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#101 xtrememachine1

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 12:02 PM

Brad Richards and Shea Weber will not be Wings.


If Lidstrom retires at the end of this year, I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't make an offer to Shea Weber. I mean, by him leaving you'll have $6.2 mil available. Weber will probably sign for $7 mil. It will cost the Wings 1st rounders, but that's almost par for the course. Plus, it would also hurt the Predators in a big way to lose their best d-man and captain to a division rival. I can't think of why they wouldn't even give it consideration.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 12:13 PM

Hypothetical: What the Hell do the Wings do if Lidstrom, Draper, Osgood & Modano retire and we don't bring back Salei and Miller? Many here say we won't offer any RFA's so what do we do to help with these losses?

Do we bring up Tatar and Mursak full time?

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 12:14 PM

You definitely bring up Mursak full time at least.
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Posted 06 May 2011 - 01:21 PM

f*** me. rafi had a ntc. ill be back with something else

Edited by dirtydangles, 06 May 2011 - 04:20 PM.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 06 May 2011 - 02:14 PM

ekman-larsson (young offensive defenseman) future #1/2 d-man #7 now with lids training (swede)

drew stafford (25 year old 6'2" winger) replace modano/miller/draper/hudler take your pick...

zenon konopka (30 year old heavy that is hardly ever injured and faceoff specialist!)replace modano/miller/draper/hudler

tobias endstrom ( 26 year old offensive defenseman puts up points/72 plus games for 3 years in a row) replace salei
brent burns ( 6'5" hard edged defenseman) replace ericsson!

how about this....

Zetterberg-Konopka-Datsyuk
Stafford-Franzen-Bertuzzi
Filppula-Abdelkader-Cleary
Helm-Eaves-Holmstrom
emmerton/mursak reserves

Lidstrom-Stuart
Burns-Rafalski
Kronwall-Endstrom

ekman-larsson/smith reserves/training

Really like the ekman larsson part.

If Lidstrom retires at the end of this year, I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't make an offer to Shea Weber. I mean, by him leaving you'll have $6.2 mil available. Weber will probably sign for $7 mil. It will cost the Wings 1st rounders, but that's almost par for the course. Plus, it would also hurt the Predators in a big way to lose their best d-man and captain to a division rival. I can't think of why they wouldn't even give it consideration.

The wings will not get weber. If he actually left nashville it would be for a a big market coast team.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 02:37 PM

If Lidstrom retires at the end of this year, I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't make an offer to Shea Weber. I mean, by him leaving you'll have $6.2 mil available. Weber will probably sign for $7 mil. It will cost the Wings 1st rounders, but that's almost par for the course. Plus, it would also hurt the Predators in a big way to lose their best d-man and captain to a division rival. I can't think of why they wouldn't even give it consideration.


Because no matter what any team throws at Shea Weber, nashville will have over 22mil in cap space to match any offer and exceed it. Maybe, just maybe, 7-9mil of that cap space will go towards current RFAs and UFAs on the team plus signing new UFas, leaving Nashville with over 15mil in cap space for Shea Weber. So I repeat, the Wings will NOT be signing Shea Weber, nor will they even pretend to entertain any notions of Offer sheeting him.
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Posted 06 May 2011 - 03:16 PM

Because no matter what any team throws at Shea Weber, nashville will have over 22mil in cap space to match any offer and exceed it. Maybe, just maybe, 7-9mil of that cap space will go towards current RFAs and UFAs on the team plus signing new UFas, leaving Nashville with over 15mil in cap space for Shea Weber. So I repeat, the Wings will NOT be signing Shea Weber, nor will they even pretend to entertain any notions of Offer sheeting him.


If Nashville will meet or match any number... What is the harm in bidding? Worst case we lose, and Nashville overpays.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 03:17 PM

This may sound crazy, but how about the Wings focus on depth dmen instead of star dmen?

Suter is an option after next year; I'd bide my time and wait for him.

Here's what I'd go with on defense next year:

Kronwall - Stuart
O'Brien - Rafalski
Salei - Lilja
Kindl

And then look at Suter next year (and possibly another top dman with Rafalski's money).

As far as forwards, I'd look at Richards, Arnott, Handzus, Laich, maybe even Wellwood and Eager.

I'd bring back Draper, Eaves, and Miller on a year-by-year basis, and as long as you get one or two of the guys above and focus on team defense, you'll do fine.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 03:50 PM

Wings aren't trading for any players or offering any RFAs an offer sheet. This isn't NHL the video game. Trading Filppula AND Hudler for Bogosian is one of the worst trades I have ever seen suggested (hyperbole included).

All our additions for next season will be one or two free agents signings and one or two AHL call-ups.

