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#21 Wing Across The Pond

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:18 PM

the orca whalee is stupid, the parent company just puts there logo on the jerseys? stupid. you dont see illitch putting the pizza pizza guy on the wings jerseys.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:26 PM

also they boo bert for no reason, he played some amazing hockey for the nucks and he soesnt get any respect for it the guy made one mistake. yes i know some stupid wings fans hate fedorov and what not, but those are just ignorant people with no respect.


I honestly haven't heard the Bertuzzi boos.. the general sentiment towards Big Bert as I understand it is quite positive.


but we can all agree on one thing.....f*** the hawks!!


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:39 PM

personally the only reason I hate the Canucks is because I post on hfboards a lot

and I am simply sick of hearing about them so much

Edited by ricky0034, 27 April 2011 - 05:40 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:43 PM

I don't hate the Canucks at all. Personally, I hate the Sharks and their fans more than the Canucks and their fans. This might be that I was in attendance for the sharks and kings game 4 last Thursday in Staples Center, and a group of shark fans were being really annoying and rowdy. Granted, I know there are a few bad apples in every bunch, but the Shark HfBoards area is just a bamboozle - fest against the Red Wings already. The Shark fans are already calling Wing fans out as too confident and pompous. Whereas, I was able to have a civil discussion with Canuck fans on their HfBoards after the game 6 "debacle" if you want to call it. The Canuck fans were much nicer to me, even in a dark and troubling time for them. :ranting:
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:44 PM

Don't have a problem with them at all, they're an awesome team and they have a hometown boy on their team (Kesler). I think most people just wanted them to lose because it would knock out a strong team and one of the favorites to win the whole thing.

If the Wings don't win, I want Vancouver to because that city deserves a cup.

Edited by Trapt1307, 27 April 2011 - 05:45 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:47 PM

I separate teams from fans. I hate most fans and hate very few teams. I like the Canucks, except for 7uongo. The fans? Meh.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:08 PM

The Canucks brought in Mark Messier as a free agent signing, paying him a ridiclous amount of money. Despite the fact he was well loved by players and fans, and had established his tenure as captain with the team for nearly a decade. The forced captaincy of Messier also led to friction in the dressing room and between coach and players; most players supported the idea of Linden as captain, and he was the team's leader, but the organization wanted Messier to be the captain and leader. Ultimately, Keenan grew angry at Linden for effectively disrupting the dressing room, largely brought on by a severe loss to the Blues which Keenan openly blamed on Linden. Linden was traded shortly after for Bertuzzi and McCabe.

The Canucks traded franchise cornerstone goaltender Kirk McLean for basically nothing due simply to the fact that, despite the fact he was playing as well as he had for the past decade, his partner (Arturs Irbe) was playing better. The Nucks got Sean Burke back in the deal, and Burke flopped; so Keenan had to go out and get a new goaltender at the deadline; Garth Snow. Irbe was on a one-year deal and the Nucks were unable to keep him, so they ended up with Snow as the starter for the next season and Corey Hirsch made a triumphant return to Vancouver's backup spot. The season after that would see Kevin Weekes, who had played mininal time the previous year, up as Snow's backup until he was traded for a new starter; Felix Potvin. The next season, of course, saw Bob Essensa take over the starting job, Vancouver shipping Potvin out and the Canucks trading away their best defenseman (Adrian Aucoin) for a backup goaltender in Dan Cloutier. McLean retired at the end of that year, having provided better goaltending both in Vancouver and outside of Vancouver than any goaltender the Canucks attempted to replace him with.

And of course, finally, there's the entitlement factor. Canucks fans, and Canadian fans in general, have this attitude of entitlement to all things hockey, to winning, and feel as if a great injustice has been done when their team loses. It's the same attitude that prompts the "Where was he in Winnipeg or Quebec?" comments about Bettman trying to save the Coyotes in Phoenix.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:22 PM

I have no problem with Vancouver. Kesler is the man

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:26 PM

The Canucks brought in Mark Messier as a free agent signing, paying him a ridiclous amount of money. Despite the fact he was well loved by players and fans, and had established his tenure as captain with the team for nearly a decade. The forced captaincy of Messier also led to friction in the dressing room and between coach and players; most players supported the idea of Linden as captain, and he was the team's leader, but the organization wanted Messier to be the captain and leader. Ultimately, Keenan grew angry at Linden for effectively disrupting the dressing room, largely brought on by a severe loss to the Blues which Keenan openly blamed on Linden. Linden was traded shortly after for Bertuzzi and McCabe.

