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#81 dobbles

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 04:44 PM

Thank you. It was indeed a great series.

IMO, there were two things that turned out to be decisive.

1- Home ice. While I was cautiously optimistic about Game 7, I was glad it wasn't being played in Detroit.

2- The Wings easy win against the Coyotes gave them valuable time to get as healthy as possible. OTOH, the Wings didn't have to get into playoff mode. That cost them early in this series.


first off, your begging for partiality and whining when you dont get it is getting very old. its not going to happen, so either accept how it is or GTFO.

regarding your post, i actually think it comes down to one very simple thing. the sharks penalty kill. it was good and frustrated the wings PP causing them to be even worse. the 2 wings PP's in the first period were simply awful. had they scored or even generated some chances/momentum, that first period could have went much differently. instead, they looked totally lost and it ended in that awful zetterberg turnover for the 2nd goal. furthermore, in the 3rd, the PP was almost as bad. it was rather ineffective the first time and poor zone possession led to the kronwall penalty that ended the first PP. and even the 4th PP was pretty brutal.

kudos to the sharks PK as it prevented any sort of entry and minimized TOA during the PPs. I think their early success frustrated the wings and caused them to second guess their entries which caused a nice circular effect.

regarding your points, i think home ice had little to do with it. the wings were 2nd in the league in road wins in the regular season, and were 3-1 on the road in the playoffs entering the game. and only the rangers had fewer home wins in the regular season among playoff teams. the wings struggled at home down the stretch. so to me, home ice had little to do with the game itself.

the time off before the series might have been a factor, but last year they had a tooth and nail fight in the first round and still got bombed in the first 3 games of the second round. so both ways ended up in a 3-0 hole. you also have to remember 2 of the first 3 games were OT, they could have ended very different. (i'm not saying the wings deserved to win or anything, but just with a little different puck luck, we would be having very different conversations, so try not to put too much stock into little thing. in other words, correlation doesnt mean causation)

thats enough rambling for now.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 04:58 PM

Rule 1: Never congratulate the team that beat you, whether it look them 4 games or 7. They beat you, they didn't graduate summa cum laude from Harvard.

Rule 2: Never hope for them to continue winning now that they've eliminated you. That would be like asking an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend to send you tapes of themf****** their newest partner while you're still single on the couch eating Haagen-Daaz by the quart.

Rule 3: Don't post that tripe here right after we lose a hard-fought series where we came back from the brink of being swept.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:07 PM

Rule 1: Never congratulate the team that beat you, whether it look them 4 games or 7. They beat you, they didn't graduate summa cum laude from Harvard.

Rule 2: Never hope for them to continue winning now that they've eliminated you. That would be like asking an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend to send you tapes of themf****** their newest partner while you're still single on the couch eating Haagen-Daaz by the quart.

Rule 3: Don't post that tripe here right after we lose a hard-fought series where we came back from the brink of being swept.


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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:09 PM

I have no idea where you get the idea that Vancouver has bandwagon fans. Currently Vancouver has the longest sellout streak in the NHL. Given Vancouver's history of playoff failure its a wonder they as man fans as they do.

No only that, Vancouver vs. Nashville drew the highest ratings ever for a second round series on CBC.

Vancouver has plenty of diehard fans.

Its so easy to be a Wings fan. An attitude like yours makes me sick. Cheering for the Wings is like cheering for the Yankees (its fine if you're from Detroit, but if you're not from Detroit you're the definition of a bandwagon fan). 20 years straight in the playoffs and 4 cups during that time. Miss the playoffs 2 out of 3 season and comeback and talk to me about being a diehard. My guess is that Wings haven't missed the playoffs since you were a small boy and most Wings fans cannot remember what it was like to support a struggling franchise.



So if you're a Red Wings fan and you're not from Detroit, no matter how long you've been a fan, you're a bandwagoner? There's a ton of bandwagon fans here then, because we literally have fans who are from all over the world -- Australia, England, Finland, Sweden, Canada, nearly all 50 states, I think we might even have a couple fans in Mexico, too.

