robb himself 143 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) If Lidstrom AND Ericsson are both re-signed... give me : Lidstrom, Wisneiwski Kronwall, Pitkanen Stuart, Ericsson 7th Kindl If Lidstrom decides to retire... give me : Kronwall, Wisneiwski Ehrhoff, Pitkanen Stuart, Ericsson 7th Kindl and if we also let Ericsson walk... give me : Kronwall, Wisneiwski Ehrhoff, Pitkanen Stuart, Babchuk 7th Kindl boom. Edited June 5, 2011 by robb himself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 If Lidstrom AND Ericsson are both re-signed... give me : Lidstrom, Wizneiwski Kronwall, Pitkanen Stuart, Ericsson 7th Kindl If Lidstrom decides to retire... give me : Kronwall, Wizneiwski Ehrhoff, Pitkanen Stuart, Ericsson 7th Kindl and if we also let Ericsson walk... give me : Kronwall, Wizneiwski Ehrhoff, Pitkanen Stuart, Babchuk 7th Kindl boom. So basically you are saying sign whoever you can so Kindl doesn't have a spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 no...just if there is a better player out there to be had...get him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($3.250m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Joni Pitkanen ($4.000m) Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.300m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,292,044; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,107,956 I think the team will look a lot like this for next season....and if so...im pretty happy about it for the most part.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 Interest in richards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 I never suggested Meech as a top four defenseman. I suggested him as a top six role. Playing with Lidstrom makes him top four? No it doesn't. Niklas Kronwall was the team's #2 at ES, but his partner was Ruslan Salei - who was the team's #6. Jonathan Ericsson played more at even strength per game than Nicklas Lidstrom, Brian Rafalski, or Salei. For example; Larry is the #1 defenseman. Bob plays 15 minutes with Larry. Fred and John are the #2 and #3 defensemen. They each play 5 minutes with Larry and 15 minutes together. Al and Jim are the third pairing, and they play 18 minutes together, and Bob plays one minute with each of Al and Jim. What happens? Bob plays almost all of his ice time with Larry. Larry plays more than half of his with Bob. Yet Larry is the #1 defenseman and Bob is the #6. Ice time is not the only factor. Pairing him with Nick with "a lot of Rafalski's duties" is a pretty important role, and since you didn't specify the expected ice time or who he'd be matching up against or any other limitations on his role... Again, if he was anything more than a fringe NHLer, it's unlikely he'd have passed through waivers twice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 Interest in richards Ha, LaBrun. "...Wings might be interested in Richards, but only on a short-term, cap-friendly deal..." ...also rumored that the Pope is Catholic. 2 55fan and Konnan511 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 5, 2011 If Lidstrom AND Ericsson are both re-signed... give me : Lidstrom, Wisneiwski Kronwall, Pitkanen Stuart, Ericsson 7th Kindl How many times must it be said by numerous people that Pitkanen is horrible for the price he'll come at? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 How many times must it be said by numerous people that Pitkanen is horrible for the price he'll come at? umm apparently many times...because I disagree entirely...but you can keep saying it if you like... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 How many times must it be said by numerous people that Pitkanen is horrible for the price he'll come at? Under 4 million hes a great deal, especially if its long term. Hes a good puck mover, young, and not horrible defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Under 4 million hes a great deal, especially if its long term. Hes a good puck mover, young, and not horrible defensively. That's just the thing: he IS horrible defensively. And do you honestly think that at his age, he's going to take a salary decrease in a free-agent market that has very few decent defensemen? He'll get a raise. Edited June 5, 2011 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 That's just the thing: he IS horrible defensively. No, hes not, from what I've seen of him hes pretty decent, hes not a 1-2 guy, but hes a solid 3-4 with a lot of PP upside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 5, 2011 No, hes not, from what I've seen of him hes pretty decent, hes not a 1-2 guy, but hes a solid 3-4 with a lot of PP upside. Well, whatever. In any event, he won't be had for less than $4m. The Hurricanes will probably put up a fight to keep him, and that means $5m+ easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X13WINGS13X 25 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($2.000m) Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Milan Lucic ($4.083m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) Drew Miller ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Anton Babchuk ($1.600m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.100m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($1.100m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,082,044; BONUSES: $260,000 CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $377,956 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mjtm77 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($3.250m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Joni Pitkanen ($4.000m) Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.300m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,292,044; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,107,956 I think the team will look a lot like this for next season....and if so...im pretty happy about it for the most part.... exept erricson will be making more money if he stays here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kerjuxaxaxa 6 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Is it possible that Lidstrem'll agree to reduce his salary for 1M in terms to make the team stronger with some changes in weak areas?? Sorry for my english Edited June 5, 2011 by Kerjuxaxaxa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Can we all at least agree that Wade Belak is a good fit here? He can play both forward and defense (can Crosby do that?) and has that North American blonde hair and square jaw that fans at the JLA would root for. Belak = ratings Oh and he can be coaxed out of retirement to take one last run at the Cup (he's never won one) Edited June 5, 2011 by GMRwings1983 1 Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) I think the team will look a lot like this for next season....and if so...im pretty happy about it for the most part.... So not only did Ericsson make 1.25mil this season in terms of salary, and not only did he turn down a 2mil/yr contract, but he's going to sign for only 900K? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 5, 2011 CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($2.000m) Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Milan Lucic ($4.083m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) Drew Miller ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Anton Babchuk ($1.600m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.100m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($1.100m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,082,044; BONUSES: $260,000 CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $377,956 lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 lol. I disagree, sir. Lmfao or rofl is more appropriate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted June 6, 2011 So basically you are saying sign whoever you can so Kindl doesn't have a spot. Also he is saying "sign whoever because Brad Stuart is clearly not good enough to play in our top four"...even thought Mike Babcock has consistently said he's our best stay at home defenseman, and one of the steadiest in the league. Is it possible that Lidstrem'll agree to reduce his salary for 1M in terms to make the team stronger with some changes in weak areas?? Sorry for my english I doubt he'd take a million dollar pay cut. He's taken pay cuts in the past but considering this is his last year (probably) and considering what he means to the organization, I doubt they'd ask him to take anything less than 6 million dollars for one year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 6, 2011 Also he is saying "sign whoever because Brad Stuart is clearly not good enough to play in our top four"...even thought Mike Babcock has consistently said he's our best stay at home defenseman, and one of the steadiest in the league. I doubt he'd take a million dollar pay cut. He's taken pay cuts in the past but considering this is his last year (probably) and considering what he means to the organization, I doubt they'd ask him to take anything less than 6 million dollars for one year. Exactly. I bet he goes from 6.2 to 6, and that's it and for what he brings to the table, he's worth every penny(and then some) and people suggesting he take less are crazy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($2.000m) Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Milan Lucic ($4.083m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) Drew Miller ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Anton Babchuk ($1.600m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.100m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($1.100m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,082,044; BONUSES: $260,000 CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $377,956 There's a 23-man roster cap. Which is fine, because Tatar and Smith will be in Grand Rapids and don't have to pass through waivers. You do seem to be a pretty good GM otherwise, because you've traded Jiri Hudler in a three-way-deal for Milan Lucic AND Sergei Kostitsyn. Truly a magician. Realistically though... 1) Nashville won't just let their leading scorer sign with someone else, especially Detroit. He also will cost more than $2m. 2) Boston won't be trading Lucic. For Hudler or anyone else. You'd be looking at two of Franzen/Filppula/Hudler plus one of Kindl/Smith and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Something along the lines of "Trading a bunch of good players for one guy" and Holland isn't going to do that for Lucic. He might do it to get Crosby or Ovechkin, but not Lucic. 3) Ehrhoff will be making closer to $5m. Maybe higher. 4) Babchuk will probably be in the $2.5-$3m range. 5) Ericsson won't be staying for less than $2m, and won't be staying if he's not in the top six. 6) Osgood will be making about half that much if he comes back. So let's drop Lucic, Kostitsyn, put Hudler back, and drop Smith. That cuts the roster by the necessary amount, and raises the available cap space to about $4.46m. Bump Ehrhoff to $5m and Babchuk to $3m. Now we're looking at $2.06m. Cut Ozzie's salary in half. $2.61m. Now bump Ericsson's salary up to $2m, and we're back down to $1.71m in cap space. So that's not so unrealistic there, except for the question of the cap space. Would Holland be happy with that roster and having that cap space? What if Tatar spends the year in Grand Rapids and Emmerton gets that spot (up to $2.02m) and then you replace Miller and his $1m with a better forward, like Jussi Jokinen? 1 Konnan511 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 7, 2011 Also he is saying "sign whoever because Brad Stuart is clearly not good enough to play in our top four"...even thought Mike Babcock has consistently said he's our best stay at home defenseman, and one of the steadiest in the league. I doubt he'd take a million dollar pay cut. He's taken pay cuts in the past but considering this is his last year (probably) and considering what he means to the organization, I doubt they'd ask him to take anything less than 6 million dollars for one year. Lidstrom has banked ~94mil, I think Lidstrom would be ok telling Kenny and Mr. Illitch that he'd play for around 5mil or less. [stuff] Spot on. Very little mention of Hudler and no mention of Pitkanen. +1 for you. Plus, I agree with everything you said...I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) My perfect off-season (not that I think this is what the roster WILL look like, but this is what I am hoping for right now) for what we need, cost, etc, would be: **LINES ARE JUST SUBJECTIVE AND ARE JUST FOR FORMATTING PURPOSE** FORWARDS Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) Cody McCormick ($1.000m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.300m) Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) Jan Mursak ($0.550m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Steve Montador ($1.750m) Doug Janik ($0.512m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Ty Conklin ($0.900m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,054,544; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,145,456 This also leaves some good cap space for re-signing our assets next year as well as any trade deadline moves... Edited June 8, 2011 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
