounds exactly like somebody the Wings would want on their fourth line. Konopka had great scoring in the AHL, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him with 15-20 points on the Wings. Rosehill isn't as skilled (but not much worse than Boll IMO), but we are talking about someone who would be a 14th forward. He can skate well, hit well, and fight well.

Prust and Boll aren't unique players, and that's why I brought them up. I don't think everyone here has watched 10+ Isles games or 10+ Leafs/Marlies games to judge Rosehill or Konopka, but most on here probably know Prust and Boll.

Ritola is essentially out of the NHL and will probably have to retire due to his ear problem, Quincey, his back - The Wings brass are not idiots and generally speaking, if the let a guy just "let walk" for nothing in return... there's probably a reason, and that doesn't seem to be the case with Emmerton, so once again....... apples to oranges - We do not just give assets away. If he's traded, then that just goes right back to my initial point of the Wings making a move... which I said in my first post.

I don't think Ritola's inner-ear problems were why he was cut from the Wings. He just didn't do enough to beat out Miller, Eaves, Helm, or Abby. Draper's spot was secure. Because of that, I don't see how Emmerton will beat out Miller, Eaves, Helm, or Abby next year. There just isn't room unless the Wings make a move (trade or not re-signing Miller and/or Eaves). If they do make a move, see my suggestion for a gritty player. Here is the link to the article about Ritola being placed on waivers. http://www.mlive.com...ias_ritola.html

I was referring to Salei about fitting the system - why would they replace him with an outsider, when they already have someone they know works in this team, AT his caphit... makes no sense, it would be a lateral move at best...

I never said the Wings shouldn't resign Salei. I suggested they shop a bit, but I am fine with him sticking around. There are always a few good players who fall through the cracks.

Also, Prust and Boll, moot points again.

As I said in my first post, there is no one available in this COMING off season worth losing an asset over up front and for the D, it would only be change, for changes sake...

And once again, just to clarify - this is all under the assumption of no trades and/or the great one retiring...

I don't think the Wings should be content. I'd like to see them shop a bit knowing they don't have to make any moves. IMO this is the best position to be in. I'm not asking for the Wings to overpay for anyone, but I'd take Konopka at <700k any day of the week. I'd also take Rosehill at 500k (league minimum- I'm not sure if it will go up) to be the 14th forward. I won't be devastated if the Wings have essentially the same roster next year, but I think they should make an attempt at a gritty guy.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:03 AM

Please explain why you were in favor of Boll and Prust, but not Konopka and Rosehill. Prior to this season, Prust's best season was 9 points. On a ppg basis, Rosehill is on pace to at least match that. Also, Konopka already has 9 points, and he has played much of the year with Trevor Gillies. Konopka is also one of the league's best in FO% and a great PK'er. He sounds exactly like somebody the Wings would want on their fourth line. Konopka had great scoring in the AHL, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him with 15-20 points on the Wings. Rosehill isn't as skilled (but not much worse than Boll IMO), but we are talking about someone who would be a 14th forward. He can skate well, hit well, and fight well.

Prust and Boll aren't unique players, and that's why I brought them up. I don't think everyone here has watched 10+ Isles games or 10+ Leafs/Marlies games to judge Rosehill or Konopka, but most on here probably know Prust and Boll.

I don't think Ritola's inner-ear problems were why he was cut from the Wings. He just didn't do enough to beat out Miller, Eaves, Helm, or Abby. Draper's spot was secure. Because of that, I don't see how Emmerton will beat out Miller, Eaves, Helm, or Abby next year. There just isn't room unless the Wings make a move (trade or not re-signing Miller and/or Eaves). If they do make a move, see my suggestion for a gritty player. Here is the link to the article about Ritola being placed on waivers. http://www.mlive.com...ias_ritola.html


I never said the Wings shouldn't resign Salei. I suggested they shop a bit, but I am fine with him sticking around. There are always a few good players who fall through the cracks.


