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#161 Konnan511

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 12:55 PM

Because he'll be scratched anyways in such a hypothetical series? :hehe:


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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:02 PM

I think the Wings can beat any team in the playoffs if they stick to consistency and their game.


That is what I think of the Wings, Sharks, Nucks, Preds, Caps and Pens. Every one of those teams can be terrifyingly formidable against any other team in the NHL... IF they actually show up, play for 60 minutes and consistently stick to their game. In addition to weaknesses which can be exploited, every one of those teams has the proven ability not to show up, not to play for 60 full minutes, to be taken off their game - and to not have the luck factor working in their favor.

The way the LA/SJ series has gone so far, I consider the Sharks very lucky not to be climbing back from a 3-0 deficit to what is arguably, generally speaking, a statistically inferior team. I do think that the Sharks subconsciously underestimated LA (all expressed sentiments to the contrary notwithstanding), and LA's ability to pull out all the stops, NOT underestimate their opponent, and step up their game in a way that clearly took the Sharks off theirs. I'm not worried about that, any more than I would feel overly confident had the Sharks simply mowed the Kings over as so many predicted when their match up was set.

ALL teams are beatable. Every last stinking one of them, regardless of their stats, depth, grit, or whatever. Furthermore, I believe that "underdog" status (not fan sentiment, but true underdog status, as it is actually felt by players on both teams) can be a serious motivator for the proverbial tortoise in the race, and a subconscious under-pacing mechanism (demotivator) for the proverbial hare.

The Sharks have been lucky so far, but I recognize that luck is a factor in every game, every series, and its a knife that cuts in every direction. And it can run in streaks, good or bad. You can "be superior" and outplay a team by nearly every metric and still lose to cruel, blind, bumbling luck, as a dozen good pucks are miraculously stopped, while a few luckies and softies find their way into the back of the net. A team that shows up and stays consistent only cuts down the luck factor, but NO team can eliminate it entirely. I recognize that luck was involved in San Jose's first upset over Detroit in the playoffs so many years ago. Detroit was not only favored, but was clearly the better team at that time. But the balance of luck was in San Jose's favor, just as it could as easily have been seen in the Kings' win column favor in all three of the last games. They don't call them heart-breakers for nothing!

In the end, a team has to win four games per series, and I see that luck can factor heavily into that. That has to be done four times straight to win a Cup, of course, which certainly cuts heavily into luck's role. But it never eliminates luck entirely (as we've seen from so many game 7's of the SCF that could have just as easily gone the other way).

One thing is for sure: the LA/SJ series hasn't just been "wonky", as was stated earlier - it's been quite something to witness, and the last one was one for the books for sure! THAT kind of excitement is what I want and expect out of the playoffs, and what I hope for more than anything, should the Sharks advance to face the Wings. I don't hope that my team shows up and the other doesn't. That's as mindless and stupid as those who (secretly or openly) hope for injuries to the other team. What a cowardly hope that is. Not for me. Hollow out some other victory, for some other team, because that isn't what I want at all. Otherwise, why not just hope that someone shoots tranquilizer darts in the opposing team, so that we can just slaughter them easily and move on? Ooh. Yah. Yeay team.

It is no secret that McClellan patterned the Sharks' game play strategies to match well against the Wings. Specifically. If and when we face the Wings, and I can't wait for that, I want both teams to show up, and for BOTH to stay on their VERY BEST GAME. I want both teams to play for a full 60 minutes, each and every game. In such games, I can't predict the victor, or the outcome of the series, or even what the balance of luck will be, but I could not ask for better than that. That would be hockey at its finest, where even the so-called "luck" will be an exciting part of the game, win or lose.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:23 PM

I am pulling hard for the Kings here. I'd love for them to make things interesting.
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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:08 PM

Sure, assuming that by 'interesting' you mean different, unexpected, or unlikely - an unlikely series victory for an underdog and its future match with other statistically superior teams is interesting. However, strictly in that same vein, it only continues to be interesting if they then eliminated the Wings and went on to pull two more series upsets to finally win the Cup. And while I would find that interesting, I am quite sure you are not pulling for them to that end. BUT, you have to admit, that would be interesting!

What would not have been so interesting, to me, is if the Kings found a way to advance, only to be easily eliminated in the very next round. Desirable to you, I'm absolutely sure, but not so interesting (and by your criteria). That happens all the time. Run of the mill stuff, in fact, playoff-wise. That's kind of what happened last year, as the Sharks eliminated the Wings, but went on to be defeated by the eventual Stanley Cup champions. I'm sure there had to be a sting in that, and I can also see where that would be not-so-interesting. The fact that a Sharks advance means a repeat Sharks/Wings Semifinals is something I DO find interesting!

