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#1101 under_par_00

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Posted 01 May 2011 - 10:23 PM

One of the things that worries me most, is how ineffective Helm has been. Aside from his breakaway today, he has been nearly invisible, his hitting is not effective as he seems much smaller and weaker compared to these Sharks.

Oh, and Douglas Murray is a beast. We have no one who can handle him, Franzen, Todd, Cleary are all getting owned.

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Posted 01 May 2011 - 10:43 PM

So playing great in round 1 and playing average in round 2 is worse than playing average in round 1 and playing s*** in round 2?

The ones I specifically called out are playing like s*** IMO.

Playing average is just as bad as playing like s*** come playoff time. Average is not good enough to win.

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Posted 01 May 2011 - 10:46 PM

One of the things that worries me most, is how ineffective Helm has been. Aside from his breakaway today, he has been nearly invisible, his hitting is not effective as he seems much smaller and weaker compared to these Sharks.

Oh, and Douglas Murray is a beast. We have no one who can handle him, Franzen, Todd, Cleary are all getting owned.


I almost forgot about that.

That breakaway goal would have been huge for us, and may have turned the entire game around.

I think Helm is missing his older prototype Draper.
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 11:03 PM

Somehow right now, I don't really care so much that we lost like I did, say, an hour and a half ago... Optimism!

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Posted 01 May 2011 - 11:21 PM

I look forward to seeing Modano bring his speed to the table in game 3. Babs needs to give him a chance with Datsyuk or Zetterberg, while Franzen plays with the other.

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Posted 01 May 2011 - 11:27 PM

We need Hall Gill :D

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 01:41 AM

I almost forgot about that.

That breakaway goal would have been huge for us, and may have turned the entire game around.

I think Helm is missing his older prototype Draper.


Almost every time Helm has the puck I find myself screaming "FINISH HELM!" *misses on breakaway* "DAMMIT HELM! Yah gotta learn to finish kid!"

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 06:07 AM

I really hope we can win on home ice. Something has to change though, so little intensity with our offense. Howard has been as good as we could ask for.

I don't think we have deserved either game. I hate to say it but I'm beginning to think the Sharks are just a better team than us at this stage. I know the margin has been close but the Sharks seem to be playing at such a higher pace than the wings. I feel like I'm watching a 60 minute penalty kill at times. I'm not usually so negative on this team but it's what I'm seeing out there right now..am I wrong? I hope so.


I agree 100%. I have not seen a Wings team look this bad any time in the last decade and a half. Even at even strength, the Sharks keep sustained pressure in our end for 2 minutes at a time, we clear it for a quick line shift and MAYBE a shot, only to be followed by the Sharks bringing it right back into the offensive zone for another 2 minutes.Something needs to change quick or this could be a sweep. The Sharks just seem to be playing with more fire and intensity, maybe because the perception is that they have underachieved the last few years and they are on a mission.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 07:14 AM

Well, it could be worse, at least we're not the Capitals and lost the first two games in the series at home.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 07:37 AM

I would, at this point, bring up a couple high energy players(mursak and tatar) from the AHL for game 3. I would change up the lines, actually I would have changed up the lines after the first period in game 2. Babcock is not seeing how bad Detroit is getting outplayed.

I love my Detroit Red Wings but I agree with some changes having to be made in the off season. I would like to see some changes made on defense. Specifically bring in BIGGER and more PHYSICAL D-men.

I would also like to see some younger faster guys brought up from the AHL or get some trades going to increase our speed, grit, and size up front as well.

And to everyone who thinks I am saying Detroit is not superior by saying changes have to be made, then obviously you don't know that anytime you can make changes to benefit a team EVEN MORE does not understand common sense or sports. Everyone talks about Detroit's ultimate goal is to win the stanley cup every year but if you are lacking some players to do that the there is nothing wrong with making changes.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 07:44 AM

Almost every time Helm has the puck I find myself screaming "FINISH HELM!" *misses on breakaway* "DAMMIT HELM! Yah gotta learn to finish kid!"


If helmer would have scored on that breakaway this game may have turned out very differently. It would have given the Wings some momentum to build off of. I don't understand why he always shoots at the goalie's pad on the breakaway. He doesn't try to fake, he doesn't go top shelf. I wonder if he's either too excited that he doesn't think, or he thought he had someone right on his tail. He had all the time in the world to get that shot off yesterday.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:06 AM

If helmer would have scored on that breakaway this game may have turned out very differently. It would have given the Wings some momentum to build off of. I don't understand why he always shoots at the goalie's pad on the breakaway. He doesn't try to fake, he doesn't go top shelf. I wonder if he's either too excited that he doesn't think, or he thought he had someone right on his tail. He had all the time in the world to get that shot off yesterday.


Or he simply isn't that talented.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:16 AM

Or he simply isn't that talented.


