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#101 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 02:51 PM

Schneider was a flop because the Wings didn't win the Cup with him? He was very good for the Wings, and one of the league's best defensemen. You forget that the Wings also lost Hasek (and others) after the 02 Cup, and while Joseph was good he was not Hasek. Hatcher, otoh, was a massive flop. Modano is already a huge success compared to Hatcher.

Agreed. Schneider put up 40 to 50 points a season with the Wings, was their #2 dman and a key component of the puck moving defense. If that's a flop there's a hell of a lot of players who've been flops on the Wings. The fact that Holland went out and got a very similar style defenseman in Rafalski only shows how valuable he thought Schneider was to the Wing's success.

As for Hatcher, yeah he was a flop. I was looking forward to the Wings having someone big and nasty on the blueline, but it didn't work out. Hatch was never fast, but once he blew his ACL he went from slow to stationary.

I wouldn't call Modano a huge success, but not as big of a flop as Hatcher. The thing is, Hatcher was at least a player we could've used. Modano hasn't offered anything the Wings didn't already have.

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:07 PM

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:12 PM

Agreed. Schneider put up 40 to 50 points a season with the Wings, was their #2 dman and a key component of the puck moving defense. If that's a flop there's a hell of a lot of players who've been flops on the Wings. The fact that Holland went out and got a very similar style defenseman in Rafalski only shows how valuable he thought Schneider was to the Wing's success.

As for Hatcher, yeah he was a flop. I was looking forward to the Wings having someone big and nasty on the blueline, but it didn't work out. Hatch was never fast, but once he blew his ACL he went from slow to stationary.

I wouldn't call Modano a huge success, but not as big of a flop as Hatcher. The thing is, Hatcher was at least a player we could've used. Modano hasn't offered anything the Wings didn't already have.

THANK you!! I said this when the signing frenzy was going on. Modano is not really a flop to me because I never expected anything from him. In fact, he's probably overachieved. :)
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#104 BamaWing

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:15 PM

I'm ready for to get this new season started. LGW

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:25 PM

Wow i just noticed modano is scratched interesting

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:28 PM

Let's Go Red Wings!
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:06 PM

:siren: :siren: :siren: Wuuuhuuu .. WE WIN BIG TONIGHT!! :siren: :siren: :siren:

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:08 PM

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Keep on keepin' on! One of the better pre-game GDT's I've seen going in some time.

The nerves are going nuts but I have faith, as I always do, in our boys to get the job done.


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#109 eva unit zero

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:10 PM

As for Hatcher, yeah he was a flop. I was looking forward to the Wings having someone big and nasty on the blueline, but it didn't work out. Hatch was never fast, but once he blew his ACL he went from slow to stationary.

I wouldn't call Modano a huge success, but not as big of a flop as Hatcher. The thing is, Hatcher was at least a player we could've used. Modano hasn't offered anything the Wings didn't already have.


I said Modano was a huge success compared to Hatcher, which is true. Hatcher was worthless to the Wings, while Modano had a good stretch early on.

That said, I was never in favor of either signing. Modano because the Wings were already overloaded at forward and Modano didn't provide anything, and Hatcher because while it's nice to add him in theory, he was way too slow (pre-injury) for the Wings' system and didn't have the puck skills. If it were Kevin Hatcher at 31 (Derian Hatcher's age at the time of the signing) it would have been a great signing - Kevin was among the league's top offensive defensemen and had a big shot, was a huge physical force, a strong defensive presence, and one of the ten best defensemen in the league when he was 31. Add that to the Wings in 2003 instead of Derian and it's a whole different dynamic.

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:18 PM

Lost post before I'm off to the Joe. GO WINGS

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:18 PM

Tonight's referees are Paul Devorski and Steve Kozari
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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:39 PM

I cannot believe the playoffs are already here, and starting in less than 1 1/2 hours. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm staying up for the vancouver/chicago games as well. That one should be just as entertaining.
U GUYS ARE FUKIN ANYOING IM GONNA COME DOWN THERE AND KILL ALL YALL THE ONLY THING THAT SAVED UR TEAM WAS OSGOOD AND OSSGOOD SUKS 2 JUST LIKE UR WHOLE FUKIN TEAM I HOPE U HEARD THIS AND THINK CAUSE ALL I GOT TO SAY TO U IS UR A BUNCH OF FUKIN IDIOTS BARONS A HOOSER CUSE HE WENT TO UR TEAM AND I HOPE U GUYS SHOULD SEND UR TEAM TO ANOTHER CITY CAUSE U GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF FUKIN WHINERS GO CANUCKS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- A canucks fan on stltoday.com

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#113 HankthaTank

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:47 PM

Last post and on my way. Everybody enjoy the game!!!!

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#114 Mors

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:03 PM

Schneider was a flop because the Wings didn't win the Cup with him? He was very good for the Wings, and one of the league's best defensemen. You forget that the Wings also lost Hasek (and others) after the 02 Cup, and while Joseph was good he was not Hasek. Hatcher, otoh, was a massive flop. Modano is already a huge success compared to Hatcher.

A voice of reason in reference to Schneider, people constantly seem to forget that he was excellent for the Wings during his time here.

Edited by Mors, 13 April 2011 - 05:04 PM.


#115 10 Minute Misconduct

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:06 PM

Sucks the games not on CBC here. Stupid pens game will have to watch a stream.

I think the Wings win this 3-2, will be close.

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:13 PM

4-3 Wings is my prediction.

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#117 pvilleguru

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:19 PM

today has felt like christmas.

#118 Yc172

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:23 PM

NEED HELP FAST!!

anyone know where I can get a live stream of the game? I'm desperate here in class without access to a tv.
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#119 8 Legged RedWing

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:25 PM

:siren: :siren: :siren: Wuuuhuuu .. WE WIN BIG TONIGHT!! :siren: :siren: :siren:

..after all it's my birthday


Happy Birthday! It's my brothers birthday as well :siren:

#120 Yak19

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 05:33 PM

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