Well damn. I guess we all suck, then. Thanks for pointing it out for us, whatever would we do without you?

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:25 PM

Well I'm kinda PO'd as I wanted the Wings to play my team in the conference final but as it is... stay tuned for the upcoming show...



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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:02 PM

Umm... No, f*** the sharks. f*** hudler as well.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:06 PM

first off, your begging for partiality and whining when you dont get it is getting very old. its not going to happen, so either accept how it is or GTFO.

regarding your post, i actually think it comes down to one very simple thing. the sharks penalty kill. it was good and frustrated the wings PP causing them to be even worse. the 2 wings PP's in the first period were simply awful. had they scored or even generated some chances/momentum, that first period could have went much differently. instead, they looked totally lost and it ended in that awful zetterberg turnover for the 2nd goal. furthermore, in the 3rd, the PP was almost as bad. it was rather ineffective the first time and poor zone possession led to the kronwall penalty that ended the first PP. and even the 4th PP was pretty brutal.

kudos to the sharks PK as it prevented any sort of entry and minimized TOA during the PPs. I think their early success frustrated the wings and caused them to second guess their entries which caused a nice circular effect.

regarding your points, i think home ice had little to do with it. the wings were 2nd in the league in road wins in the regular season, and were 3-1 on the road in the playoffs entering the game. and only the rangers had fewer home wins in the regular season among playoff teams. the wings struggled at home down the stretch. so to me, home ice had little to do with the game itself.

the time off before the series might have been a factor, but last year they had a tooth and nail fight in the first round and still got bombed in the first 3 games of the second round. so both ways ended up in a 3-0 hole. you also have to remember 2 of the first 3 games were OT, they could have ended very different. (i'm not saying the wings deserved to win or anything, but just with a little different puck luck, we would be having very different conversations, so try not to put too much stock into little thing. in other words, correlation doesnt mean causation)

thats enough rambling for now.


First off, I'm not begging or whining about anything, least of all, partiality from Wings fans. I've expressed my opinion in passing that it seems a little over the top, especially after such a great series, but I haven't belabored the point. I would have thought, like two fighters going toe to toe for 12 grueling rounds, there would be more mutual respect. Hey, not the first time I've been wrong.

I replied to a poster who offered courteous congratulations. Much appreciated. I can jump in the sandbox, but I prefer to talk hockey. To that end...

I agree with you that the Sharks PK was a pleasant surprise. It hasn't been that good all year. I fully expected the Wings to light them up much more than they did. I credit TMac and the other coaches with making an adjustment, namely challenging the entry. It was a calculated risk that, on the whole, worked out. At the same time, the Wings PK stepped up, as well. They were effective limiting the Sharks PP game after game. I don't think either team had an edge in special teams.

Yes, the Wings are a very good road team. Once again, both teams are similar. The Wings 3-1 road record in the playoffs is a little misleading since that is more a result of the sweep of Phoenix. In this series, both teams had identical 2-1 records at home going into Game 7. /shrug/ Seems to me the only real value of home ice in a series is getting Game 7. You think Vancouver wanted to play Game 7 at Chicago?

Wings went down 0-3 in both series but for different reasons. Yes, last year the Wings were drained coming into the series. IMO, it wasn't rust this year but lack of a quality playoff opponent in Round 1 that led to the slow start. True, every game was close. But I think it is fair to say the Sharks were the better team early in the series. The Wings got better with every game. Last year's series was misleading because the 4-1 record didn't reflect how close the series really was. It could easily have gone 7 games.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:09 PM

Also, if we got the past the sharks we would win the cup. Sharks just beat our asses down low and can not do ANYTHING else, teams like vancouver could not handle a never say die detroit redwings team. And who ever is coming out of the east sure as hell wouldn't. Sharks are bastards, just like the ducks were a couple of years ago. Datsyuk and zettz were clicking as well, we were starting to fire on all cylinders, with an amazing goalie. (playing out of his mind). So to congralulate the sharks is basically eating their s***. I don't like to eat s***, and neither should you. f*** hudlers, babcock and holland need to learn to not have ANY f*** ups on the team. Get rid of hudler and get a solid player, that just fits, plays hard, and doesn't do anything stupid. I rather a player like that get 0 goals and work hard than hudler making every wrong decision.