He's done it a few times in the regular season, but more often than not he misses the shot. He may not be the most talented shooter, but I think in this case its more nerves than a talent issue.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:17 AM

In 2007 the Sharks "outmatched" Detroit and Detroit was the team that advanced. Yes, San Jose has been the better team but all it takes is two convincing wins to level the playing field not just on paper, but in the swagger of each respective team.

All I know is Detroit half-assed this game and only lost 2-1. They dominated 40% of Game 1 and lost 2-1 in overtime due to s***ty reffing.

If a half-assed Detroit team is forcing San Jose to eke out wins, no matter how dominant their play, once the Wings find a rhythm San Jose will be the team in trouble.


In 2007, Ron Wilson was the coach. Today, McLellan was hired to beat the Wings. Mission accomplished, yet not convincingly. Here is a quote from Joe Thornton after the game yesterday:
"Out of the seven playoff games we've played against Detroit these last two years," Thornton said, "six have been one-goal games. They could have gone either way."

The Sharks are an entirely different team than vs. the Kings. The physicality that LA brought is not matched by Detroit. Not even close. Goaltending is.

Still a lot more hockey left...

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:21 AM

Still a lot more hockey left...

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:33 AM

I would just like to point out that this is a Best of 7 series for a reason. Two games, no matter how dominant, do not determine the outcome of a series.

In 2007 the Sharks "outmatched" Detroit and Detroit was the team that advanced. Yes, San Jose has been the better team but all it takes is two convincing wins to level the playing field not just on paper, but in the swagger of each respective team. Two wins with consistent play will destroy the illusion that San Jose is some unbeatable monster. Detroit has beaten San Jose before and it can happen again. They just have to find the magic key, whether it's splitting up Datsyuk and Zetterberg, firing nonstop at the net, whatever it is. All I know is Detroit half-assed this game and only lost 2-1. They dominated 40% of Game 1 and lost 2-1 in overtime due to s***ty reffing.

If a half-assed Detroit team is forcing San Jose to eke out wins, no matter how dominant their play, once the Wings find a rhythm San Jose will be the team in trouble.

And until Game 3, we won't know what that magic key is or if the team can elevate like that. But for all the frustration this series is not over. And I'm not being one of those overly optimistic people who can't see the writing on the wall. San Jose has been the better team, but 2-0 series lead evaporate all the time.

EDIT: ANd all the old comments are just stupid. I'm sorry, but our core is in their prime. Only sports fans would look at something Average age 31 vs a team with an average age of 29 (pulling numbers out of thin air, but you get the point) and think it gives either team an edge. The fact is this team didn't have any luck, puck was bouncing over sticks and they were sloppy passing. They lacked intensity because they were getting frustrated. Maybe San Jose is getting into their head. All have nothing to do with age. What I do hope is that, win or lose, Flip is traded for a more reliable 2nd line center who can do more than make an impressive play once in a blue moon.

In fact, I'd argue the sloppy passing and cute plays were what cost Detroit most this game. If those passes were crisper and harder, not waffling through three San Jose players, and if someone would use their body and crash the net, things would begin to swing into Detroit's favor. Instead, what I'm seeing is one guy carry the puck in, take a long shot from just inside the blue line, and then race back when San Jose makes the long pass for a breakout. If they hold the puck and close in on the net, they will inevitably lose the puck but with clever support behind them a good play could result.


the wings dominated 40% of game 1? That must be the joke of the day. You are watching a different game (maybe in your dream?). and Detroit is not "half-assing" the game like you said. The mistakes they are making are forced by the aggressive play of SJ. THe wings are fighting in their own zone to try to get the puck so often that by the time they got the puck...they had to dump the puck and make a change. That's why you see the huge difference in SOG because SJ is spending way more time attacking than the wings does (basically controlling the play).

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:36 AM

Man, another close game. If Helm put in that breakaway the Wings could have got some momentum but he just isn't a scorer also I feel bad for Nick. He ripped that shot past Niemi and only found post, that sound right there just felt like a Dagger for that game. Hopefully Jimmy can continue to play this well and Detroit needs to find their explosive offense again in Detroit to give him some help.

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:55 AM

Sharks have been sickening on the puck possession. Aside from that, I don't totally feel like they have brought anything to this series that has left us with anything but a little adversity to get over. Split Hank and Pash up and unite on the PP. Has proven to not work with them on the same line. Hank has to be able to get the puck to Mule and Cleary can do the dirty work. That line needs a chance again.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 11:03 AM

This team needs more cowbell.
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Posted 02 May 2011 - 12:00 PM

This team needs more fan support. I find your lack of faith disturbing, LGW.

I'll eat my crow if we go down 3-0, but I think what a lot of people fail to see is that one good game on Wednesday and we're suddenly only down 2-1.

We win again in game 4 and it's best of 3. Do I think we can win? Of course. If we play like we care, then we're even more dangerous than the almighty Sharks seem to look to everyone. I know it's hard to believe after we played like we did in games 1 and 2, but hell, if any team in the NHL can overcome a 2-0 deficit, it's the Red Wings.

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