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#1281 chrisdetroit

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 11:26 AM

So I read a lot of the comments coming from the Sharks "we were confidant", we knew we could do it, blah blah blah. Bulls***. You almost blew a 3 game lead. Just think if they had. Wow. Would they be marked for eternity.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 12:18 PM

I used to be a fan, but I'm so over Joe Thornton. Especially after hearing the post game interviews of him. Hearing him say how they don't care what people are saying, they knew they could do it. blah blah blah.

Thornton, Heatley, and Marleau account for almost $22 million of cap space.

Marleau had one point. (Who cares if it's the series winner. Had he showed up earlier there wouldn't have been a game 7)
Heatley had a goal and three assists.
Thornton had zero goals and 6 assists. 4 of which came on the power play.

Those guys were carried by players like Couture, Setoguchi and Clowe. (Guys who really stepped up their game in the postseason (If you're keeping score those guys together eat up less than $7 mill cap space). So it was a little hilarious to here Joe going on about how he believed. I guess the part he wasn't saying was he believed "that my teammates would save my ass."

How about throwing some more love to the guys who carried you Joe?

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:36 PM

I used to be a fan, but I'm so over Joe Thornton. Especially after hearing the post game interviews of him. Hearing him say how they don't care what people are saying, they knew they could do it. blah blah blah.

Thornton, Heatley, and Marleau account for almost $22 million of cap space.

Marleau had one point. (Who cares if it's the series winner. Had he showed up earlier there wouldn't have been a game 7)
Heatley had a goal and three assists.
Thornton had zero goals and 6 assists. 4 of which came on the power play.

Those guys were carried by players like Couture, Setoguchi and Clowe. (Guys who really stepped up their game in the postseason (If you're keeping score those guys together eat up less than $7 mill cap space). So it was a little hilarious to here Joe going on about how he believed. I guess the part he wasn't saying was he believed "that my teammates would save my ass."

How about throwing some more love to the guys who carried you Joe?


Joe Thornton played his ass off this entire series. Just ask the RW players and coaching staff.

It's not all about the cute stats you looked-up. It's about contributing.

Heatley played a great series in my book. He played responsible with the puck in his end and did a great job containing the neutral zone.

Marleau stepped-up large last night. Not only with his BAM...game winner, but with a great defensive play way late in the game.

Better team won last night.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:50 PM

Joe Thornton played his ass off this entire series. Just ask the RW players and coaching staff.

It's not all about the cute stats you looked-up. It's about contributing.

Heatley played a great series in my book. He played responsible with the puck in his end and did a great job containing the neutral zone.

Marleau stepped-up large last night. Not only with his BAM...game winner, but with a great defensive play way late in the game.

Better team won last night.

I never said the better team didn't win.

"Cute stats?" Scoring points isn't contributing?

So a slam dunk goal and a few good defensive plays late in game 7 is worth $6.9 mill?

And I see you're starting the revisionist history about Thornton already. He got better as the series went along. Either way when you're the star player and make $7.2 million, contributing usually also involves putting up points. And you have awfully low expectations for Heatley too. There are a lot of guys who are responsible with the puck in their end and can help contain the neutral zone, and they sure don't get paid $7.5 million.

I never said the Sharks as a team were bad. It's just that they have guys like Couture, Setoguchi, Clowe and Boyle to thank for winning that series. Because their three star players were busy contributing with "intangibles" instead of on the scoresheet, which last time I checked is how you win games.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:59 PM

I never said the better team didn't win.

"Cute stats?" Scoring points isn't contributing?

So a slam dunk goal and a few good defensive plays late in game 7 is worth $6.9 mill?

And I see you're starting the revisionist history about Thornton already. He got better as the series went along. Either way when you're the star player and make $7.2 million, contributing usually also involves putting up points. And you have awfully low expectations for Heatley too. There are a lot of guys who are responsible with the puck in their end and can help contain the neutral zone, and they sure don't get paid $7.5 million.