f*** the sharks, f*** thorton, f*** couture, f*** all them *****. We are the stanley cup champions, the premiere franchise in all of sports, we tell other teams to get on their knees for us, NOT the other way around. The sharks will always eat s***, for now and forever. The canuck are garbage, f*** em to, i hope an eastern conference team wins it.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:11 PM

We are about to make very short work of your team Easymark ;)

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:27 PM

You got blinders on, seriously. Once a team becomes successful, they get bandwagon fans, if you really think that Canuck fans are only die hard fans your pretty slow. Sellout streaks have nothing to do with Canucks having die hard fans either, your Arena sits around 18,000+ seats, Canucks make the playoffs and have a very deep team, and Canucks are in CANADA, they will sellout regardless! Even Edmonton with their rebuilding team has a large sellout streak going. Cheering for the Wings has nothing to do with the Yankees, totally different sports with different rules including a cap that took place over 8 years ago. Wings develope and draft their talent while the Yankees purchase their talent, big difference.


First, and to be completely clear, I did not say Vancouver has exclusively die-hard fans. I was responding to a poster who referred to all Vancouver fans as of the bandwagon variety.

Second, sellout streaks are one of several indicators of a strong diehard fan base. The Canuck sellout streak stretches back to at least two non-playoff seasons. If I'm not mistaken Minnesota and Colorado all had long sellout streaks break when their teams took downturns. As for the Oilers, I believe their streak was broken at something like 150. Vancouver is approaching 10 consecutive seasons completely sold out.

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As for the Yankees/Wings comparison...Brett Hull, Luc Robaitaille, Dominik Hasek and Chris Chelios say hi. Listen the Wings are a great organization and I respect a lot of what they have done over the years. But to not draw a comparison with the Yankees is foolish. Unless I'm wrong Jeter, Rivera, Rivera and Posada matchup pretty nicely with Lidstrom, Yzerman, Fedorov and Datsyuk/Zetterberg. The cap may have changed things over the last SIX seasons, but the Wings are still living on a tradition built in the pre-cap era. To be clear, I do not blame the Wings for being a top spender in the pre-cap era rather I respect their management and ownership's commitment to spending and winning.

But listen, the Wings-Yankees comparison is more than fair and has been made by many.

To pardon your ignorance, just because the Wings made the playoffs 20 straight times and won the cup 4 times in that 20 years doesn't mean their isn't any diehard Wings fans, thats a ridiculous argument. Your team doesn't need to struggle in order to have diehard fans, in the 1970's did Montreal not have diehard fans because they won the cup 8 times ? Stupid anaolgy. Whether Wings fans remember before Yzerman was drafted or not that doesn't disclude them from being diehard Wing fans. One argument that really irks me is "You have to be from Detroit to be a Wings fan". I used to live in Detroit but because of other Job opportunities I had to leave and move to Canada, that doesn't discredit me as a Wings fan nor does it make me a 'Bandwagon' fan just because I don't live there. I have friends out here that weren't born in Detroit, but their parents were born their and moved and they grew up cheering for them because their parents did, but somehow you seem to think thats the definition of a bandwagon fan, pretty sad, stop letting ignorance get in your way.


To be clear, I never said the Wings do not have diehard fans. To be clear, I never said you had to live in Detroit to be a Wings fan--though you imply that's what I said. By calling me ignorant you are showing your ignorance in reading comprehension.

No where in my post did I suggest there isn't a single diehard fan of the Red Wings. Clearly there are many diehard Wings fans. What I did say, is that those people who are not from (or have significant ties to) Detroit that are Wings fans are the definition of bandwagon fans.

