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[Hockeytown0001]

He was easily the Coyotes MVP througout the season, but he really struggled in the four game sweep against Detroit. Cleary's winner was basically a nutshell of how the series went for him. Let's say the Coyotes do stay in Phoenix - will Bryzgalov be a part of their team next season? How much could he command on the open market this off-season?

[RedLightGoesOn]

As you said, Bryz is their best player. Very often does his play in net determine if the Coyotes win or lose, and that is not the best thing to have. The Coyotes will have to make it worth his while to stay in Phoenix, because they don't have a chance in hell without him or another goaltender of equal skill/quality. Does he want the money or will he take a little less to play for a contender? Let's be honest the Yotes are not contenders right now. He's the only guy who knows that.

[Majsheppard]

If he wants money, it has to be Phoenix. He really just dropped his value down, and with the trends in goaltending no one wants to pay a tender 5+ million. I once thought TB would make a move on him or Volks, but I don't think 5 million dollars is going to be dealt out.

Bryz will want to make more money than now, and he just played himself into a paycut... I think he might be waiting a while for a job if he decides he is sick of the Desert.

[Hockeytown0001]

If he wants money, it has to be Phoenix. He really just dropped his value down, and with the trends in goaltending no one wants to pay a tender 5+ million. I once thought TB would make a move on him or Volks, but I don't think 5 million dollars is going to be dealt out.

Bryz will want to make more money than now, and he just played himself into a paycut... I think he might be waiting a while for a job if he decides he is sick of the Desert.

He sure seemed like Doan last night, upset and not wanting to leave the ice. Whether that has to do with being disappointed that the season was over or being upset that Phoenix might not have a team next season, I don't know.

[Opie]

Short Answer:
I don't blame Bryz nearly as much as his D. They almost never helped him out.

Long Answer:
There are very few game changing netminders in the playoffs, Luongo & Miller. The rest is a talented group, but have never been great for as long of periods as these two.

Bryz was close to getting there, but he has to be the team, he comes up clutch in the Reg season, but in the playoffs too many goals are ugly garbage goals where he could have used a D-man to pull it off the line, or not kick one in.

He can't count on his team when things break down, most of their d-men are offensive minded, adding to the problem.

But look around the playoffs(no particular order):
Price
Rinne
Howard
Quick
Thomas
etc...

None of those names jump out at you(Post season play I am talking about), that was what gave me confidence in the Wings riding Howard, he fits in that group just fine, some may be a little better, some are a little worse.

But the teams that worried me were Van and Pho (in the west) because of the netminding.

But again no one helped Bryz.

The point to this rant, I expected a lot from Bryz, and for the most part he was out of his mind.
He was stellar, until the play broke down and when he needed his D to step up they failed.

Cleary's goal was an epitome of that. Clears is in the zone in the corner of the boards with 3 defenders around him and the Wings in the middle of a line change(Bert's getting to the bench was a funny clip btw).
No one goes after Cleary, you can tell Bryz thinks there is a Wing on the back door as he is sliding over there once Cleary shoots.
If a defender plays Cleary, does the play work out differently, who knows.

The Bert goal as well. Bert made a good move behind the net, but the Pho defender tried to play the puck instead of Bert.
Bert wraps the puck around the net, Bryz covers the net and the shot is going wide, until a Yote D-man kicks it in. Ok maybe it hit his skate, but still.

Bryz had them in the game stoning Bert especially many times. Then their play in their own zone broke down. Too me they were far to worried about the break out pass as opposed to defending their zone.

[Heaten]

Bryz really should take a pay cut and come to Detroit. Holland should pursue him in the offseason and make it happen. Having two number 1's is never a bad thing. Split time and have a friendly competition between the two. As for the postseason, Bryz's confidence was as good as the team in front of him. He'd excel with a Wings jersey on.

$3.5 million per for 5 years seem fair to play for a cup contender every year?

[Hockeytown0001]

Bryz really should take a pay cut and come to Detroit. Holland should pursue him in the offseason and make it happen. Having two number 1's is never a bad thing. Split time and have a friendly competition between the two. As for the postseason, Bryz's confidence was as good as the team in front of him. He'd excel with a Wings jersey on.

$3.5 million per for 5 years seem fair to play for a cup contender every year?

That would mean bidding goodbye to Osgood. *waits for goalie war*

[Heaten]

That would mean bidding goodbye to Osgood. *waits for goalie war*

Osgood and Modano, actually. That would free up $3 million. Also, Draper will have to take a pay cut (currently making $1.5million). Mursak and Emmerton are ready to play or be lost to waivers...

Abby and Helm are 3rd liners now. Mursak and Emmerton can take 4th line duties...