I never said the Sharks as a team were bad. It's just that they have guys like Couture, Setoguchi, Clowe and Boyle to thank for winning that series. Because their three star players were busy contributing with "intangibles" instead of on the scoresheet, which last time I checked is how you win games.


I agree that our big three are all overpaid.

But, to call out Jumbo Joe in this series? C'mon! Go back and watch the OT game 3 winner. Who made that play? Jumbo. Go back and watch his steals in each game from his back-checking. Take a look at the number of turnovers (hardly any) all series.

Easy to call out our big three but it's sour grapes.

Take Datsyuk off the Wings. What do you have?

Take Heatley or Marleau off or team and we'll still beat you.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:08 PM

I agree that our big three are all overpaid.

But, to call out Jumbo Joe in this series? C'mon! Go back and watch the OT game 3 winner. Who made that play? Jumbo. Go back and watch his steals in each game from his back-checking. Take a look at the number of turnovers (hardly any) all series.

Easy to call out our big three but it's sour grapes.

Take Datsyuk off the Wings. What do you have?

Take Heatley or Marleau off or team and we'll still beat you.

How is it sour grapes? Because I'm not saying everyone on your team is awesome? I haven't said anything about how the wings would've won the series or anything of that sort. I don't know why you keep implying that I'm saying the Wings should've won or that it's sour grapes

Of course you could take Heatley and Marleau off the team and the Sharks would still probably win, because those guys weren't a big reason why San Jose won!

My point, for the third friggin time, is that the Sharks three star players underperformed, while Clowe and the like were absolute studs. And yes, that includes Jumbo Joe underperforming. Have you guys really lowered your standards that much for him because of his past playoff performances? Of the three, he was the best. But still, in a hard fought fought series against a good team, I would want more points out of him. He's one of if not the franchise player. And the best things you can say about him is he backchecks and he didn't turn the puck over much?

As I said in another thread, if at the start of the series someone had told me Thornton, Marleau and Heatley would be kept off the scoresheet in the way that they were, I'd like the Wings chances. But the secondary scoring came through for San Jose in a huge way. Those guys and Niemi were by far the biggest reasons the Sharks won.

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 13 May 2011 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:08 PM

Thornton did play well....for a grinder. Not a superstar.

The Sharks will need to shake up the Heatley-Thornton-Marleau failure if they want to win the Cup ever. I've never seen such high profile guys disappear so consistently when it matters. Point or not, that monkey is still on Marleau's back. The guy has NEVER performed in the playoffs, what makes people think he'll start now?
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:10 PM

Take Datsyuk off the Wings. What do you have?

Zetterberg, Cleary, Lidstrom, Kronwall, Filppula, and Helm. Ya know, just the same guys we had most of the season and held that 2nd spot for the majority of the year which we, ironic enough we lost to your team and wound up being the dagger for the series. Regardless, saying all we have is Datsyuk is fairly silly and very Sharks fan like of you ;)

I will give credit where it's due to Couture, Setoguchi (for once) and Pavelski. I'd take Clowe all day on our team if I could even if he acts like a douchenozzle when Kronwall throws a bomb check on him. Those guys were basically what won this series for your team. And Niemi also had a great couple of games and still almost lost while we had 10 forwards. Might be sour grapes and just grasping to some, but facts are facts, slick.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:16 PM

Thornton did play well....for a grinder. Not a superstar.

The Sharks will need to shake up the Heatley-Thornton-Marleau failure if they want to win the Cup ever. I've never seen such high profile guys disappear so consistently when it matters. Point or not, that monkey is still on Marleau's back. The guy has NEVER performed in the playoffs, what makes people think he'll start now?

Exactly.

The Sharks have over a third of their payroll tied up in three guys. And in a 7 game series they produce 2 goals and 9 assists. And I'm crazy because I think that's grossly underperforming?

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:29 PM

Joe Thornton played his ass off <...>

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Heatley played a great series in my book. He played responsible with the puck in his end and did a great job containing the neutral zone.

Marleau stepped-up large last night<...>

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:37 PM

Thornton played a decent series, didn't do anything special. The diving from him and whining is what did it for me, I valued his skill but to me hes just another Crosby with way less skill, and more crying/dirt (if thats possible).

