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#301 Shaman

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:26 AM

Let's see, Hudler and Fil combined for 26 goals, 76 points and a -8 while Semin had 28 goals, 54 points and +22 and he had an off year(for him). Then you talk about Green, Kindl and a 1st? So we give up a young guy who points up 4 points and get one of the best young offensive defeseman in the NHL despite having a bad year as well.. And while your at it how about we throw in Miller and Eaves to get Ovechkin too.

Now the only player I would miss would be Fil but that trade is so lopsided it is crazy in my opinion.

I don't know.... seems like an overpayment for Ovechkin, I would say Miller, the rights to Draper, and a 7th would be a much better deal for both sides.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:27 AM

I know some of you have been looking at the Flyers as possible trading partners and I agree. They are in SERIOUS cap trouble because they have a bunch of long term deals tying up a lot of payroll. A guy like Brayden Coburn would be a good fit for the Wings at a decent cap hit. He's big (6'5", 220 lbs), young (26) and led the Flyers in hits in the playoffs. He's also capable of 30+ points a season and can play some serious minutes. Since the Flyers are in a salary-shedding mode, he might be available for less than you'd think. Since they can't afford to take one any more salary, a pick and a prospect (such as Emmerton) might be enough to coerce the Flyers into trading him. Just throwing it out there.


They need to dump more salary than just Coburn's 3.8mill (need around 5-6mill off the books to get bryz). They also will need to replace him coburn and they want to resign nodl and leino. so that means they need to dump a more high priced guy, even with the cap going up. carter is the logical option, briere is a right handed center so they won't miss carter that much.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:40 AM

I don't know.... seems like an overpayment for Ovechkin, I would say Miller, the rights to Draper, and a 7th would be a much better deal for both sides.


Yeah, your right. That would be much a much better deal.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:59 AM

Let's see, Hudler and Fil combined for 26 goals, 76 points and a -8 while Semin had 28 goals, 54 points and +22 and he had an off year(for him). Then you talk about Green, Kindl and a 1st? So we give up a young guy who points up 4 points and get one of the best young offensive defeseman in the NHL despite having a bad year as well.. And while your at it how about we throw in Miller and Eaves to get Ovechkin too.

Now the only player I would miss would be Fil but that trade is so lopsided it is crazy in my opinion.


It likely would not happen. That being said, we don't know how badly the Caps want to keep Semin and Green. The Caps have disappointed in the playoffs and they may want to change things up. It doesn't hurt to ask. That's how Burke fleeced the Flames in the Phaneuf trade. Burke kept asking and eventually Sutter made the deal. Your last two sentences are just immaturity on your part.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:17 PM

The more youtube clips i watch of this guy the more i can't believe he's available. sure hes having a rough patch (and not that great for d), but seriously, can we please bring him in for under 3 mill? holy **** hes got dangles. Id love to see him with dats. i'd ask anyone who thinks hes not worth a try to watch his highlights on youtube. they are some special goals.


I hope to god that Holland doesn't choose his players based on fan-made YouTube reels, sheesh.


Zherdev has been known as one of the laziest players in the league for a long time, which is why no team has ever wanted to keep him around.

There are literally hundreds of players on YouTube who have highlight videos, it is by no means an indication of their overall game or what they would bring to a team.

Please, please, no.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:29 PM

It likely would not happen. That being said, we don't know how badly the Caps want to keep Semin and Green. The Caps have disappointed in the playoffs and they may want to change things up. It doesn't hurt to ask. That's how Burke fleeced the Flames in the Phaneuf trade. Burke kept asking and eventually Sutter made the deal. Your last two sentences are just immaturity on your part.


I would assume the Caps would want to keep their best defenseman and second best forward and I doubt they would give him away for an average player, two below average players and a 1st. And comparing the George McPhee to one of the below average GM's in Burke and a fired one in Sutter is silly.

If you had sad something like Cleary or Franzen, Kronwall and a 1st then I could see that making more sense. And yes the Eaves/Miller for Ovechkin may have been immature but I was trying to make a point that it wouldn't be fair in the slightest for the Capitals.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:41 PM

I would assume the Caps would want to keep their best defenseman and second best forward and I doubt they would give him away for an average player, two below average players and a 1st. And comparing the George McPhee to one of the below average GM's in Burke and a fired one in Sutter is silly.