Of course if you are from Detroit, but no longer live there you are free to be a Wings fan. In fact, anyone is free to be a Wings fan. But if you have no ties to Detroit and you choose to cheer for the Wings there is a good chance you are a bandwagon (aka fair weather) fan. It is easy to be a Wings fan, they never miss the playoffs and are never bad. Hence if you choose the Wings out of all the teams you are likely, though not necessarily, a bandwagon fan.

The Wings have always been my second favourite team and I don't begrudge their success to their fans. But, I'd put the (long suffering) Vancouver fanbase up against the Wings' any day.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:41 PM

Also, if we got the past the sharks we would win the cup. Sharks just beat our asses down low and can not do ANYTHING else, teams like vancouver could not handle a never say die detroit redwings team. And who ever is coming out of the east sure as hell wouldn't. Sharks are bastards, just like the ducks were a couple of years ago. Datsyuk and zettz were clicking as well, we were starting to fire on all cylinders, with an amazing goalie. (playing out of his mind). So to congralulate the sharks is basically eating their s***. I don't like to eat s***, and neither should you. f*** hudlers, babcock and holland need to learn to not have ANY f*** ups on the team. Get rid of hudler and get a solid player, that just fits, plays hard, and doesn't do anything stupid. I rather a player like that get 0 goals and work hard than hudler making every wrong decision.

f*** the sharks, f*** thorton, f*** couture, f*** all them *****. We are the stanley cup champions, the premiere franchise in all of sports, we tell other teams to get on their knees for us, NOT the other way around. The sharks will always eat s***, for now and forever. The canuck are garbage, f*** em to, i hope an eastern conference team wins it.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:45 PM

I WILL NOT root for the sharks even if they are the last team in the world. They are a bunch of diving cheap shot artists. Yes they beat us because they got the lucky bounces- does anybody remember the OT winner that went off of the shaft of our guys stick? That was the difference in the series.

I will never forget the Joe Thorton dive when Franzen slashed at him for going after Franzen's ankle.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:52 PM

Of course if you are from Detroit, but no longer live there you are free to be a Wings fan. In fact, anyone is free to be a Wings fan. But if you have no ties to Detroit and you choose to cheer for the Wings there is a good chance you are a bandwagon (aka fair weather) fan. It is easy to be a Wings fan, they never miss the playoffs and are never bad. Hence if you choose the Wings out of all the teams you are likely, though not necessarily, a bandwagon fan.



You are stunningly and embarrassingly full of s***. Have a nice evening.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 08:34 PM

You are stunningly and embarrassingly full of s***. Have a nice evening.


I kind of agree with him...on that quote at least.

Not all, but most of the fans that have no ties to Michigan are bandwagon fans. It's hard to argue that.

Just like the whole "Red Sox Nation" garbage, where probably 30% have no ties to Boston, and only became Red Sox fans when it was "cool."
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 09:04 PM

f*** the sharks, f*** thorton, f*** couture, f*** all them *****. We are the stanley cup champions, the premiere franchise in all of sports, we tell other teams to get on their knees for us, NOT the other way around. The sharks will always eat s***, for now and forever. The canuck are garbage, f*** em to, i hope an eastern conference team wins it.




This is why Red Wings fans have the rep they have. You sound like the French: "We have a great culture, you culture-less americans! We were great when you didn't exist! Bah! You beat us, but we were more stylish! We are the real winners!"



Red wings fans are the "France" of the NHL it seems :/ Why can't you just admit you got beaten by a better team two years in a row?



Thank you, original poster. At least you show that some red wings fans are classy.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 09:26 PM

This is why Red Wings fans have the rep they have. You sound like the French: "We have a great culture, you culture-less americans! We were great when you didn't exist! Bah! You beat us, but we were more stylish! We are the real winners!"

Red wings fans are the "France" of the NHL it seems :/ Why can't you just admit you got beaten by a better team two years in a row?

Thank you, original poster. At least you show that some red wings fans are classy.

First of all -- it's very difficult to take someone seriously who just signed up on this forum the day after the Wings were eliminated from the playoffs and who is now bashing Wings fans.

