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#181 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 12:06 PM

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Roster next year
Howard MacDonald cap hit $2.9m

Doughty Kronwall cap hit $7.3m
Lidstrom Bogosian cap hit $10.5m
Stuart Rafalski cap hit $9.75m
Kindl cap hit $0.821

Franzen Zetterberg Cleary cap hit $12.8m
Kostitsyn Datsyuk Bertuzzi cap hit $10m
Eaves Filppula Mursak cap hit $4.3m
Abdelkader Helm Staubitz cap hit $2.3m
Holmstrom cap hit $1.875m
Total cap hit $61.1m. is that just under the proposed new cap?


It's dreaming to think the Wings will be able to lure Doughty away from LA, but if I'm understanding your numbers, you're also saying the Wings will sign him for $4.3 mill??

Doughty is a RFA, so the Kings get to match any offer sheet made to him by another team and there's no way they let him go for that little. Actually there's likely no way Doughty signs for that little unless they sign him until he's 45 to reduce the cap hit. But after Kovalchuk I don't see teams pushing their luck that far.

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 01:19 PM

Tiny tweaks is all this team needs. I say re-sign Ericsson and find a replacement for Salei. Maybe let Miller go, re-sign Draper to a cheap two-way contract for leadership depth, and find a solid, universal 3rd liner with some speed, who is good in the face-off circle, and can also handle the 2nd line role if needed to fill in for an injury. Who? I have no fookin clue.

EDIT:

Did I just describe Manny Melhotra?

Edited by Heaten, 22 May 2011 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2011 - 08:42 PM

Tiny tweaks is all this team needs. I say re-sign Ericsson and find a replacement for Salei. Maybe let Miller go, re-sign Draper to a cheap two-way contract for leadership depth, and find a solid, universal 3rd liner with some speed, who is good in the face-off circle, and can also handle the 2nd line role if needed to fill in for an injury. Who? I have no fookin clue.

EDIT:

Did I just describe Manny Melhotra?

Yes, but even though Malhotra WANTED to be here, Holland said no thanks to him at $1.5M and gave it to Jason Williams instead... Yay greatest GM!

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 09:02 PM

Yes, but even though Malhotra WANTED to be here, Holland said no thanks to him at $1.5M and gave it to Jason Williams instead... Yay greatest GM!


Manny Malhotra shoots right?

To be fair about Williams, he was coming off an almost 50 point season (and shoots right). If I remember correctly, Holland wanted to find a point shot for the PP. I don't think Malhotra fits the bill.

Nicklas Lidström is, in fact, human. So I guess this means Kenny Holland is human too? What is this world coming too????!!?

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 09:09 PM

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Radim Vrbata ($3.750m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.750m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Cam Janssen ($0.800m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.250m)
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,583,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $916,289

Adds a pair of wingers who can add more offense to the club in Vrbata and Jokinen. Then you add in Janssen in an enforcer role(or try Rupp from Pittsburgh) and finally add in Wisniewski to pair with Kronwall and put Nick and Raffi on the second line. But, it really doesn't matter because I don't expect Holland to do too much.

Those are decent adds...except those lines would be terrible. The fourth line is defensively weak and slow and the third line is defensively weak.
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#186 LeftWinger

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 09:26 PM

Manny Malhotra shoots right?

To be fair about Williams, he was coming off an almost 50 point season (and shoots right). If I remember correctly, Holland wanted to find a point shot for the PP. I don't think Malhotra fits the bill.

Nicklas Lidström is, in fact, human. So I guess this means Kenny Holland is human too? What is this world coming too????!!?

Finally we hear it, Holland is human and makes mistakes and isn't the Stonewall, Ironclad GM he is rumored to be. Malhotra 1,000,000 X better than Williams... Oh well, lets hope Robo-Holland shows up this off season and doesn't make any human mistakes...

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 09:48 PM

Finally we hear it, Holland is human and makes mistakes and isn't the Stonewall, Ironclad GM he is rumored to be. Malhotra 1,000,000 X better than Williams... Oh well, lets hope Robo-Holland shows up this off season and doesn't make any human mistakes...


Apparently, Mike Ilitch was using Holland's magic eight ball that day. He should have known that Jason Williams was going to break his leg and be a none factor for the remainder of his time here. DAMN YOU MAGIC EIGHT BALL!!!11

#188 Bring Back The Bruise Bros

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 10:46 PM

Dear Mr. Holland,

For the love of Probie, please bring Brandon Dubinsky and a gritty faceoff guy to Detroit!


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#189 WingZNut13

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Posted 22 May 2011 - 11:22 PM

I don't know if anyone saw this but I think it's funny that he has some of the same ideas that a lot of people on here have.

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#190 LeftWinger

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 03:40 PM

I don't know if anyone saw this but I think it's funny that he has some of the same ideas that a lot of people on here have.

http://www.freep.com...2/1053/sports05

yeah, I wonder how many "negs" he received for saying trade Hudler... :ninja:

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 03:50 PM

What do you think are the chances that Nick takes a cut in salary and in return has performance bonuses?

Is this also a slap to the face in the way that asking him to take a pay cut would be?

Just asking.

EDIT: Guess that won't be necessary if Rafalski's hit is coming off the books.

Edited by e_prime, 23 May 2011 - 04:28 PM.

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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 04:31 PM

yeah, I wonder how many "negs" he received for saying trade Hudler... :ninja:


Probably jut eva. Haha.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 06:27 PM

According to HF Boards in the Canucks section due to Rafi retiring we are going for Ehrhoff. It's pretty funny reading the thread there. Apparently we are going to offer 6 million to him. lol.