The Canucks traded franchise cornerstone goaltender Kirk McLean for basically nothing due simply to the fact that, despite the fact he was playing as well as he had for the past decade, his partner (Arturs Irbe) was playing better. The Nucks got Sean Burke back in the deal, and Burke flopped; so Keenan had to go out and get a new goaltender at the deadline; Garth Snow. Irbe was on a one-year deal and the Nucks were unable to keep him, so they ended up with Snow as the starter for the next season and Corey Hirsch made a triumphant return to Vancouver's backup spot. The season after that would see Kevin Weekes, who had played mininal time the previous year, up as Snow's backup until he was traded for a new starter; Felix Potvin. The next season, of course, saw Bob Essensa take over the starting job, Vancouver shipping Potvin out and the Canucks trading away their best defenseman (Adrian Aucoin) for a backup goaltender in Dan Cloutier. McLean retired at the end of that year, having provided better goaltending both in Vancouver and outside of Vancouver than any goaltender the Canucks attempted to replace him with.

And of course, finally, there's the entitlement factor. Canucks fans, and Canadian fans in general, have this attitude of entitlement to all things hockey, to winning, and feel as if a great injustice has been done when their team loses. It's the same attitude that prompts the "Where was he in Winnipeg or Quebec?" comments about Bettman trying to save the Coyotes in Phoenix.


I'm not sure how the first 2 paragraphs about what poor management decisions (hindsight, even) has to do with Red Wings fans hating the Canucks? Are the Canucks the only team to have transactions occur that didn't work out in their favor?

As for your last paragraph.. I think your stereotyping says more about you than it does about Canadian fans. :-/ Honestly, most true Canuck fans are depressed and pessimistic, and require a therapist to overcome the heartache we've watched as we've lived and (by a large majority) died with the team over the years. All we're looking for is that one ray of light to make the past 40 years of suffering worthwhile. We don't know the feeling of success and victory. And, like any Canadian team, there is nothing we want more in this world. It is pretty painful to watch expansion teams win whose city barely care about hockey.

Edited by KeslerFan, 27 April 2011 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:32 PM

If the Wings don't win, I want Vancouver to because that city deserves a cup.


They deserve nothing.

That said, Cyclone Taylor led Vancouver to a Stanley Cup win in 1915.

Let's bring up the list of remaining teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs in cities that have not won it:

Nashville
San Jose
Washington

That's three. If you want to count Vancouver because it was a pre-NHL Cup win, fine, make it four. But in what way does Vancouver deserve the Cup more? Because it's a Canadian city? San Jose has a huge fan base, Nashville and Washington have pretty decent followings. Vancouver no more deserves the cup than those cities do.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:36 PM

They deserve nothing.

That said, Cyclone Taylor led Vancouver to a Stanley Cup win in 1915.

Let's bring up the list of remaining teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs in cities that have not won it:

Nashville
San Jose
Washington

That's three. If you want to count Vancouver because it was a pre-NHL Cup win, fine, make it four. But in what way does Vancouver deserve the Cup more? Because it's a Canadian city? San Jose has a huge fan base, Nashville and Washington have pretty decent followings. Vancouver no more deserves the cup than those cities do.


Because a hell of a lot more people in Vancouver care about the Canucks than any of those cities care about their hockey team. Nashville and Washington would have parking lot parades. It would be like the Lions winning a Superbowl here. Sure a lot of people like the Wings, but the Lions are way more popular.

Edited by Trapt1307, 27 April 2011 - 06:38 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:37 PM

I don't, and am not sure about the general nature of your observation.

truth being said, it's often difficult to find sympathy towards Canadian teams once their fanbases start proclaiming "this is the year"
and keep yapping about whatever calls refs missed. Leafs fans used to be particularly brutal with this (every season between 1998-2005
they proclaimed Maple Laughs cup winners around mid-February), and now that they suck it's Nucks fans who do most of such stuff.
I'm far from imputing this is any majority of fans, because most Nucks fans are nice and passionate ppl, but it's difficult to escape this hype.
I can easily imagine other fans having similar feelings towards Wings hype in 2002 for example.


I think this nails it on the head... I found myself rooting for Chicago yesterday because of this.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:40 PM

I honestly don't hate the Canucks or their fans. They are a good team and I'd love to beat them, thats about it. Certainly doesn't make the list of teams that make my blood boil (Blackhawks, Pens, Ducks)

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:43 PM

Not really sure where this is coming from, if it is just from a single thread on here or another forum or what not.

Every sports base has their a'holes, take it for what it's worth.

I have zero issues with the Canucks.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:47 PM

I'm not sure how the first 2 paragraphs about what poor management decisions (hindsight, even) has to do with Red Wings fans hating the Canucks? Are the Canucks the only team to have transactions occur that didn't work out in their favor?

As for your last paragraph.. I think your stereotyping says more about you than it does about Canadian fans. :-/ Honestly, most true Canuck fans are depressed and pessimistic, and require a therapist to overcome the heartache we've watched as we've lived and (by a large majority) died with the team over the years. All we're looking for is that one ray of light to make the past 40 years of suffering worthwhile. We don't know the feeling of success and victory. And, like any Canadian team, there is nothing we want more in this world. It is pretty painful to watch expansion teams win whose city barely care about hockey.


You say the Canucks want to model themselves after the Wings. The Wings have had so much success over the years because the organization has treated their players right; not simply discarded them if they weren't perfect or if they didn't fit the ideal. And don't give me that "one ray of light" bulls***. The Wings won the Cup in 1997 after a 42 year drought. You're thinking "But they just went to the finals right before that!" Yeah, they did. For the first time in 29 years. And up until the few years before the Cup wins, the Wings were perenially the league's doormat. Vancouver has at least been a competitive club with playoff chances. Did Wings fans in the mid 1990s act like they deserved a Cup? Like we were owed one? No. How about Chicago fans? They had some great teams in the early 90s; with a little luck they could have had back-to-backs in 1992 and 1993. But you're busy complaining about the fact that true Canuck fans need therapy for their depression because the team didn't win the Cup last year, or the year before that... and maybe they need to all be put on suicide watch for the duration of the playoffs! Gimme a break.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:48 PM

Great.... another fan base that thinks they have a rivalry with us.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:56 PM

The Wings have no more and no fewer Canuck hating fans than any other organization. That said, there are massive numbers of Canuck haters in the NHL world of fans, why I've never understood but why sweat that? The funniest aspect of those who complain on this forum about Canuck fans is that they are themselves what they claim to hate most, excessively obnoxious. On other hand, if you ignore those who routinely resort to the most childish rhetoric this fan forum does have some of the best informed fans in the league... at least I think so.

Edited by aMonster, 27 April 2011 - 06:57 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:57 PM

Great.... another fan base that thinks they have a rivalry with us.



If you read my post, you will see I don't believe the Canucks have a rivalry with the Wings (in fact, I pointed out that we don't really have much of a playoff history with one another, nor did either team do anything significant to warrant anger such as dirty plays, etc).



But you're busy complaining about the fact that true Canuck fans need therapy for their depression because the team didn't win the Cup last year, or the year before that... and maybe they need to all be put on suicide watch for the duration of the playoffs! Gimme a break.


Busy complaining? Wow. I'm not interested in allowing you to twist my words anymore to let you take out your anger on me, but I will categorize your hate for the Canucks to be based on a couple poor management decisions on hockey transactions that you take personally. I asked a question and will not judge your answer.

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Edited by KeslerFan, 27 April 2011 - 06:59 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:57 PM

Great.... another fan base that thinks they have a rivalry with us.


:lol:

Its funny cause its true!

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:59 PM

the orca whalee is stupid, the parent company just puts there logo on the jerseys? stupid. you dont see illitch putting the pizza pizza guy on the wings jerseys.

case in point, those who cant spell whale and still think a hockey sweater is called a jersey :D





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