evilzyme 769 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I believe... ...that their defense sucks, minus Lidstrom and Stuart, every other defender can hit the road. ...Howard is not good, he is good as a back up (and not even as good as Osgood was at the same point in his career.) ...Brad McCrimmon must go. ...We are lacking serious fire power. I'd still like to see what Madano can do with a full season, but pretty much, if your name isn't Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Helm or Abdelkader then you can leave your jersey at the door on your way out. I will give passing grades to Holmstrom, Cleary, Eaves & Miller, but I am VERY disappointed and upset with the rest. AND contrary to what most LGW'er's believe, the future is not bright. Our farm club is full of the same kind of players. Murask, Tatar, etc... ...The Wings need to cut ties with some salary and get that sniper... Modano, fixed it for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I believe that nothing that's happening now will impact our chances for a Stanley Cup. The Wings were the hottest team in the league in March and April in the regular season, then went back and forth with the Coyotes for 7 games and knocked out by the Sharks in 5. That strong play and winning streak didn't help in the playoffs last year, why will poor play and losing game this March affect our playoff performance this year? Its cliche, I know, but its true... the playoffs are a whole different game. Especially in the NHL. There's always more intensity, more line matching, more willingness to block shots or give that extra effort because you don't want to be the guy that costs your team the season. I still believe in this team, always have, always will. You can't say this about every team, but you can never count them out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
korrowan 111 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I believe that nothing that's happening now will impact our chances for a Stanley Cup. The Wings were the hottest team in the league in March and April in the regular season, then went back and forth with the Coyotes for 7 games and knocked out by the Sharks in 5. That strong play and winning streak didn't help in the playoffs last year, why will poor play and losing game this March affect our playoff performance this year? Its cliche, I know, but its true... the playoffs are a whole different game. Especially in the NHL. There's always more intensity, more line matching, more willingness to block shots or give that extra effort because you don't want to be the guy that costs your team the season. I still believe in this team, always have, always will. You can't say this about every team, but you can never count them out. We failed miserably in the line matching game against the blackhawks..what makes you think its going to work in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong I hope they come out of their funk and I have faith that they will win but they have pretty much failed miserably across the board over the last 2-3 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I am starting to question Babcock a bit here. He is a great coach, no doubt. However, after this embarassing loss, he STILL refuses to put Pavs and Hank together! Instead he has Pavs playing with Franzen which is always a big waste of time for Pavs because Franzen slows him down. The Wings were playing amazing in the first 2 months or so, which is when Pavs and Hank were playing TOGETHER. Simply put, if Babcock wants this team to start playing good and play to their full potential, then Pavs should be with Z. He needs to establish permanent lines for the playoffs, no more of this switching every single game. Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Homer Franzen- Filpulla- Bertuzzi Cleary- Modano- Hudler Abdelkator- Helm- Eaves/Draper/Miller Lidstrom- Rafalski Kronwall- Stu Kindl- Salai IMO these are the lines to go with; they worked great at the beginning of the year, and they will sure as hell work better than Datsyuk and Franzen together. I would like to know why he is so damn hard headed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Law 15 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 IMO these are the lines to go with; they worked great at the beginning of the year, and they will sure as hell work better than Datsyuk and Franzen together. I would like to know why he is so damn hard headed. I think he's desperately trying to find a way to get Franzen going, in the past when guys were sucking (like hudler for example) he'd throw them on a line with Datsyuk. Its actually kind of a testament to Pasha's skills but guys just play better with him, he buys you lots of room and time and good things just kind of happen. Hank to some degree has a little of this too but he isn't as shifty so you don't get that kind of time and space. When things are going bad and the DRW need goals in an important game he goes back to the same old prudential rocks. Datsyuk & Z, Lidas and Rafalski, Z on the 5 on 3. Its actually a pretty good strategy if you think like I do that confidence is one of the most important attributes in the NHL. Get Franzen going get his brain making creative plays and then he can go back to playing with Flip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 This thread is just weird... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I am starting to question Babcock a bit here. He is a great coach, no doubt. However, after this embarassing loss, he STILL refuses to put Pavs and Hank together! Instead he has Pavs playing with Franzen which is always a big waste of time for Pavs because Franzen slows him down. The Wings were playing amazing in the first 2 months or so, which is when Pavs and Hank were playing TOGETHER. Simply put, if Babcock wants this team to start playing good and play to their full potential, then Pavs should be with Z. He needs to establish permanent lines for the playoffs, no more of this switching every single game. Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Homer Franzen- Filpulla- Bertuzzi Cleary- Modano- Hudler Abdelkator- Helm- Eaves/Draper/Miller Lidstrom- Rafalski Kronwall- Stu Kindl- Salai IMO these are the lines to go with; they worked great at the beginning of the year, and they will sure as hell work better than Datsyuk and Franzen together. I would like to know why he is so damn hard headed. [/quote I really don't know nuthin' about no lines but on the surface it seems impractical to put both Zetts and Dats on the same line. On the other hand, someone wiser than moi on some thread said that teams will start going after Datsyuk once he starts playing again because they know what a powerful catalyst he is. And if they were both on the same line the goons would have to choose and counter both of them. So who the hell knows? Certainly not me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) I honestly don't think that teams will be going after Datsyuk any more now than they were before. It's not like all the sudden other teams are realizing that Datsyuk is dominant. Teams have been going after him for years already. He's good. That's why they rarely get him. I mean, this is like saying that teams just started to realize that Gretzky was dominant when he joined the Kings. Players know who the great players are long before we do. And great players are historically very hard hit. Datsyuk being amazing and a huge part of the Wings success isn't news that has just surfaced... Edited March 31, 2011 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) I believe... ...that their defense sucks, minus Lidstrom and Stuart, every other defender can hit the road. Stuart has been riding Lidstrom's offensive performance, and has had his worst defensive performance as a Red Wing this season. Put him back with Kronwall already. ...Howard is not good, he is good as a back up (and not even as good as Osgood was at the same point in his career.) Chris Osgood was a Vezina contender and Cup winner, and challenged for the Conn Smythe. Plus IIRC he had a better winning percentage than Ken Dryden. It's rare for goalies to be as good as Osgood was at 27. Howard could be a 300 game winner if he's a starter for the next ten years and wins an average of 30 games, but comparing Howard to Osgood is not really fair because Osgood was 22 when he became the Wings' starter (the first time) and was 24 when he was a Vezina finalist and named to the NHL's Second All-Star Team (and should have been First-Team, and Vezina winner) while Howard wasn't even good enough to play in the league at that age. ...Brad McCrimmon must go. That much is pretty clear. Since he's taken over the defense, it's been disorganized and inconsistent. It hasn't been able to adapt quickly to player losses or to changes in opposition offense, all things it could do before. ...We are lacking serious fire power. I'd still like to see what Madano can do with a full season, but pretty much, if your name isn't Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Helm or Abdelkader then you can leave your jersey at the door on your way out. I will give passing grades to Holmstrom, Cleary, Eaves & Miller, but I am VERY disappointed and upset with the rest. AND contrary to what most LGW'er's believe, the future is not bright. Our farm club is full of the same kind of players. Murask, Tatar, etc... ...The Wings need to cut ties with some salary and get that sniper... I'm wondering why you a) included Abdelkader, yet b) left out Cleary. Seems like you were just sort of tossing out names. I'd like to see Hudler on the list, but with the first 30 games you can't really argue in his favor given his skill set and what he should have been producing. If you just look at the second half, he's been one of the Wings' best players. Edited March 31, 2011 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I for one am trying to decide which Canucks jersey I should buy. The new blue/green one with the stick jersey, or the early 90's Halloween colors one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown_Ryan 119 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) I for one am trying to decide which Canucks jersey I should buy. The new blue/green one with the stick jersey, or the early 90's Halloween colors one. Go old School! I for one am wearing my Winged Wheel until they are not playing anymore.... Ill put it away for a couple months (proper for mourning) then back out it comes...... Edited March 31, 2011 by Hockeytown_Ryan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Booster313 138 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I was asked last night if I had to put my money on a team to win the cup this year right now, who would it be. My answer was the Wings. It actually even surprised me because I have plenty of doubts this year, but I also have plenty of doubts in all the other teams. So of it were my money it would be the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 Sounds to me that you need to go join letsgocanucks.com Don't be afraid, many wings fans jumped on the chicago bandwagon last season. The only problem is that they came back here after they cut a lot of salary. Sounds to me like you need to quit confusing legitimate complaints about the team right now (and they do exist) and people who no longer have any interest in the Red Wings, or never had any to begin with. Who the hell died and left you the authority on who is and who is not a fan? I don't recall Matt or any of the other modmins bestowing you with that ability. It's rude and it's presumptuous. So knock it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted March 31, 2011 I really cried when I read this. Oh brother. 