Secondly, you made a serious mistake by generalizing. I'm not a Wings fan but I know enough of them that I consider them to be among the best in the NHL. While your point did have merit and the parallel you drew was a decent one, it applied to the guy you quoted, not the general populace.

Thirdly, generalizing like that and expecting Wings fans to be all warm and cuddly and respectful is a losing proposition. You will reap what you sow -- but on your first day here you've planted nothing but a big crop of turds.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 09:30 PM

I hope the Canucks roll the Sharks like the Hawks did last year.

Nothing would delight me more than to see Thornton miss out on another shot at the cup.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 09:51 PM

This is why Red Wings fans have the rep they have. You sound like the French: "We have a great culture, you culture-less americans! We were great when you didn't exist! Bah! You beat us, but we were more stylish! We are the real winners!"



Red wings fans are the "France" of the NHL it seems :/ Why can't you just admit you got beaten by a better team two years in a row?



Thank you, original poster. At least you show that some red wings fans are classy.

Dude, Red Wings message board, what do you expect?

See this is why I wasn't to happy our board and the Sharks board tired to be friends before the start of the series and encouraged each other to post on each other's boards. Sure there's classy people who came over for the series, but it opens it up for stuff like this.

Not my decisions, so whatever.

I hope the Canucks roll the Sharks like the Hawks did last year.

Nothing would delight me more than to see Thornton miss out on another shot at the cup.

I hate to say it, but I think this is San Jose's year. We had problems at times generating offense against them because of their size. With the way the Sedin's are playing, I don't think Vancouver has a chance.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:42 PM

I kind of agree with him...on that quote at least.

Not all, but most of the fans that have no ties to Michigan are bandwagon fans. It's hard to argue that.

Just like the whole "Red Sox Nation" garbage, where probably 30% have no ties to Boston, and only became Red Sox fans when it was "cool."



A bandwagon fan is a fan who only likes the team when they are winning and then "jumps off the bandwagon" when they start losing. What does that have to do with where you were born? I was born and raised in Chicago and live in North Carolina now, but have been a Red Wings fan for nearly 20 years. I'm a bandwagon fan even though I've never stopped rooting for them, even though we've been bounced out of the playoffs several times or lost the Stanley Cup a couple times?

A bandwagon fan is NOT just a fan who isn't from that particular city/state. You're painting too many people with the same brush.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:52 PM

I kind of agree with him...on that quote at least.

Not all, but most of the fans that have no ties to Michigan are bandwagon fans. It's hard to argue that.

Just like the whole "Red Sox Nation" garbage, where probably 30% have no ties to Boston, and only became Red Sox fans when it was "cool."

It's not as if some of us have family that introduced us to hockey from Michigan, or have a father from Livonia (o hai there), right? Course not.

Oh, also it's not like those from Michigan who take their winters down south decided to stay there, and brought family along who happen to be Wings fans amirite? Nah.

Or better yet, it's not like people from Michigan decided to move elsewhere seeking a job or better job opportunities and happened to carry their fandom with them? No way there.


Bandwagon fans can easily be described synonymously as fairweather fans.. those who join when the team is good, because the team is good, riding the coattails of success, and are quick to jump off the bandwagon at the slightest bit of adversity. I suggest you figure out the difference before another clownish post.


Of course if you are from Detroit, but no longer live there you are free to be a Wings fan. In fact, anyone is free to be a Wings fan. But if you have no ties to Detroit and you choose to cheer for the Wings there is a good chance you are a bandwagon (aka fair weather) fan. It is easy to be a Wings fan, they never miss the playoffs and are never bad. Hence if you choose the Wings out of all the teams you are likely, though not necessarily, a bandwagon fan.

Oh here is where you are wrong, newcomer. It is NOT easy being a Wings fan here, especially seeing handfuls of posts declaring one's team being out of the playoffs in a one-goal game in the second period of a close contest, even after one's team has proven that no lead is safe.

Edited by Shoreline, 13 May 2011 - 10:57 PM.






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