GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/648147-detroit-red-wings-50-greatest-players-in-franchise-history/ Saw an article today on bleacherreport and thought I'd get your guys' input. I didn't think the list was bad, but some of the rankings were odd, such as Brett Hull being ranked in the top 30, and Kronwall and Franzen both being on the list, ahead of a guy like Aurie. Oh, I know there have been many such threads on bleacherreport, but I don't remember seeing this particular topic here. Maybe my memory is failing me after a long day of work. Edited April 5, 2011 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Overall a decent list, but I don't see how Kronwall is ranked that high. I wouldn't put Datsyuk ahead of Shanahan just yet. I didn't see Luc Robitaille on the list at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Overall a decent list, but I don't see how Kronwall is ranked that high. I wouldn't put Datsyuk ahead of Shanahan just yet. I didn't see Luc Robitaille on the list at all. Why would Robitaille be on the list? He played for Detroit just 2 seasons, and the second one sucked. On a side note, it seems the guy couldn't think of anymore older Wings to put on the list, so he just threw Kronwall and Franzen on the list out of the blue, as current players he could actually name. Edited April 5, 2011 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Let's all agree Bob Errey would have been #51 1 MannyK reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Mr. Hockey at number 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Decent list. Aurie should be higher, and I don't have a problem with Kronwall and Franzen there. They both were big players in the 2007, 2008, and 2009 playoff runs. And I agree with Bring Back The Bruise Bros, Shanny should be higher than Datsyuk, but only for now. Yzerman vs. Howe, flip a coin, you can't go wrong either way for #1. In this point in time though, "The Captain" is the sentimental favorite, so for making Stevie #1. Edit: I'll add, love seeing Holmstrom at #29. Edited April 5, 2011 by Barrie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Let's all agree Bob Errey would have been #51 My boy Bob Rouse is totally 51 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 I'm a little bummed that Mathieu Dandenault wasn't on the list? Guy carried the blue line for 10+ years around here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 I would go Lidstrom, Howe, Yzerman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 I would go Lidstrom, Howe, Yzerman You'd be in the huge minority on that list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) You'd be in the huge minority on that list. I would argue that Lidstrom is the single greatest wing ever to play. Howe was amazing, and what can I say about Yzerman that hasn't? But Lidstrom is probably the third best player ever in his position and the best defenseman of since Orr. Edited April 5, 2011 by Shaman464 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) How is Hasek not higher? I know he wasn't a Wing for that long, but come on, even past his prime he was one of the greatest. And Maltby over Aurie? I know older players kind of get the shaft in lists, but Maltby was an excellent agitator and role player, Aurie was a superstar who did it all. Edited April 5, 2011 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 That list is crap. Anyone who feels that career fourth-liner Darren McCarty is one of the 25 best Wings ever, feel free to disagree. But I don't recall seeing any of the following names: Marty Barry Ebbie Goodfellow Bill Quackenbush Flash Hollett Herbie Lewis Whoever wrote this really is not that knowledgeable. Of course that is obvious from their write-up on Yzerman in the "top-10 Wings best goal scorers" list. When talking Yzerman, one goal that comes to mind was his 60 foot blast that fooled Jim Carey in a semi final series against the St. Louis Blues in double over time. Jim Carey? Really? Let's check the replay. Yep. I would argue that Lidstrom is the single greatest wing ever to play. Howe was amazing, and what can I say about Yzerman that hasn't? But Lidstrom is probably the third best player ever in his position and the best defenseman of since Orr. You make the argument that Lidstrom should be tops because he's "probably the third best player ever in his position" but you discount the fact that Howe is the best all-time at his? Or the fact that Yzerman is the only player who was able to manage the same kind of playing level as Gretzky or Lemieux did during the 80s and early 90s? Yzerman could easily be argued as the third best center of all-time. So what'll it be then? Best RW, third best C, or third best D? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) That list is crap. Anyone who feels that career fourth-liner Darren McCarty is one of the 25 best Wings ever, feel free to disagree. But I don't recall seeing any of the following names: Marty Barry Ebbie Goodfellow Bill Quackenbush Flash Hollett Herbie Lewis Whoever wrote this really is not that knowledgeable. Of course that is obvious from their write-up on Yzerman in the "top-10 Wings best goal scorers" list. Jim Carey? Really? Let's check the replay. Yep. You make the argument that Lidstrom should be tops because he's "probably the third best player ever in his position" but you discount the fact that Howe is the best all-time at his? Or the fact that Yzerman is the only player who was able to manage the same kind of playing level as Gretzky or Lemieux did during the 80s and early 90s? Yzerman could easily be argued as the third best center of all-time. So what'll it be then? Best RW, third best C, or third best D? Lets see, third best Center? (and not even close on forwards) Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe, Dionne, Esposito and Jagr would be ahead of Yzerman (bold are centres)(And Sakic is just behind him). Whereas with Lidstrom on defense I would argue the only two better than him all time are Harvey and Orr and with another Norris Trophy this year he could pass Harvey on that list. Yzerman was an amazing player, but even he says that Lidstrom was the best player on the team since he was drafted. Edited April 5, 2011 by Shaman464 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Lets see, third best Center? (and not even close on forwards) Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe, Dionne, Esposito and Jagr would be ahead of Yzerman (bold are centres)(And Sakic is just behind him). Whereas with Lidstrom on defense I would argue the only two better than him all time are Harvey and Orr and with another Norris Trophy this year he could pass Harvey on that list. Yzerman was an amazing player, but even he says that Lidstrom was the best player on the team since he was drafted. Wait... So if Lidstrom wins the Norris he could be better than Harvey, but if he doesn't he's not? WTF? Winning an award doesn't make you a great player. And I said Yzerman could be argued as the third best center ever; he was the only one to dominate the league at a level close to Lemieux or Gretzky during their primes. Everybody pretty much agrees that Lemieux and Gretzky are the 1-2 when it comes to centers and forwards. So take them away, now how does Yzerman stack up comparing his performance in his era to others in theirs? Yzerman is as strong an argument for that spot as Dionne or Esposito. The real question is...where did you come up with Jagr? Jagr was never more than a scoring forward who is a defensive liability. Although he won awards for scoring, he was less dominant on the ice in his prime than Yzerman was. Playing with Mario Lemieux AND Ron Francis on his line Jagr managed a career high of 149 points. Yzerman reached 155 with Gallant and Probert. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Why would Robitaille be on the list? He played for Detroit just 2 seasons, and the second one sucked. On a side note, it seems the guy couldn't think of anymore older Wings to put on the list, so he just threw Kronwall and Franzen on the list out of the blue, as current players he could actually name. Fair enough. Disappointed not to see Aaron Downey on the list! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 No love for Leino here, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 No Pertr Klima either huge goal scorer in the late 80's others like Lapointe and Glen Hanlon too could have been in the 40-50 range Overall they got it right the captain had to be first Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 I forgot all about Marty Barry, how is he not on this list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 No Reed Larson either? As far as the Yzerman/Howe thing goes...as much as I like Stevie Y, only one of those guys would be on the Mt.Rushmore of hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 No Pertr Klima either huge goal scorer in the late 80's others like Lapointe and Glen Hanlon too could have been in the 40-50 range Overall they got it right the captain had to be first Hanlon was a veteran goaltender who played his last couple years in Detroit. Hardly noteworthy. In just the last thirty years he would fall behind Osgood, Vernon, Hasek, Cheveldae, Joseph, Legace, Howard, and probably Stefan if you only include starters. You could argue Ty Conklin, Vincent Riendeau, and possibly even Kevin Hodson from the backups. That would rank Hanlon anywhere from 8th to 12th in THIRTY YEARS. Not worth noting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Hanlon was a veteran goaltender who played his last couple years in Detroit. Hardly noteworthy. In just the last thirty years he would fall behind Osgood, Vernon, Hasek, Cheveldae, Joseph, Legace, Howard, and probably Stefan if you only include starters. You could argue Ty Conklin, Vincent Riendeau, and possibly even Kevin Hodson from the backups. That would rank Hanlon anywhere from 8th to 12th in THIRTY YEARS. Not worth noting. Hanlon actually got Detroit to the conference finals in the late 80's.... That automatically puts him over Joseph, Legace, Cheveldae, Hodson, Conklin,Riendeau.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 No Reed Larson either? As far as the Yzerman/Howe thing goes...as much as I like Stevie Y, only one of those guys would be on the Mt.Rushmore of hockey. Larson was on the list, unless I'm imagining things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Larson was on the list, unless I'm imagining things. no - you're right. aparrently i am the one imagining things or the lack of things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted April 5, 2011 Thanks to that photo of Nick Libett, I'm planning on having a bad nightmare soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites