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[dragonballgtz]

Reasons why Wings are down 0-2

Wings are playing with zero heart overall
They only care about the game when there is 10 minutes or so left

[mjtm77]

the wings are down 2-0 because we lost two games

[sandyeggo wingnut]

Helm needs to put the short handed breakaway into the back of the net.

[HOCKEY MATTERS]

The Wings are back to what they did most of the season. They aren't playing the boards in either end. They just kind of hover around (very pylon-like) hoping to intercept a pass or block a shot. The opposition gets way too many shots on goal, and since the Wings can't control the puck in their own end, they can't clear it. When they do attempt to clear it, it's a weak-assed pass that usually ends up with yet another shot on J-Ho. Getting into the Ozone is a problem, too. All this means, imho, is that our boys are playing lazy and they suck. If they don't pull their heads out of their collective butts, they will be swinging clubs.

I should note that the Wings most certainly can turn this around. If not, Jack is going to tell them that they "smell".

[Grypho]

Wings are playing with zero heart overall
They only care about the game when there is 10 minutes or so left

It makes me sick to hear that, because I think the Wings played with nothing but heart, and expended nothing but whatever fumes they had remaining in their tank at the end. I DO NOT BUY that ANY player on a team that work sof****** hard to get where they are "plays with no heart", even when they do poorly.

There were no energy reserves for the Wings players to have to pace in the last five minutes, so they sprinted with all they had left, to try to convert the finish into a forced overtime. And it was a MAGNIFICENT effort - which many fans took as a slap in the face, as if they somehow had ALL that energy to expend over 60 minutes of play. f***! How maddening that must be for them, how can nobody see that?

The last two games helped to ramp the Wings stamina back up some, and will no doubt pay dividends as the next three days of rest puts badly needed fuel back into their (now capacity increased) tanks. The Wings skated better in Game 2 (so said Babcock, so disagree with him, not me), but so did the Sharks. However, the Sharks were already near their peak capacity. For that reason, I fully expect the Wings will be able to skate MUCH better in Game 3, even relative to the Sharks.

And some will say "they finally showed up", "they finally played with some heart this time". :::: GAG - VOMIT - SPIT ::::

Go do push-ups until I get tired, because if you can't do as many as I want you to do, a terrorist is going to shoot your mother. And when, finally, you cannot raise your body even an inch above the floor, I will kick you squarely in the face, then hard to the stomach, for not doing pushups 'with heart'.

[Broken 16]

It makes me sick to hear that, because I think the Wings played with nothing but heart, and expended nothing but whatever fumes they had remaining in their tank at the end. I DO NOT BUY that ANY player on a team that work sof****** hard to get where they are "plays with no heart", even when they do poorly.

There were no energy reserves for the Wings players to have to pace in the last five minutes, so they sprinted with all they had left, to try to convert the finish into a forced overtime. And it was a MAGNIFICENT effort - which many fans took as a slap in the face, as if they somehow had ALL that energy to expend over 60 minutes of play. f***! How maddening that must be for them, how can nobody see that?

The last two games helped to ramp the Wings stamina back up some, and will no doubt pay dividends as the next three days of rest puts badly needed fuel back into their (now capacity increased) tanks. The Wings skated better in Game 2 (so said Babcock, so disagree with him, not me), but so did the Sharks. However, the Sharks were already near their peak capacity. For that reason, I fully expect the Wings will be able to skate MUCH better in Game 3, even relative to the Sharks.

And some will say "they finally showed up", "they finally played with some heart this time". :::: GAG - VOMIT - SPIT ::::

Go do push-ups until I get tired, because if you can't do as many as I want you to do, a terrorist is going to shoot your mother. And when, finally, you cannot raise your body even an inch above the floor, I will kick you squarely in the face, then hard to the stomach, for not doing pushups 'with heart'.

The Wings need to work harder and skate harder. Write as many paragraphs as you want to explain it, but that is what it is. If every athlete has heart just because they made pro (which makes no sense to me btw), then they should all know how to stay in somewhat shape over an 8 day stretch. The only reason they needed to sprint at the end was because they wasted all their energy being out of position and trying to retrieve passes out of their skates all game long, while chasing around a San Jose team that is supporting each other very well atm.

Days off don't make nearly the impact that you claim. Teams don't become extra gassed at the end of a game because they had an extra day off... they get gassed at the end of a game when they play with their heads up their asses all game long and have to keep turning and reaching all game long.

Edited by Broken 16, 02 May 2011 - 08:36 PM.

[Salviaman]

Pavelski laughs at this thread.

[Broken 16]

Pavelski laughs at this thread.

The whole league laughs at Pavelski and his dives.

[Grypho]

Teams don't become extra gassed at the end of a game because they had an extra day off...

Make that nine.


But...just to show you that I can poke fun at myself...

[AtomicPunk]

They look slower than San Jose, aren't working as hard, making the little sacrifices, San Jose seems to be controlling more of the play and the Wings don't seem to get equal time in their offensive zone. Whether that will change or not coming back to JLA, I don't know. But maybe Babcock has to pull something different out of his sleeve. Methinks they know what we're going to do before we do it.

[esteef]

They're down 0-2 cuz they don't have McCarty!

esteef

[Grayne Wetzky]

Pay attention to Rafalski-Ericsson pairing. These guys are a big part of the problem. The refs jobbed us in game one, and we just got beat in game 2. It's 2-0 Sharks, and the Red Wings are now at home for 2 games. Hopefully, it will be 2-2 in a few days, and we'll all be talking about what we need to do to take game 5. I don't think it's time to throw in the towel, but Ericsson-Rafalski should be playing sparingly and for very SHORT shifts. It seems like they're getting caught out there with dead legs and pushed around as well. This is unacceptable come playoff time. The defensemen have to be strong on the puck, and this pairing just isn't strong (or fast). I'm surprised that the adjustment wasn't made in game 2, but hopefully it will be by tomorrow.

[atodaso]

in this video we have Will representing realistic red wings fans who aren't blinded by their love for the team and can admit the truth when they see it.

we also have Carlton who represents the optimistic homer fans who think being a "true fan" means you can't criticise the team at all and you most definitely cannot admit that they just aren't as good as they used to be.

lastly, the clown represents the red wings and "ernie" is our chance of winning the stanley cup this year.

[dragonballgtz]

It makes me sick to hear that, because I think the Wings played with nothing but heart, and expended nothing but whatever fumes they had remaining in their tank at the end. I DO NOT BUY that ANY player on a team that work sof****** hard to get where they are "plays with no heart", even when they do poorly.

There were no energy reserves for the Wings players to have to pace in the last five minutes, so they sprinted with all they had left, to try to convert the finish into a forced overtime. And it was a MAGNIFICENT effort - which many fans took as a slap in the face, as if they somehow had ALL that energy to expend over 60 minutes of play. f***! How maddening that must be for them, how can nobody see that?

The last two games helped to ramp the Wings stamina back up some, and will no doubt pay dividends as the next three days of rest puts badly needed fuel back into their (now capacity increased) tanks. The Wings skated better in Game 2 (so said Babcock, so disagree with him, not me), but so did the Sharks. However, the Sharks were already near their peak capacity. For that reason, I fully expect the Wings will be able to skate MUCH better in Game 3, even relative to the Sharks.

And some will say "they finally showed up", "they finally played with some heart this time". :::: GAG - VOMIT - SPIT ::::

Go do push-ups until I get tired, because if you can't do as many as I want you to do, a terrorist is going to shoot your mother. And when, finally, you cannot raise your body even an inch above the floor, I will kick you squarely in the face, then hard to the stomach, for not doing pushups 'with heart'.

You have issues.

Back to hockey the Wings did not play with heart. Only one line had any real consistent presents in the offensive zone and the only reason why they were able to look dominate in the last 10 minutes or so was because SJ started to sit back. Detroit got outplayed for most of the game and looked like they could not even keep up with SJ even after having so much rest. If anything they should looked gassed at the end, not from the start all the way well into the 3rd period. Our second line ZERO HEART, 3rd line ZERO HEART, surprisingly the 4th line ZERO HEART. They might of showed up for the PHX series but they have not showed up this series.

Edited by dragonballgtz, 03 May 2011 - 07:45 AM.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

Honestly you can blame this and that. But when it comes down to it we just can't beat the Sharks. Our team isn't built to beat Sharks. The last 2 seasons stats against the Sharks probably show that. Also they're big guns are getting it done against us when our big guns aren't doing much of anything. It would also help if some of our 3rd to 4th line guys could finish/score. But whatever thats hockey.

I think our team as played pretty good it's just unfortunate we are done 2-0. Both games were close and I think we were the better team in game 1. We need to take both games at the Joe or this series is over.

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 03 May 2011 - 08:24 AM.

[Nightfall]

The Wings are down 0-2 because the Sharks are playing better.

/thread

Seriously though, look at the stats. People like blaming the reffing and diving by San Jose, but the stats don't lie. The puck possession, shots, scoring chances, and offensive zone possession are all owned by the Sharks. Sure, the Wings get chances, but the Sharks are getting almost double what the Wings are getting. Our "weak link" was always thought to be Howard. Well, Howard has turned in 2 spectacular efforts to keep us in the games and the team in front of him really has not been able to outplay the Sharks team.

Some people will say the Wings are not playing with enough heart. I wouldn't go that far to insult them like that. What I will say is, the Sharks are skating harder and winning the puck battles in the first two games. Can the Wings do that in games 3 and 4? I believe they can. Its quite obvious that the Wings have to play harder because their margin for error is slim.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

The Wings are down 0-2 because the Sharks are playing better.

/thread

Seriously though, look at the stats. People like blaming the reffing and diving by San Jose, but the stats don't lie. The puck possession, shots, scoring chances, and offensive zone possession are all owned by the Sharks. Sure, the Wings get chances, but the Sharks are getting almost double what the Wings are getting. Our "weak link" was always thought to be Howard. Well, Howard has turned in 2 spectacular efforts to keep us in the games and the team in front of him really has not been able to outplay the Sharks team.

Some people will say the Wings are not playing with enough heart. I wouldn't go that far to insult them like that. What I will say is, the Sharks are skating harder and winning the puck battles in the first two games. Can the Wings do that in games 3 and 4? I believe they can. Its quite obvious that the Wings have to play harder because their margin for error is slim.

Great post.

[azshark]

The Wings are down 0-2 because the Sharks are playing better.

/thread

Seriously though, look at the stats. People like blaming the reffing and diving by San Jose, but the stats don't lie. The puck possession, shots, scoring chances, and offensive zone possession are all owned by the Sharks. Sure, the Wings get chances, but the Sharks are getting almost double what the Wings are getting. Our "weak link" was always thought to be Howard. Well, Howard has turned in 2 spectacular efforts to keep us in the games and the team in front of him really has not been able to outplay the Sharks team.

Some people will say the Wings are not playing with enough heart. I wouldn't go that far to insult them like that. What I will say is, the Sharks are skating harder and winning the puck battles in the first two games. Can the Wings do that in games 3 and 4? I believe they can. Its quite obvious that the Wings have to play harder because their margin for error is slim.

Beyond the 1st period of Game #1 and the final five minutes of Game #2, I have witnessed a Sharks team playing at their highest level all season! I could argue that Games #1 and #2 were the best two games for the Sharks all season. Why?

The Sharks have elevated their level of: intensity, focus, drive and heart. They are winning all the little battles. They are controlling the neutral zone. They are wearing-down the Wings.

Look at last game and they way the Wings stalled-out the icing calls. Gamesmanship? Sure! But it was also survival.

I take NOTHING away against the Wings. These are two damn good hockey teams and one simply outworked the other in the first two games.

Edited by azshark, 03 May 2011 - 09:46 AM.

[Heaten]

To me Wings look slow and 'off'. Their passes are delayed, sluggish and off target. They are not skating like they are capable of, and they aren't battling like they are capable of. I'm not sure if it's 'rust' or just lost their compete?

Against the 'Yotes, Red Wings were making quick crisp passes and skated very well. They were cycling well and the D was pinching at the right time. But from I notice the most is how slow and off their passing is. We've seen this before, when Wings passing is off, they struggle. Wings play better with the puck.

Another big issue is their skating. It's like they are skating in mud. They are not moving around the ice like they normally do (Especially notice Helm.... He been a fire-cracker on skates all season). Franzen looks like he's struggling with an ankle injury. Zetterberg lost his bursting quickness...

The Red Wings bread and butter is their quick, crisp tight passes and mobile skating... without that, they are an average team.

Howard has been a wall.

P.S. I also felt Red Wings should have won GM1. That Bertuzzi 'roughing' penalty was complete horse s***. Refs helped the Sharks in that game. GM2, Red Wings just flat out lost... and they lost with, in my opinion, the edge in calls. When they can't score on a full 4minute double minor to tie the game, they don't deserve to win. I am bitter about game 1, however. Series should be tied 1-1 right now.

[Wings4Life19]

just want to start by saying that I'm not rubbing anything in to the part of you that is a sharks fan, Grypho. The hardest part of the comeback has yet to be played. Game 7, on the road, in the loudest building in the NHL. This is the 8th time a team trailing 3-0 in a playoff series has made it to game 7, and the record of those teams in game 7 is 3-4, and considering the last one went to overtime tells me that its pretty much 50/50 as to who wins. on a side note: the first 7 times it happened the teams that have come back have alternated wins in those game 7's with the last being a loss.

New York Rangers in 1939 v.s Boston Bruins (NYR L)
Toronto Maple Leafs in 1942 v.s Detroit Red Wings (TOR W)
Detroit Red Wings in 1945 v.s Toronto Maple Leafs (DET L)
New York Islanders in 1975 v.s Pittsburgh Penguins (NYI W)
New York Islanders AGAIN in 1975 v.s Philadelphia Flyers (NYI L)
Philadelphia Flyers in 2010 v.s Boston Bruins (PHI W)
Chicago Blackhawks in 2011 v.s Vancouver Canucks (CHI L)
Detroit Red Wings in 2011 v.s San Jose Sharks (DET ?)

you made the point that the extended layoff hurt the wings in the first half of the series, looking back I believe you were correct, the wings lost the competitiveness that they had against phoenix and had trouble moving their legs and getting engaged. but now I believe the layoff has benefited the wings.

they have found their legs, competitiveness, and will to win and overcome adversity in the last 3 games. The sharks, while still competing very hard and still want it just as bad as the wings do, are looking very much like the Wings were last year against San Jose. The wings have been just that much better than the sharks. the sharks coming off a very tough series against LA were fortunate the wings had the layoff to get a big lead in the series, but now the wings have found their game(in a big way) and the sharks have been unable to put the wings away in 3 straight games. something just feels like the Kings did a huge favor to the Wings and will have the last laugh against the sharks for nearly making it a 7 game series.