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[Motown4013]

Lol Joey McDonald. Yeah, were gonna go far with him. He's a Legace clone. The guys horrible let's be honest here.

f***in Osgood, how do you think your gonna be ready and not let us get a f***in replacement at the deadline. FFS.

Do you WATCH the games???

[Yzermania]

Do you WATCH the games???

I agree, the few times he's played lately, he has looked stronger than Howard. People are acting like hasek in his prime just got injured, In my opinion, it's not much of a drop off, if any at this point.

[zombi]

Good news. Sorta.

DETROIT – Instead of celebrating his birthday with a win Saturday, Jimmy Howard needed help off the ice following a controversial play, which injured the Red Wings' 27-year-old goalie.

Howard needed to the Wings' bench during the third period of the Wings' 4-2 win in a heated Original Six rivalry game against the Toronto Maple Leafs at Joe Louis Arena.

It appeared that Howard injured his left shoulder on a Leafs' scoring that tied the game at 2, with 13:49 left in regulation. The Red Wings summed up Howard's status as an upper body injury.

Howard was hurt when Leafs forward Joffrey Lupul toppling over, landing on the left shoulder of the Wings' netminder. Lupul, who scored on the play, was stationed in front of the Wings' net, battling for position in the crease with Wings center Kris Draper.

Neither referee Bill McCreary nor Marcus Vinnerborg whistled the Maple Leafs' forward for goaltender interference, which puzzled Wings coach Mike Babcock.

"I saw their guy go in the crease – Lupul went into the crease – bumped into our guy, then Draper pushed him in, and after he fell on him," Babcock said. "I mean it's easy for us, we saw the replay ... The part I don't like is that when (Tomas) Holmstrom is near the net, the whistle goes and the goals are waived off, and they're allowed to fall on the goalie. It's one of those things that happen in hockey, and we need to make sure we're looking after the goalies."

Wings general manager Ken Holland spoke to the media following Saturday's game and said that at first glance, the injury to Howard doesn't appear to be serious, though team doctors still plan to order an MRI as a precaution.

Backup goalie Joey MacDonald came in and blanked the Maple Leafs in the final 13 minutes, stopping all seven shots that he faced in relief.

The Red Wings earned two big points in the standings after Jiri Hudler and Todd Bertuzzi (empty net) scored to lift them to a 4-2 victory over their Original Six archrivals.

"I thought Mac did a real good job," Babcock said. "They had a couple chances at the end there and he gave a real good poke-check when they were coming around the net and one of their guys fell, so it is what it is."

With only seven games left before the start of the Stanley Cup playoffs, the Wings don't need to be without Howard for an extended time. The Wings are already without veteran goalie Chris Osgood, who is still experiencing soreness following surgery to repair a sports hernia.

Edited by zombi, 26 March 2011 - 10:39 PM.

[Barrie]

Wow what?

Howard has been poor this season. Osgood hasn't been spectacular, but he's certainly been no worse. He plays better when he's disrespected anyway. I'd feel better having him in the playoffs than Howard. He's proven people wrong before.

I don't know man, I doubt Ozzie's body can handle another 22 game playoff run. Plus we'll tighten up on D once the playoffs start, and Howard needs to get more playoff experience. Play the kid!

[Travis]

Holland said the club likely will recall somebody to back-up Joey MacDonald for Monday's game against Chicago.

[Donaldjr2448]

I don't know, I don't wish injuries on anyone. However, I have no faith in Howard what so ever!! This guy lets in beach balls, and still seems to give uo juicy rebounds as well as kicking rebounds into the slot! I understand MacDonald isn't the best of goalies, but he has been much more consistant and the team seems to play better in front of him! I'm really getting sick of the excuses from Howard to be honest!

Sorry, I feel this way, but I have no faith in Howie!

[Howard He Do It?!]

This habit of loving the backup and hating the starter is getting old. This is an injury thread and people are essentially saying that they are happy that Howard is hurt and that a career backup is the better choice. Hell, people were discussing Howard's replacement on page one. Would the same occur in a Datsyuk injury thread or a Zetterberg injury thread? The truth is that very few respect the goaltender position around here and there is definitely a faction that hates Howard, just as there is one for Ozzie. Take your criticisms to the Howard watch thread where they belong. Absolutely pathetic behavior in here.

Edited by Howard He Do It?!, 26 March 2011 - 11:59 PM.

[stevkrause]

Didn't look good at all, my first guess was a separated shoulder, which for a goalie, well...

MacDonald/Pearce combo come playoffs is a very real possibility...

This habit of loving the backup and hating the starter is getting old. This is an injury thread and people are essentially saying that they are happy that Howard is hurt and that a career backup is the better choice. Hell, people were discussing Howard's replacement on page one. Would the same occur in a Datsyuk injury thread or a Zetterberg injury thread? The truth is that very few respect the goaltender position around here and there is definitely a faction that hates Howard, just as there is one for Ozzie. Take your criticisms to the Howard watch thread where they belong. Absolutely pathetic behavior in here.

I wish I could + this on my phone...

Edited by stevkrause, 27 March 2011 - 12:02 AM.