It would not have been all that interesting to me if the Coyotes had found a way to eliminate the Wings, which is one of the reasons I did not pull for them. The Coyotes would have been an easier match for the Sharks than the Wings, for sure, but an easier skate to the Cup tends to hollow out the victory, as I alluded before.

I find the old rivalries and battles of the Titans far more interesting, save for one exception, and that is when a true underdog finds a way to go the entire distance, and leaves all the classic Titans in the dust. That leaves me with a quandary, because if the Coyotes had advanced, and then went on to eliminate the Sharks and eventually win the Cup, I would have to find that interesting!

Strange thing for me, as both a Sharks and a Wings fan: I don't want the Kings to beat the Sharks, of course, and I normally wouldn't want them to beat the Wings. If they do beat the Sharks, however, I would still pull for the Wings, but I would find it beyond interesting if they found a way to beat everyone else in their path.

So my question to you, and to clarify what you meant by 'interesting': could you pull for the Kings if they found a way to beat the Sharks and then on to beat the Wings? I could.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 04:03 PM

7 overtimes with the Kings winning

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 05:37 PM

I understand what he means by interesting.
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Posted 21 April 2011 - 06:27 PM

Wings play winner of this series ?
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Posted 21 April 2011 - 06:38 PM

Wings play winner of this series ?


No. We only play Sharks if they win. If Kings win, we'll play either Ducks or Preds... assuming, of course, Nucks beat Chicago.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 10:21 PM

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 10:44 PM

clowe scores early in the 2nd... 1-0 sharkies

Demers now scores 2-0

clowe scores again 3-0... peace out kings (hopefully i jinxed them lol)

RICHARDSON scores! 3-1

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:09 PM

Kings score again! 3-2!

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:11 PM

lol hope the sharks blow the lead this time :P

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:40 PM

Thornton scores... 4-2

Pavelski now scores... 5-2

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 12:08 AM

Quick is hopeless in the playoffs.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 12:20 AM

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 03:53 AM

If and when we face the Wings, and I can't wait for that, I want both teams to show up, and for BOTH to stay on their VERY BEST GAME. I want both teams to play for a full 60 minutes, each and every game. In such games, I can't predict the victor, or the outcome of the series, or even what the balance of luck will be, but I could not ask for better than that. That would be hockey at its finest, where even the so-called "luck" will be an exciting part of the game, win or lose.


Exactly how I feel about it. Every time both the Wings and Sharks have shown up, the games have been breathtakingly great hockey. I am decidedly not a wings fan, however I must admit I LOVE watching them play when they are on top of their game. It's beautiful to watch and I have an immense respect for the entire organization. Why wouldn't you want to model your own team structure after the wings? Looking forward to the matchup if it happens.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 04:09 AM

Exactly how I feel about it. Every time both the Wings and Sharks have shown up, the games have been breathtakingly great hockey. I am decidedly not a wings fan, however I must admit I LOVE watching them play when they are on top of their game. It's beautiful to watch and I have an immense respect for the entire organization. Why wouldn't you want to model your own team structure after the wings? Looking forward to the matchup if it happens.


Looking forward to the refereeing being leagues better than last year, if the matchup happens. Sharks fans seem to routinely forget that the horrid officiating won them two games.

Last year's series also led me to utterly lose respect for Todd McLellan, who was perfectly willing to let his players flop and dive like fishes.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 09:11 AM

No. We only play Sharks if they win. If Kings win, we'll play either Ducks or Preds... assuming, of course, Nucks beat Chicago.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:23 AM

Joe Thornton blowing kisses to his fans (according to him) was priceless. The Sharks are likely to advance now and if they play the Wings I think it will be the best matchup of the second round. Their depth is causing problems for the Kings and is why they win games.
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Posted 22 April 2011 - 10:42 AM

Joe Thornton blowing kisses to his fans (according to him) was priceless. The Sharks are likely to advance now and if they play the Wings I think it will be the best matchup of the second round. Their depth is causing problems for the Kings and is why they win games.


The Sharks can't win with Niemi. He has an .877 save percentage and a 3.63 GAA. This is against a Kings team with their top goal scorer out. The Wings will light him up.

Exactly how I feel about it. Every time both the Wings and Sharks have shown up, the games have been breathtakingly great hockey. I am decidedly not a wings fan, however I must admit I LOVE watching them play when they are on top of their game. It's beautiful to watch and I have an immense respect for the entire organization. Why wouldn't you want to model your own team structure after the wings? Looking forward to the matchup if it happens.



So when does Niemi elevate his play so that he is "on top of his game" because a sub .900 save percentage isn't going to cut it against a Wings team that averaged 4.5 GAA in the first round.
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