Hmm something I noticed

[newfy 695]

So everyone who says fighting has no place in the game, isn't it odd that the wings go down 3-0, Bertuzzi puts a good licking on Nashvilles toughest player and all of a sudden the wings have momentum swung their way and a comeback made?

I strongly believe fighting can sway the momentum of a game, from playing and watching games like this.

Anyone think Bertuzzi didnt play a big role in this comeback?

PS.. what has gotten into Bert lately? Playing like his old self between his 2 fights today and getting ejected last game. Just in time for the playoffs

[VM1138 1,921]

So everyone who says fighting has no place in the game, isn't it odd that the wings go down 3-0, Bertuzzi puts a good licking on Nashvilles toughest player and all of a sudden the wings have momentum swung their way and a comeback made?

I strongly believe fighting can sway the momentum of a game, from playing and watching games like this.

Anyone think Bertuzzi didnt play a big role in this comeback?

PS.. what has gotten into Bert lately? Playing like his old self between his 2 fights today and getting ejected last game. Just in time for the playoffs

The point is Bertuzzi can play hockey. He can be an impact player after fighting. Nobody is against a fighter who can play hockey. But the enforcers always seem to want some scrub who can barely play to just fight every game. And with Bertuzzi and Abdelkader out there at various points during a game, that's a lot more psychological against another team than some guy getting called up to play two shifts.

Edited April 2, 2011 by VM1138

[newfy 695]

The point is Bertuzzi can play hockey. He can be an impact player after fighting. Nobody is against a fighter who can play hockey. But the enforcers always seem to want some scrub who can barely play to just fight every game. And with Bertuzzi and Abdelkader out there at various points during a game, that's a lot more psychological against another team than some guy getting called up to play two shifts.

No ive seen it brought up here countless times that fights dont have an affect on momentum or anything and that it is completely pointless. I'm sure youre not in that group of people and are fine with fighters if they can play the game, but that is not the case for everyone.

It gets brought up alot. When Carcillo and Talbot fought, all the pens fans point to that as the turning point.

Same with 07 I believe when Beachamin fought Iggy.

There will still be people that fighting serves no purpose, but games like these happen constantly and go against that thought process

[BOUTY 1]

With the Wings style of finesse hockey and puck control, it's refreshing every once in a while to see something like what Bert showed out there today. A crafty vet knows what is needed to get his team fired up and knows when the time is to do it. Good for him. This was definitely a "message" game to Nashville.

So everyone who says fighting has no place in the game, isn't it odd that the wings go down 3-0, Bertuzzi puts a good licking on Nashvilles toughest player and all of a sudden the wings have momentum swung their way and a comeback made?

I strongly believe fighting can sway the momentum of a game, from playing and watching games like this.

Anyone think Bertuzzi didnt play a big role in this comeback?

PS.. what has gotten into Bert lately? Playing like his old self between his 2 fights today and getting ejected last game. Just in time for the playoffs

[RedWingsRox 614]

By chance, does anyone have video and can post it up?

I see from boxscore that they went at it twice!

[Broken 16 381]

So everyone who says fighting has no place in the game, isn't it odd that the wings go down 3-0, Bertuzzi puts a good licking on Nashvilles toughest player and all of a sudden the wings have momentum swung their way and a comeback made?

I strongly believe fighting can sway the momentum of a game, from playing and watching games like this.

Anyone think Bertuzzi didnt play a big role in this comeback?

PS.. what has gotten into Bert lately? Playing like his old self between his 2 fights today and getting ejected last game. Just in time for the playoffs

I've never heard anyone suggest that fighting has no place in the game. Just that it isn't a priority in the Wings system. Which it isn't.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

It was a good show and I was happy to see it. However, I don't think the fight and the comeback are particularly causally related. The Wings were carrying the play before the refs bent them over and the bad times started. After they got out of Penalty City, USA, they pretty much got back to what they were doing beforehand.

[Guest Crymson]

It's nice to see him play with his old edge.

His assist was also very nice.

[Green Wing 26]

The difference between this game and the last Nashville game was obvious. When you stand up to bullies, they back down. (Sorry to put it in such childish terms, but the principle remains). You say you're not going to take s***. And a team that doesn't stand up for itself doesn't get any respect because of it. It's pretty obvious. I'm completely NOT a big 'enforcer' person, but toughness and not taking any s*** is vital.

Nashville didn't keep trying s*** after the fight(s). So I'd say it is related to Bert's fighting Abby's hitting, and general 'not getting pushed around' attitude from the others.

Bert and Abby were great.

[Anijuice 93]

I think the fighting ignited the wings a bit, or at the very least put Nashville on their heels. It was great to see the wings push back against a team like Nashville and come away with the win, but these comebacks are not really breaking news.

More often than not we seem to play from behind after digging ourselves a hole in the first period and then playing catch-up the rest of the game (without fighting anyone). This game specifically though, I think we could have avoided the hole if not for the delay of game penalties, which led directly to Nashville goals. Usually we have mental defense lapses (guess you could call the delay of game penalties mental lapses), but overall I think we played strong defensively.

Some unfortunate mistakes, but even if we had lost I would be glad that we stepped up physically.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Correlation doesn't equal causation. Also using Bert's scuffles as an argument that fighting helped win the game for the Wings probably isn't a good way to go considering it was Nashville who scored consecutive times after the two fights to eventually take a 3-0 lead.

[Broken 16 381]

Actually, doesn't the very existence of this thread debunk your entire argument about the Wings needing to sign an enforcer? They took matters into their own hands.

[RedWingsRox 614]

By chance, does anyone have video and can post it up?

I see from boxscore that they went at it twice!

NHL Network just put the video up!

[newfy 695]

Actually, doesn't the very existence of this thread debunk your entire argument about the Wings needing to sign an enforcer? They took matters into their own hands.

You might have me confused with someone else because I have never wanted the wings to sign a straight up goon enforcer. I've wanted them to fill out the bottom lines with guys like Abby instead of Miller and guys who will fight occasionally but have never once said I want the wings to sign a guy who is a straight up enforcer.

I do however know that enforcers have a role in the game, but lets not turn this into an enforcer argument. I'm talking about fights, regardless of who has them, enforcer or not.. They can shift momentum in games and aren't as useless as some posters here seem to think for some reason

[WorkingOvertime 536]

Correlation doesn't equal causation. Also using Bert's scuffles as an argument that fighting helped win the game for the Wings probably isn't a good way to go considering it was Nashville who scored consecutive times after the two fights to eventually take a 3-0 lead.

Babcock and Cleary both said the fights ignited the team in their post-game interviews. Is that enough proof for you?

[syntax 359]

I, for one, loved it.

Loved that they went twice too.

I'm not sure why Bert has been so trepidatious in his play, but I've had to assume it was the Moore incident.

I'd love for him to finally shrug that off and play physically like we all know he can.

Here's hoping he does memoirs after he retires also, I'd love to read it.

[newfy 695]

Babcock and Cleary both said the fights ignited the team in their post-game interviews. Is that enough proof for you?

Amen

I, for one, loved it.

Loved that they went twice too.

I'm not sure why Bert has been so trepidatious in his play, but I've had to assume it was the Moore incident.

I'd love for him to finally shrug that off and play physically like we all know he can.

Here's hoping he does memoirs after he retires also, I'd love to read it.

Bert ejected last game for a borderline huge hit, now 2 fights in 1 game where he pumped the guy twice. Where has this guy been all season lol?

[Broken 16 381]

You might have me confused with someone else because I have never wanted the wings to sign a straight up goon enforcer. I've wanted them to fill out the bottom lines with guys like Abby instead of Miller and guys who will fight occasionally but have never once said I want the wings to sign a guy who is a straight up enforcer.