4 Broken 16, Detroit \# 1 Fan, Electrophile and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 Sounds to me like you need to quit confusing legitimate complaints about the team right now (and they do exist) and people who no longer have any interest in the Red Wings, or never had any to begin with. Who the hell died and left you the authority on who is and who is not a fan? I don't recall Matt or any of the other modmins bestowing you with that ability. It's rude and it's presumptuous. So knock it off. Legit complaints I have no issue with. Declaring the team dead and buried is bandwagon talk. Just my .02 cents. Oh brother. Obviously, I forgot the sarcasm tags for people who are slow. Excuse that oversight. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 Legit complaints I have no issue with. Declaring the team dead and buried is bandwagon talk. Just my .02 cents. How about having legit complaints and declaring that the team is dead and buried? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 I have legit complaints about this team, but I still think they have a fair shake at the Cup this year. Other than last year, I am usually pretty pissy with the Wings play at the end of the regular season. It's still the same team that was dominating the league in the first couple months, I think this team is a bit disinterested at this point of the year and they do conserve strength for the playoff push, IMO. It's why they often do not perk up until down a point or two and fall asleep with a good lead. As annoying as that is to watch as a fan, there is some wisdom for conserving energy and not risking injuries this close to the playoffs. I probably would not really want this team going 110% every game and going hog-wild for the President's Trophy.... They're a savvy team of veterans and probably give themselves every advantage going into the playoffs. So I think they have a decent chance this year, but I wouldn't be completely shocked if they went out in the early rounds, either. I just, at this point, believe they are capable of playing much better and that the proverbial switch does exist for this team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 I'm with you on that one, too many people got spoiled with winning seasons. There is nothing wrong with struggling and pulling out an amazing playoff run. It has been far too long since the Wings have been the underdog and all these bandwagoneers just want a garunteed win or else they talk s*** about thr team. Stick to your team, good or bad. Ya, last season was SO far away... I believe that a family of 5 can barely afford to go to a hockey game anymore and if last nights game was the ONE that they saved up for and spent a TON of money at with parking, concession, souvenirs PLUS the price of 5 tickets, then I don't want to hear about a "BORED" hockey team. With the MILLIONS these guys make, they need to show up 100% EVERY NIGHT, or get the f*** out! The Wings stunk so bad last night that you could see the green smoke coming out of their assess! They owe that family of 5 an apology (along with the rest of the fans that spent their hard earned money to get there last night.) Ya know what? Lose, fine, but show up playing like they did? UN.ACCEPT.ABLE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricky0034 89 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 I believe that there's something seriously out of skew with this team this year. Even without last night's game, they give up too many goals, and too many turn overs. Getting outshot by the #13 team is unacceptable at this time of the season. Vancouver got outshot 40-24 by Columbus on Sunday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 Please play better. I know they can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MulesWillFly93 199 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 Please play better. I know they can. I agree. I believe in them - if I didn't, I wouldn't have come 2,000 mi to see them play last week - but I don't know if they believe in themselves right now. I just want them to do the best they can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 Vancouver got outshot 40-24 by Columbus on Sunday We are reaching here. Let's worry about our own team right now. At this point, I don't see us coming even remotely close to playing Vancouver in the playoffs anyway. I shall not lose faith though, despite how that just sounded Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted April 1, 2011 I agree. I believe in them - if I didn't, I wouldn't have come 2,000 mi to see them play last week - but I don't know if they believe in themselves right now. I just want them to do the best they can. A slumping team, no matter how talented they are, finds it hard to believe in themselves when their play has been so abysmal despite their talent level. Look at the 2002 Playoffs for the perfect example - a clearly inferior team and goaltender were having their way with the Wings, but one quick Red Wings bounce turned all of it around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted April 2, 2011 I believe... ...in a thing called love -- just listen to the rhythm of my heart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 2, 2011 I believe... ...in a thing called love -- just listen to the rhythm of my heart. I believe.... ....that we can't win a Cup without Lilja 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