The thread if anyone cares. I was gonna post there and let them know we wouldn't do that but... i'm to lazy to create an account.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 06:47 PM

What do you think are the chances that Nick takes a cut in salary and in return has performance bonuses?

Is this also a slap to the face in the way that asking him to take a pay cut would be?

Just asking.

EDIT: Guess that won't be necessary if Rafalski's hit is coming off the books.

The 6 million plus change that he was paid this last season is already a substantial pay cut from 10 million and 7.6 million, given his production has been virtually the same, with only slight diminishing of his skill on the ice. Comparatively, Stevie Y was paid 4 million (up to 6 million with bonuses/incentives) at the last year of his contract, and that was because his role in the team had diminished to basically leadership only. His production had gone significantly downhill from his high paying years, and he was injured quite frequently, which obviously reduced his effectiveness as the on-ice Captain. Nick hasn't missed a single game in the last two seasons and is yet again a finalist for the Norris trophy -- second amongst NHL defensemen in points.

It's extremely hard for me to argue another Nick Lidstrom pay cut. I don't think it would be fair to Nick at all. He's easily worth 10 and some.

Edited by Shoreline, 24 May 2011 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2011 - 10:01 PM

Dear Mr. Holland,

For the love of Probie, please bring Brandon Dubinsky and a gritty faceoff guy to Detroit!


Sincerely,

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yeah because we faired so well in the playoff then
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 10:22 PM

OK This would be my dream scenario if the Cap is 62.2mill

changes would be to trade Flip to WAS for Green....
Trade Huds to NYI for Nabokov
Let "E" and Salei walk

Sign Laich,Sturm, Ehrhoff, and Wis.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.750m)
Brooks Laich ($2.800m) / Marco Sturm ($2.500m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
/ Drew Miller ($0.650m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.900m)
Mike Green ($5.250m) / James Wisniewski ($3.650m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($3.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
/ Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,578,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $621,289



the numbers might not be EXACT on guys like Sturm (maybe a bit much) But this (to me) looks solid.
I know Wis would want more and Ehrhoff too, But I am also on the premiss that the cap is at 62.2 and not the possible 64.2 I think is the number I heard..But I am not a GM

I understand alot of money wrapped up in Defense believe me I know I did Say DREAM Scenario

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 24 May 2011 - 10:27 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2011 - 10:13 AM

How about we get some right handed shooters

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 11:20 AM

Mike Green is HORRIBLE defensively. I trust Fil better to play D than him.

Just letting you all know that such a trade would make us a worse team than we were last year.


Here are my steps that I would take.

1. inquire about the cost of a trade for Bogosian in the week of trading before free agency begins.
If you can make a trade using Hudler, Emmerton, and the rights to Ericsson and no other players but whatever picks... Do it. Success chance 10%

2. Failing that you feel out whatever offers there is for Hudler, but do not rush to make a deal.

3. Dawn of free agency you immediately offer Weber a one year offer sheet for the maximum affordable amount for us. If possible make it the maximum cap amount. This forces Nashville to match it and screw up their cap, ensuring that next year Suter and/or Weber will be free agents. If they refuse to match it, Weber comes here and we lose first round picks, which really don't mean that much to us anyways. Our Defense is fixed and no additional moves are necessary on the backend. Success chance 5%

4.Failing that make an offer sheet for Yandle for whatever amount you are willing to pay him. Phoenix will most likely match. Success chance 20%

5. Failing that, go after the following players in this order and do so aggressively

a. Pitkanen Success chance 30%
b. James Wisniewski or Bieksa Success chance 35%/20%
c. Andy Greene Success chance 50%

Make sure you get one of the first three and Andy Greene (provided Ericsson is gone)

Andy Greene is a poor mans Rafalski but without the right handed shot. I think he might be one of the most underrated signings of this offseason.

Also I would be willing to sign all four, if an additional move would be made following those signings.
The idea there would be to have a more deep puck moving core, similar to what Pit did this past season. Less top heavy. Stuart would have to be moved subsequently to make it cap friendly.

6. add one value forward if needed.

7. Get a backup goaltender, I would be fine with Osgood or Larsson myself.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 11:27 AM

8. find a backup plan.

O'Brien? Hannan?
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 11:50 AM

I said to myself a while ago that I would never do one of these, but its just so damn easy. If I were GM, here's what I'd do.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Brad Richards ($7.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.850m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Drew Miller ($0.650m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Scott Hannan ($4.750m)
Ed Jovanovski ($3.500m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,233,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): -$33,711


1. Trade or waive Hudler.
2. Sign Brad Richards to a 9 year, $63 mil deal with it front loaded, of course. I figure a team like the Rangers will offer him $8 mil. Is playing for a contender worth a $1 mil a year? If you want to be successful, its a good idea to be strong down the middle. We COULD have Datsyuk and Z on separate lines, but then we have a need at wing. Richards can also help make up for the loss of Rafalski at the point on the PP.
3. Scott Hannan, a physical defenseman who blocks shots and can really help on the PK.
4. Ed Jovanovski, another physical defenseman with decent puck moving skills. As long as he's not logging a ton of ice time, he'll be effective for us.
5. JS Giguere, he hasn't been on top of his game for the past few years, but I think he'd be a great back up for Howard and would really play well behind this defense. Should be cheap considering his recent decline in numbers.

Edited by xtrememachine1, 25 May 2011 - 11:53 AM.






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