[matt198913]

You people need to understand Howard is a 2 year starter!!! For christ sake this isn't even close to the best that we are going to see him at. I think some time off will do him some good. I see him back in time for the playoffs and leading Detroit in another cup run.

[brett]

it didnt look good at all. hes a tough kid but when you saw him get up and immediately start skating to the bench you know something bad happened. i also thought it was a seperated shoulder or some kind of shoulder/ collarbone injury. hopefully its just a bruise

[JasonNewEra]

Not good to say the least. I'm surprized the Canadian affiliates aren't saying that it's fitting since we took the playoffs from Toronto.

Fair weather fans in Detroit per usual though. If you didn't support Jimmy then who do you support? From the sounds of this board almost everybody is saying were doomed with Joey in net. Sheesh, let's see what happens huh?

[Liberation]

Distinct falling motion before being touched by Draper:




Distinct let me try jumping into Howard because I got touched a little:





Different angle, clearly see the contact happens with the crease before hand:




Obvious with this one...




Anyways, IMO Rule 20ish about intentionally trying to injure a player game misconduct should of happened here, as soon as Lupul felt Draper touch him, he threw out his right leg and laid on Howard.

[WingsWingsWings]

It's a rule in the CBA, I'm almost convinced of it. Something like Subsection 48.2, clause RW-G. "All goals scored while physically on top of the Red Wings goalie shall be counted, without possibility of review."

On an interesting side note, Subsection 48.3, clause TH says "If Tomas Holmstrom is even in the same building as the game being played, regardless of his status or availability to play in said game, any goal scored by the Red Wings can be waived off as Incidental Contact with the goalie. A penalty can be imposed, solely at the discretion of the referee...

...and Gary Bettman."

I'm with you here!! I was surprised not to see Gary listed as an assist on the Goal.


I'm upset about Jimmy's injury, but I have complete faith in JoeyMac, even without his NHL testing some people are calling for. You know why? because I'm not one of those doom-and-gloomers that are so prevalent in the Red Wings fan base! Win or lose I am a Red Wings fan - If their life just became a little harder in the playoffs, so what? THEY ARE THE RED WINGS!

I hope Jimmy is ok, and that he is able to return to the team. People bitching about the Red Wings not being contenders in the playoffs now are just as bad as Gary Bettman in my book. He took this league to a place where you have a superstar on a team and everyone else plays around them. Detroit s full of superstars and they play together. One player does not decide the fate of the team - the team does. So, look at what you're doing when you start bitching, because you're acting alot like Gary Bettman, and that is NOT a good idea.

[Reilly]

Howard's rebounds won't be missed....

[MulesWillFly93]

I thought Jimmy has been looking better recently - yeah, he still has games like the Pens one, but it doesn't seem like they're as frequent as they were when we were having to score 4+ goals just to win there for a while. Also, I think the guy does better under pressure, weirdly enough, and with the playoffs coming up, I was really thinking he was starting to get it going. So I have faith in Howie, but I also have faith in Joey, too. He's looked pretty darn solid lately, and I hope that continues. I mean, we haven't really had enough time to see if he's consistent or if this has been a lucky streak, but from the little we have, he really does look like he's on top of things, so that makes me feel good. Hurry back, though, Howie...I like having at least a small safety net of knowing my two goalies both have experience playing with the team this year.

[grwingfan]

If he really did separate his shoulder he is done for the year. Damn.

[Mabuhay Red Wings]

Don't know what day to day really means or implies anymore.

[LadyInRed]

WOW poor Howie! And on his birthday too!? I hope hes doing okay, and hopefully can come back to us ASAP, with a healthy body. I missed the game, but it it didnt look like neither of those goals was his fault... um, ESPECIALLY the 2nd. It would be perfect to me to have Howie as a starter, and Ozzy as a backup jjust in time for the playoffs, but I'm not too sure if we'll get there, and thats getting me worried!

[ACallToArms]

WOW poor Howie! And on his birthday too!? I hope hes doing okay, and hopefully can come back to us ASAP, with a healthy body. I missed the game, but it it didnt look like neither of those goals was his fault... um, ESPECIALLY the 2nd. It would be perfect to me to have Howie as a starter, and Ozzy as a backup jjust in time for the playoffs, but I'm not too sure if we'll get there, and thats getting me worried!

While that 2nd goal was highlight worthy and fun to watch, it was clearly interference against Howie IMHO. I hate to play this card, but if it was Homer in there instead of Lupul, it would have been waived a no goal.

I hope the injury is nothing serious, and Howie makes a quick recovery. I don't understand the Howard hate at all in this thread. I don't think Howard is at the top of his game yet, but this is only his 2nd full NHL season, the kid will improve.

[Jericho613]

I don't care who we have in net, its all about match ups and playing strong on defense. Last year we wore ourselves out to make the playoffs, and when we got to the playoffs we played two west coast teams. This year if we can match up with a Nashville or Chicago in the first round, we will be better off travel wise. We'll be fine, we still have two weeks before playoffs start, we'll see what happens. If Joey is our starter, he'll get alot of practice.