If you had sad something like Cleary or Franzen, Kronwall and a 1st then I could see that making more sense. And yes the Eaves/Miller for Ovechkin may have been immature but I was trying to make a point that it wouldn't be fair in the slightest for the Capitals.


Mike Green is not the Caps best dman. At best he is their 3rd best. Alzner and Carlson are their shutdown pair and are counted on heavily. Green's main asset is his offense on the PP and that slipped last season. He had trouble staying healthy. Semin's game is also offense but he has a history of not showing up in the playoffs. I would call Hudler below average but Filppula is not. He's solid in all 3 zones and his only problem is he does not provide the offense given his 3 mil a year salary. Kindl is unproven but if the Caps dealt Green they would want a dman coming back. It depends on exactly what Kindl's value is. George McPhee has won the same number of Cups as Darryl Sutter has as a GM. 0. So I am not sure where you are getting 'silly' from. Their recent track records would suggest that McPhee is still very solid while Sutter lost his marbles. However, as Babs says 'until you've won the Cup, you haven't won the Cup.' Burke, though a blowhard, has won a Cup. McPhee has not.

Franzen or Cleary, Kronwall and a 1st is a pointless trade. Why? Because the goal is for the Wings to get better. Not make a lateral move and make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I'd sooner keep those players because I view them as core players as does Holland I assume.

The original proposed trade is most likely not fair for the Caps. However I do not rate Semin and Green as highly as you do which is why I think they could both be had in a trade. Maybe the Red Wings are not the ideal trade partner but their may be a team out there who is.

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 28 May 2011 - 12:44 PM.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:57 PM

Mike Green is not the Caps best dman. At best he is their 3rd best. Alzner and Carlson are their shutdown pair and are counted on heavily. Green's main asset is his offense on the PP and that slipped last season. He had trouble staying healthy. Semin's game is also offense but he has a history of not showing up in the playoffs. I would call Hudler below average but Filppula is not. He's solid in all 3 zones and his only problem is he does not provide the offense given his 3 mil a year salary. Kindl is unproven but if the Caps dealt Green they would want a dman coming back. It depends on exactly what Kindl's value is. George McPhee has won the same number of Cups as Darryl Sutter has as a GM. 0. So I am not sure where you are getting 'silly' from. Their recent track records would suggest that McPhee is still very solid while Sutter lost his marbles. However, as Babs says 'until you've won the Cup, you haven't won the Cup.' Burke, though a blowhard, has won a Cup. McPhee has not.

Franzen or Cleary, Kronwall and a 1st is a pointless trade. Why? Because the goal is for the Wings to get better. Not make a lateral move and make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I'd sooner keep those players because I view them as core players as does Holland I assume.

The original proposed trade is most likely not fair for the Caps. However I do not rate Semin and Green as highly as you do which is why I think they could both be had in a trade. Maybe the Red Wings are not the ideal trade partner but their may be a team out there who is.


The thing is, I never even said I would want Green or Semin on the Wings and when I said one above average player I was referring to Filppula. But I am going to drop it here, my point from the start is that I don't think the Caps would take the trade you originally put out there and even if Holland kept asking the Caps about it, it would not happen. I think that the Wings could get plenty of decent talent without any trades which could be seen by my few posts in this thread, players like Jokinen, Vrbata, Laich, Wisniewski, etc who are all UFA's.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:14 PM

Sorry if it's already mentioned,but what about Tomaš Fleischmann?He might be the top 6 forward Babcock's looking for.After all he was drafted by the Wings.

Dunno about Zherdev.He can play no doubt and I'm curious about him on Pasha's wing,but must be something wrong about him beside he's lazy and sucks :hehe: when nobody didn't pick him when he was waived by Flyers

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:37 PM

Sorry if it's already mentioned,but what about Tomaš Fleischmann?He might be the top 6 forward Babcock's looking for.After all he was drafted by the Wings.