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 03:03 PM

Zetterberg, Cleary, Lidstrom, Kronwall, Filppula, and Helm. Ya know, just the same guys we had most of the season and held that 2nd spot for the majority of the year which we, ironic enough we lost to your team and wound up being the dagger for the series. Regardless, saying all we have is Datsyuk is fairly silly and very Sharks fan like of you ;)

I will give credit where it's due to Couture, Setoguchi (for once) and Pavelski. I'd take Clowe all day on our team if I could even if he acts like a douchenozzle when Kronwall throws a bomb check on him. Those guys were basically what won this series for your team. And Niemi also had a great couple of games and still almost lost while we had 10 forwards. Might be sour grapes and just grasping to some, but facts are facts, slick.


It's Slick Rick to you Hanka.

Your team has more than Datsyuk. I am stating that if you take him out, your Wings never make this a series. Ever! That's a compliment Hanka!

Bertuzzi got away from his game and paid the price. (night-night!)

Guys like Seto, Couture, Clowe, Pavelski, Mitchell are all playing very well right now. I'd even state that our defense is playing better than advertised. Heck, even Wallin is playing well!

And to all you haters who say Vancouver is going to roll the Sharks...I say, go back to the store and get some fresh grapes!

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O.K. but as long as you throw your sour grapes in that same can too!

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 03:06 PM

And to all you haters who say Vancouver is going to roll the Sharks...I say, go back to the store and get some fresh grapes!

I didn't think the sharks would get rolled by Chicago last year and look what happened. I would never say they are going to get rolled by Vancouver, but I don't think it will go 7 games either. Point is this, until your team can make it to the SCF, I really think you should step back and re-evaluate. The Sharks have a history of dying in the post season. I certainly hope they can get over the hump soon, because time is running out on your core of players.

This Sharks/Wings series was epic, even from a fan on the losing side. This is why I love the playoffs, even after my team gets beat, I gotta keep watching. Sharks deserve all the credit for winning this series. I will be very interested to see if the Sharks can get the monkey off their back and make it to the finals. Time is not on their side if they don't make it.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 03:14 PM

I didn't think the sharks would get rolled by Chicago last year and look what happened. I would never say they are going to get rolled by Vancouver, but I don't think it will go 7 games either. Point is this, until your team can make it to the SCF, I really think you should step back and re-evaluate. The Sharks have a history of dying in the post season. I certainly hope they can get over the hump soon, because time is running out on your core of players.

This Sharks/Wings series was epic, even from a fan on the losing side. This is why I love the playoffs, even after my team gets beat, I gotta keep watching. Sharks deserve all the credit for winning this series. I will be very interested to see if the Sharks can get the monkey off their back and make it to the finals. Time is not on their side if they don't make it.


This next round is all about being fresh (physically/mentally). There are a few players on SJ that have won a cup.

If the same Vancouver team that beat Nashville shows, I think this series leans to SJ. If our core players turtle-up, it could be a quick VAN series.

I loved Lidstrom's comment prior to game #7 where he stated that he has never been involved in a series where the two teams are so evenly matched.

Total respect for the Wings.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 03:47 PM

This Sharks/Wings series was epic, even from a fan on the losing side. This is why I love the playoffs, even after my team gets beat, I gotta keep watching. Sharks deserve all the credit for winning this series. I will be very interested to see if the Sharks can get the monkey off their back and make it to the finals. Time is not on their side if they don't make it.




I agree, this was an epic series.

Does anyone know where you can view stats that are for a series only? I'd like to see all the stats just for the det/SJ series, without info from the previous series included... anyone?

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 03:52 PM

I agree that our big three are all overpaid.

But, to call out Jumbo Joe in this series? C'mon! Go back and watch the OT game 3 winner. Who made that play? Jumbo. Go back and watch his steals in each game from his back-checking. Take a look at the number of turnovers (hardly any) all series.

Easy to call out our big three but it's sour grapes.

Take Datsyuk off the Wings. What do you have?