Brad Richards and Shea Weber will not be Wings. Players with NMC or NTC will not be traded. Filppula will not be going anywhere. If Draper and Modano don't want to retire, they will be brought back as the 12th/13th forward.

Hudler and Flip for a guy who has number 1 defenseman potential isnt that far off, probably ATL would throw in a mediocre prospect or pick.

Flip is closing in on 30 and hasnt done anything offensively and Hudler is just plain awful.

I dont know why you are so certain the wings wont trade or offer any RFAs. This team has been good ever since Holland took over the team, yeah hes a solid GM, but also very overrated.. This offseason will really show Hollands true colours, if he does nothing than we'll all be wishing Yzerman was here

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:04 PM

nm. rafi has a NTC

Edited by dirtydangles, 06 May 2011 - 04:19 PM.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:05 PM

Here's what I'd go with on defense next year:

Kronwall - Stuart
O'Brien - Rafalski
Salei - Lilja
Kindl


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Is that a joke? I just woke up.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:10 PM

This may sound crazy, but how about the Wings focus on depth dmen instead of star dmen?

Suter is an option after next year; I'd bide my time and wait for him.

Here's what I'd go with on defense next year:

Kronwall - Stuart
O'Brien - Rafalski
Salei - Lilja
Kindl

And then look at Suter next year (and possibly another top dman with Rafalski's money).

As far as forwards, I'd look at Richards, Arnott, Handzus, Laich, maybe even Wellwood and Eager.

I'd bring back Draper, Eaves, and Miller on a year-by-year basis, and as long as you get one or two of the guys above and focus on team defense, you'll do fine.

I know you left Nick off on accident.... We know he's coming back and to be honest bringing back Salei only nails the point home of this being sarcasm. The Suter part is the only part I think I fully fully agree with. That's a guy no one talks about on here and I'd take him over most players mentioned on a daily basis in here.
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#113 Theophany

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:30 PM

So after working with some numbers briefly, here's what I'd do in the case that Lidstrom doesn't come back.

This is assuming the cap goes up ~$3m (though it doesn't matter because I'd still be under the current cap).

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Brooks Laich ($4.250m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.600m)
Ruslan Salei ($1.100m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.950m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,158,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,241,289

Brooks Laich, Shane O'Brien, Lilja, and Conklin are my only real additions. I like Laich because he's a physical guy who's also got some touch around the net. Perhaps overpaying a bit, but he would be an excellent second line center, allowing Fil to be a third center and allowing Dats and Z to play on the same line (or move Laich to the third, Z to the second, and Fil to wing).

This is basically setting us up to get Suter after next season (he's going to be looking at a large pay upgrade that I don't think the Preds will pay).


I know you left Nick off on accident.... We know he's coming back and to be honest bringing back Salei only nails the point home of this being sarcasm. The Suter part is the only part I think I fully fully agree with. That's a guy no one talks about on here and I'd take him over most players mentioned on a daily basis in here.

No, that's in case Lidstrom retires.

if Lidstrom doesn't retire, here's what I'd go with:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Brooks Laich ($4.250m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.950m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,658,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $741,289

Edited by Theophany, 06 May 2011 - 04:34 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:32 PM

^^^ I do not see Miller coming back, but if he does, meh. Could do a hell of a lot worse I suppose.
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#115 Theophany

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:37 PM

^^^ I do not see Miller coming back, but if he does, meh. Could do a hell of a lot worse I suppose.

If Miller doesn't come back, no skin off my back. Abdelkader could likely slot into his spot easily.

This is also assuming that Draper wants to retire, because if not, Miller is gone and Draper takes his spot.

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:43 PM

Hows this? Picking up some big bodies that can score.

Trade:
Hudler, Ericsson, 4th Pick – Ladd
Filppula, Prospect (Emmerton), 2nd Pick - Hanzal
UFAs: Babchuk, Erhoff, Goc, Winchester

Let Salei, Miller, Eaves, Modano, Draper Walk

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Andrew Ladd ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Martin Hanzal ($1.800m) / Marcel Goc ($0.750m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Brad Winchester ($0.600m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($3.000m) / Anton Babchuk ($1.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Josh Harding ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,133,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $266,289

Edited by dirtydangles, 06 May 2011 - 04:46 PM.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


#117 Theophany

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:45 PM

You won't be getting Ehrhoff at $3m a year. :rolleyes:

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 04:47 PM

Hanzal would be a lovely addition.
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#119 dropkickshanahans

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Posted 06 May 2011 - 05:22 PM

I wouldn't mind if they could try out Ericsson at forward.

Hanzal would be a lovely addition.


Yes very lovely. I also wouldn't mind if we could pick up Handzus for a year or two.

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 10:21 PM

Joel Ward anyone? I remember he's been a Red Wings killer in the past...and he seems to be a big game player. I do believe he'll be an UFA this summer.





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