I do however know that enforcers have a role in the game, but lets not turn this into an enforcer argument. I'm talking about fights, regardless of who has them, enforcer or not.. They can shift momentum in games and aren't as useless as some posters here seem to think for some reason

Ya. I was just ribbin ya a little. I'm liking what I'm seeing out of Abby. Good to see some snarl on Bert too. He's been pretty ugly lately.

[brett 1,029]

fighting can def swing the momentum. ive seen it happen in a lot of games.

i agree i absolutely love this bert. he can hold his own too.

maybe he was still pissed about the 10-3 blow out.

[newfy 695]

Ya. I was just ribbin ya a little. I'm liking what I'm seeing out of Abby. Good to see some snarl on Bert too. He's been pretty ugly lately.

Yeah haha I wasnt sure if you were or not but it gets frustrating sometimes when theres people on here who are like "Oh Newfy, big enforcer slappy." I'm a tough hockey advocate, not necessarily a 5 minute per game goon, but having 3 Abdelkaders in your bottom lines instead of guys like Miller and Modano is more useful to a team in my opinion.

[Broken 16 381]

Yeah haha I wasnt sure if you were or not but it gets frustrating sometimes when theres people on here who are like "Oh Newfy, big enforcer slappy." I'm a tough hockey advocate, not necessarily a 5 minute per game goon, but having 3 Abdelkaders in your bottom lines instead of guys like Miller and Modano is more useful to a team in my opinion.

Modano has to go. I tried to be supportive of him but he's pretty useless.

[Carman 387]

Fighting has it's place. But there are too many staged fights and too many one dimensional worthless players.

If I'm a Nashville fans I'm pissed that S.o.b. fought Bertuzzi. That's why I don't want a player like that on my team. I think the risk outweighs the reward when it comes to fighting, so I'd rather the team not fight until the instigator rule is taken out.

[thedisappearer 291]

The point is Bertuzzi can play hockey. He can be an impact player after fighting. Nobody is against a fighter who can play hockey. But the enforcers always seem to want some scrub who can barely play to just fight every game. And with Bertuzzi and Abdelkader out there at various points during a game, that's a lot more psychological against another team than some guy getting called up to play two shifts.

More this...

No ive seen it brought up here countless times that fights dont have an affect on momentum or anything and that it is completely pointless.

…and less this.

I'm not saying it's your point, just that I don't see it too often, and when I do, it's usually wrong. There can be fights that have no effect on a game, sure. But pulling a goalie is the only other thing I can think of that sends a message to the team like a well timed fight. Then again, I have to imagine things go in the locker room that trump both of them.

Fighting has it's place. But there are too many staged fights and too many one dimensional worthless players.

So much this. A fight after every big, LEGAL hit? Stupid.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

So everyone who says fighting has no place in the game, isn't it odd that the wings go down 3-0, Bertuzzi puts a good licking on Nashvilles toughest player and all of a sudden the wings have momentum swung their way and a comeback made?

I strongly believe fighting can sway the momentum of a game, from playing and watching games like this.

Anyone think Bertuzzi didnt play a big role in this comeback?

PS.. what has gotten into Bert lately? Playing like his old self between his 2 fights today and getting ejected last game. Just in time for the playoffs

The second fight has to be given credit. But don't forget Babcock's time out and speach.

Modano has to go. I tried to be supportive of him but he's pretty useless.

Funny story: before the playoffs in 2008 the majority of the boards said the exact same thing about Dallas Drake. Of course his series tipping shift against Dallas proved everyone wrong.

The point is that we won't really be able to gauge Modano's usefulness until the playoffs are over. Modano was added for the playoff season, not for the 82 game grind.

[syntax 359]

Funny story: before the playoffs in 2008 the majority of the boards said the exact same thing about Dallas Drake. Of course his series tipping shift against Dallas proved everyone wrong.

The point is that we won't really be able to gauge Modano's usefulness until the playoffs are over. Modano was added for the playoff season, not for the 82 game grind.

It'd be pretty badass if Modano came out of the playoff gate firing on all cylinders and pulled a 'playoff Mule' for us.