Take Heatley or Marleau off or team and we'll still beat you.

call the goaltender interference on the Gooch and you don't get the third goal. or did you miss that one? Bottom line bud, game 1 OT, lucky bounce, Wings could've won it, game two I will give you, even though Wings played better, game three hmmmmm, lucky bounce in OT (again) Wings could've won it, game 4,5,6 your team couldn't handle a full 60 mins, game 7 goaltender interference not even bringing up the fact that the Wings were without Franzen, then lost Bertuzzi AND Cleary without the ability to replace them! So your team squeaked out a game 7 win with us only having 10 forwards. You see, you claim that without Heatly or Marleau you guys would still beat us, but fact is, even with those two, YOU BARELY BEAT US. No lucky bounces in OT, Wings could've won 4 games to 1. Be glad you got the lucky bounces, it's part of hockey, but they won't always come. Be man enough to admit, that you were inches, fractions of inches to NOT winning this series. Congrats that they did, but it's not like you rolled over the Wings. Simmer Down...

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 04:35 PM

call the goaltender interference on the Gooch and you don't get the third goal. or did you miss that one? Bottom line bud, game 1 OT, lucky bounce, Wings could've won it, game two I will give you, even though Wings played better, game three hmmmmm, lucky bounce in OT (again) Wings could've won it, game 4,5,6 your team couldn't handle a full 60 mins, game 7 goaltender interference not even bringing up the fact that the Wings were without Franzen, then lost Bertuzzi AND Cleary without the ability to replace them! So your team squeaked out a game 7 win with us only having 10 forwards. You see, you claim that without Heatly or Marleau you guys would still beat us, but fact is, even with those two, YOU BARELY BEAT US. No lucky bounces in OT, Wings could've won 4 games to 1. Be glad you got the lucky bounces, it's part of hockey, but they won't always come. Be man enough to admit, that you were inches, fractions of inches to NOT winning this series. Congrats that they did, but it's not like you rolled over the Wings. Simmer Down...


I have not stated that SJ rolled over your Wings. You are absolutely correct that either team was inches, fractions of inches, away from defeat in multiple games. It was a hell of a series.

It's ok to Clowe bash but when Bertuzzi goes head-hunting, it's not?

It's ok to call the Sharks divers, when your last night Howard drops like a powder-puff?

It's ok to call the Sharks cheaters when Stuart changes his stick in game one after an icing call to delay the faceoff?

The Sharks haven proven to be the better team over the past two years. I give credit to SJ adapting to Detroit's style of play.

Again, the statement I'll remember most is Lidstrom's pre-game #7 statement that he has never played in a series where the two teams are so even. Cryin' about the diving, refs, crappy ice in SJ, overpaid top non-producers, etc. is not going to level this series.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:16 PM

Take Heatley or Marleau off or team and we'll still beat you.


LOL. Heatley should stop by his church of choice every effing day of the week and thank a higher power that he even plays in the NHL. If a certain judge owned a pair of testicles, he would be rotting in a Georgia jail cell following the vehicular manslaughter of his good friend.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:18 PM

I have not stated that SJ rolled over your Wings. You are absolutely correct that either team was inches, fractions of inches, away from defeat in multiple games. It was a hell of a series.

It's ok to Clowe bash but when Bertuzzi goes head-hunting, it's not?


Huh? Only "head hunting" I saw was his hitting Pavelski who was horribly paralyzed for about 10 seconds before making a miraculous recovery and appearing on the next shift.

It's ok to call the Sharks divers, when your last night Howard drops like a powder-puff?


Lol what? Howard didn't flop. Maybe you're referring to when Boyle's stick got caught in his mask and wasn't called goaltender interference.

It's ok to call the Sharks cheaters when Stuart changes his stick in game one after an icing call to delay the faceoff?


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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:05 PM

Hit me today that our season was over. :(

I was hoping we could play on so that Lidstrom could challenge the all time playoff games record.

Also, Datsyuk was playing so well that it's a shame to see his season end. I'd love to have seen how much further he could have taken his game.
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