[CAredwingsfan91]

Osgood and Modano, actually. That would free up $3 million. Also, Draper will have to take a pay cut (currently making $1.5million). Mursak and Emmerton are ready to play or be lost to waivers...

Abby and Helm are 3rd liners now. Mursak and Emmerton can take 4th line duties...

GOD FORBID but if Lidstrom retires wouldn't that free up another 7 mil? i was hoping we could go after big buff but flippin atlanta locked him up for good.

Edited by CAredwingsfan91, 21 April 2011 - 11:02 AM.

[evilzyme]

I don't think we have enough room for a 3+ mil goalie, if he honestly wants a chance at the cup Detroit is obviously the number one choice, being cup contenders here for well about a decade. If they do infact go to Winnipeg i'm not sure if Doan will follow, even though it was his drafted team and played for the Jet's before they became the Yotes. Although, having good friends would be nice too, pavel and bryz

[Firehawk]

Bryz really should take a pay cut and come to Detroit. Holland should pursue him in the offseason and make it happen. Having two number 1's is never a bad thing. Split time and have a friendly competition between the two. As for the postseason, Bryz's confidence was as good as the team in front of him. He'd excel with a Wings jersey on.

$3.5 million per for 5 years seem fair to play for a cup contender every year?

Would not mind having him but most number 1 goalies have a problem sharing or taking a back seat.

I felt bad for Bryz. At times the Wings made him look bad but the Phoenix team in general was vastly inferior to Detroit. Phoenix had good work ethic but not much talent, at least not compared to a seasoned lineup like Detroit. How do you stop a team that 13 different goal scorers hurt you in 4 games?

Guys keep in mind Homer is getting older as well and we will definitely need to find a replacement for him. He's a key to the wings offense. I would actually have liked to pick up Bufoogaly googaly when he got traded or released whatever, from Chicago. Price tag was too high though, but invaluable player.

When they let him go (chicago) i couldn't believe it.

[Heaten]

I don't think we have enough room for a 3+ mil goalie, if he honestly wants a chance at the cup Detroit is obviously the number one choice, being cup contenders here for well about a decade. If they do infact go to Winnipeg i'm not sure if Doan will follow, even though it was his drafted team and played for the Jet's before they became the Yotes. Although, having good friends would be nice too, pavel and bryz

Why?

Wings have a lot of money coming off the books and have league minimum salaries coming in (Mursak and Emmerton) to fill those spots. If Mursak and Emmerton don't play, then Wings can lose them to waivers. They are too good to lose, especially Mursak. The kid reminds me of a Helm with hands and a goal scorers touch. Emmerton not too sure about.. he's definently an energy player that can score goals, too. Mursak and Emmerton have good chemistry together.

[eva unit zero]

Bryzgalov doesn't want to go to Winnipeg; if he leaves Phoenix (regardless of whether the team moves) he may end up on the Isles, in New Jersey if Brodeur decides to retire, or perhaps on the Lightning.

If the Yotes move back to Winnipeg, who wants to bet on a trade that sees Khabibulin move back to the Jets?

[matt198913]

That would mean bidding goodbye to Osgood. *waits for goalie war*

He could be great with Howard in the regular season. Howard would still be the number 1 though

[mjlegend]

The Wings didn't just sign Howard to two years, $2.25 million/ year to get a 60-65 game UFA goaltender who will command no less than $4 million this offseason.

Next year, I think we'll have Howard and one of Osgood/Conklin at a $1 million or less cap hit.

I think he (Bryzgalov) stays with the organziation. They're a 75-point team without him and Maloney knows it.

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Edited by mjlegend, 21 April 2011 - 11:39 AM.

[matt198913]

The Wings didn't just sign Howard to two years, $2.25 million/ year to get a 60-65 game UFA goaltender who will command no less than $4 million this offseason.

Next year, I think we'll have Howard and one of Osgood/Conklin at a $1 million or less cap hit.

I think he (Bryzgalov) stays with the organziation. They're a 75-point team without him and Maloney knows it.

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What about Nabokov

[ACallToArms]

That would mean bidding goodbye to Osgood. *waits for goalie war*

My bet is that he's going to retire during the off season.

[mjlegend]

What about Nabokov

Your New York Islanders starting goaltender, 2011-12.

Seriously, I don't think he'll ever play for the Wings.

[Crymson]

Long Answer:
There are very few game changing netminders in the playoffs, Luongo & Miller. The rest is a talented group, but have never been great for as long of periods as these two.

... both of whom have had some horrendous games thus far.

[Firehawk]

... both of whom have had some horrendous games thus far.

Uhh yeah both of those goalies have done jack s*** in the playoffs, so until they win a cup the verdict is out on both of those goalies, Luongo and Miller.

I still think Luongo is overrated. We'll see this year.