I don't think the Wings should be content. I'd like to see them shop a bit knowing they don't have to make any moves. IMO this is the best position to be in. I'm not asking for the Wings to overpay for anyone, but I'd take Konopka at <700k any day of the week. I'd also take Rosehill at 500k (league minimum- I'm not sure if it will go up) to be the 14th forward. I won't be devastated if the Wings have essentially the same roster next year, but I think they should make an attempt at a gritty guy.

Then please do not dismiss the guts of my original post, I wasn't saying it was a horrible idea and should never happen, and I wouldn't be opposed to Konopka IF a move was made which changed the roster and allowed us to bring in an outside player without giving up assets(Rosehill I wouldn't want regardless and I think would be a waste of a roster spot and is a fringe NHL'er at best) - The main point of my original post was that barring a trade, I don't think just letting assets (young assets at that) walk to sign a spare part/4th liner is a good idea in any scenario...

As for their value, I'd actually go Boll>Prust>Konopka - The reason I think Prust and Boll are more valuable assets than Konopka (I don't even think Rosehill is in the same category) is their age, potential and foot speed of both of them, along with the fact that neither have been known to make REAL boneheaded plays in their career, where Konopka is known to take bad penalties at bad times (he's been better this year, but that is why TB let him walk)

For the record, I've seen a VERY good deal of both Konopka and Rosehill...

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Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:18 AM

Source?



cant find the source (didnt look hard, either) but it was during an interview when he was talking about coming back in a few weeks. he said he wanted to get the full wings experience. something to that effect.

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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:24 AM

i gotta believe if Mikes wants back he will be offered a contract. he is starting to get his skates going very quick right now and the goals will start coming on a regular pass.
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Posted 23 March 2011 - 10:41 AM

Then please do not dismiss the guts of my original post, I wasn't saying it was a horrible idea and should never happen, and I wouldn't be opposed to Konopka IF a move was made which changed the roster and allowed us to bring in an outside player without giving up assets(Rosehill I wouldn't want regardless and I think would be a waste of a roster spot and is a fringe NHL'er at best) - The main point of my original post was that barring a trade, I don't think just letting assets (young assets at that) walk to sign a spare part/4th liner is a good idea in any scenario...

As for their value, I'd actually go Boll>Prust>Konopka - The reason I think Prust and Boll are more valuable assets than Konopka (I don't even think Rosehill is in the same category) is their age, potential and foot speed of both of them, along with the fact that neither have been known to make REAL boneheaded plays in their career, where Konopka is known to take bad penalties at bad times (he's been better this year, but that is why TB let him walk)

For the record, I've seen a VERY good deal of both Konopka and Rosehill...

I see more where you are coming from now. To me, until Emmerton makes the NHL (full-time) he isn't an important asset right now, but I can see why you value him. I said it about Ritola and I'll say it about Emmerton- I don't think he has a future with the Wings, but I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong if he earns it.

I really like Boll too- he brings it every night. Konopka hasn't looked at 'stupid' this year, but he's also playing with a tougher team (probably doesn't feel like he always has to retaliate). I mention Rosehill because you aren't going to see Boll, Konopka, or Prust type players accepting a 14th forward spot. Usually these spots are relegated to lesser-skilled enforcers, and I don't see the Wings wanting a prospect sitting in the press-box 30+ games a year. Of the fighters willing to take a 14th forward spot, Rosehill is probably the most skilled. Haley has also impressed me in his time up with the Isles, but I'm not sold on his skating. Also, I think Callahan will need a mentor when he enters the NHL in a few years. While this is further away, I think it is important.

I think I can please us both (with a lot of ifs). If Drapes and Modano retire, and Miller isn't re-signed we have (lines not important).
ZDH
Franzen-Flip-Bert
Cleary-Abby-Huds
Eaves-Helm-Mursak
Emmerton/Rosehill

If Drapes and/or Modano doesn't retire and Miller is re-signed, we might both be unhappy (loose Emmerton and don't get a gritty guy).





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