Dunno about Zherdev.He can play no doubt and I'm curious about him on Pasha's wing,but must be something wrong about him beside he's lazy and sucks :hehe: when nobody didn't pick him when he was waived by Flyers



Fleischmann would be ideal however the only question is his health. As for Zherdev, no thanks.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 02:27 PM

Stop mentioning Zherdev! Holland likes to sign or trade for players who play excellent two way games while working hard. Zherdev is on my "Do not sign" list. The guy is a locker room cancer.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 02:29 PM

Mike Green is not the Caps best dman. At best he is their 3rd best. Alzner and Carlson are their shutdown pair and are counted on heavily. Green's main asset is his offense on the PP and that slipped last season. He had trouble staying healthy. Semin's game is also offense but he has a history of not showing up in the playoffs. I would call Hudler below average but Filppula is not. He's solid in all 3 zones and his only problem is he does not provide the offense given his 3 mil a year salary. Kindl is unproven but if the Caps dealt Green they would want a dman coming back. It depends on exactly what Kindl's value is. George McPhee has won the same number of Cups as Darryl Sutter has as a GM. 0. So I am not sure where you are getting 'silly' from. Their recent track records would suggest that McPhee is still very solid while Sutter lost his marbles. However, as Babs says 'until you've won the Cup, you haven't won the Cup.' Burke, though a blowhard, has won a Cup. McPhee has not.

Franzen or Cleary, Kronwall and a 1st is a pointless trade. Why? Because the goal is for the Wings to get better. Not make a lateral move and make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I'd sooner keep those players because I view them as core players as does Holland I assume.

The original proposed trade is most likely not fair for the Caps. However I do not rate Semin and Green as highly as you do which is why I think they could both be had in a trade. Maybe the Red Wings are not the ideal trade partner but their may be a team out there who is.

Actually I would say Flip is very average, hes in the middle of the pack in the area of '2nd/3rd line centers'. Depth wise hes our third line center, but for it hes got a lot of offensive upside. For 3 million a year I wouldn't trade him unless its part of a package for that the wings were a clear winner of. I know most people see me as a Flip hater, but I like him a lot, its just realistically I see him as the most likely target of any trade because he has a lot of assets teams would want in a defensive center.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 02:46 PM

Mike Green is not the Caps best dman. At best he is their 3rd best.


You lost me here.

Green was injured for a good part of this season. If he played a full season and healthy he would have finished with the highest +/- and points of all their DMen...again.

I know he is only average at defense, but the dude still finished top 50 of Dmen this season in points shared, and he was injured for almost half the season. Lidstrom finished top 10, which is expected, and one would have to assume if he had played with Rafalski and was given some free reign he would have finished top 3 in that stat.

PS Besides this season, the three highest PS (points shared) for the previous three seasons are:

Lidstrom 07-08: 14.4
Green 08-09: 13.9
Green 09-10: 13

So one injury plagued season places Green at the third best on his team? Lolz.

Edited by Konnan511, 28 May 2011 - 02:49 PM.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:47 PM

You lost me here.

Green was injured for a good part of this season. If he played a full season and healthy he would have finished with the highest +/- and points of all their DMen...again.

I know he is only average at defense, but the dude still finished top 50 of Dmen this season in points shared, and he was injured for almost half the season. Lidstrom finished top 10, which is expected, and one would have to assume if he had played with Rafalski and was given some free reign he would have finished top 3 in that stat.

PS Besides this season, the three highest PS (points shared) for the previous three seasons are:

Lidstrom 07-08: 14.4
Green 08-09: 13.9
Green 09-10: 13

So one injury plagued season places Green at the third best on his team? Lolz.



You will have to convince the Caps GM and head coach that Carlson and Alzner are not the top 2 dmen on the team. I will take their words over yours. Your response does indeed get a LOLz out of me. LOLZ. :lol:
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 06:17 PM

You will have to convince the Caps GM and head coach that Carlson and Alzner are not the top 2 dmen on the team. I will take their words over yours. Your response does indeed get a LOLz out of me. LOLZ. :lol:


Your LOLzing someone else in the very same thread where you suggested Hudler, Flip, Kindl, 1st rounder for Semin and Green?

Honestly, not trying to be a jerk here, but that is seriously one of the dumbest trade proposals I've ever read. I honestly thought it was a joke at first until you kept explaining it.

Btw, Green is absolutely their number 1 dman. Just because he was injured for half the season does not change his importance to that team.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 06:21 PM

Your LOLzing someone else in the very same thread where you suggested Hudler, Flip, Kindl, 1st rounder for Semin and Green?

Honestly, not trying to be a jerk here, but that is seriously one of the dumbest trade proposals I've ever read. I honestly thought it was a joke at first until you kept explaining it.

Btw, Green is absolutely their number 1 dman. Just because he was injured for half the season does not change his importance to that team.


Honestly, as I said in my last post...I"ll take the Caps head coach and GM's word over anyone here. Just because you say Green is absolutely their number 1 dman does not make it so. I mean what would Boudreau and McPhee know right? I think your response is dumber than my response. :lol:

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 28 May 2011 - 06:22 PM.

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:54 PM

I realize that the odds of this happening are lightyears beyond possible. just looking for input on the idea, which players from this list you would keep and which players would fit in on the wings.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Alex Tanguay ($1.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
/ / Drew Miller ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($3.250m)
Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,358,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,041,289

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:22 AM

I realize that the odds of this happening are lightyears beyond possible. just looking for input on the idea, which players from this list you would keep and which players would fit in on the wings.


CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Alex Tanguay ($1.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
/ / Drew Miller ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($3.250m)
Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Chris Osgood ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,358,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,041,289


My one wish for this summer is for Hudler to be gone. However he reminds me Rasputin. No matter how much you want him gone, he never leaves. Hudler is just like my mother in law when she comes for a visit. She SAYS she will only be here for 2 days at the most but then it turns into 2 weeks. Hudler is like that little turd in the toilet that will never flush and go away. Even when he leaves the league for a year he comes back. Ok enough of that...

I've never liked Tanguay for some reason. Maybe it's because he was an Av years ago. I think if he is smart he will stay in Calgary. Playing with Iginla afford him alot of space on the ice. I like Wisniewski's game alot and would sign him for sure. Right handed shot, local boy, plays with an edge and sees the ice very well and can put up 40-50 points. However I do not think he is worth 5 mil a season. 4-4.5 would be ideal for him but since he is 27-28 years old he will likely be overpaid as a UFA. I see him as a 3-4 guy more than a 1-2 guy. Michalek is good but I don't see the Pens moving him. They just signed him last summer. I see Osgood retiring. When I hear a player needs to think about whether he wants to play or not, to me he is already retired. Plus we need a back-up who actually plays. The exception to this is Lidstrom of course, who even though he needs time to think about still playing...My gut tells me he has already made up his mind he just wants to make sure. He will be back.

Babs says we need a top 6 forward and I agree. Holmstrom and Bertuzzi are not top 6 forwards anymore. We need a guy who can take some pressure off Dats, Z and Mule. Especially with Mule being injury prone. Plus is always seems like Dats and Z are always playing with an injury of some sort. Your line-up is not bad but to be better than San Jose and Vancouver for that matter, we need more talent up front. Hudler needs to be gone ASAP. Mursak has to be on this team next season with his speed.

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 29 May 2011 - 05:24 AM.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 11:27 AM

Stop mentioning Zherdev!lgw like to sign or trade for players who play excellent two way games while working hard.


fixed :lol:
I'll take Fleischmann or Jokinen any day over him,but Ken brought back Jason Williams not so long ago so wouldn't be shocked with Zherdev in the Wings sweater :ph34r:

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 12:42 PM

fixed :lol:
I'll take Fleischmann or Jokinen any day over him,but Ken brought back Jason Williams not so long ago so wouldn't be shocked with Zherdev in the Wings sweater :ph34r:


Except JWill knew our system and was a right handed shot and was coming off 83 points in 123 games in his years between leaving the Wings and coming back. Jokinen wouldn't be a bad fit, but he's not going to accept less money than he'll get from all the other teams during FA. He just hit his prime and he's coming off back to back seasons of 65 and 52 points, there's no way he takes less than 3.5mil on the open market. If the Wings could land him for 3.5 mil a season, then do it, but he's going to get in excess of 4-5mil on the open market.
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