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#341 Bring Back The Bruise Bros

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 01:17 AM


The big difference is that Hudler's most effective on the first or second line with other skilled offensive players. Erskine's role and skill set doesn't work as a partner for Lidstrom. Kronwall maybe, Kindl definitely, but not Lidstrom. You guys laugh because I support Hudler and think "He puts Hudler there because of his hard-on for him." No, it's because that's where he best helps the team. Just as making a fourth line with Helm as the center, despite the fact he's much better than a fourth liner, makes the most sense because the Wings' lineup features the pieces for three scoring lines and one checking line. Helm is about perfect for that checking line.

I just don't think he works out HERE. In another system elsewhere? There's a possibility. Look at Leino. He's thriving in Philly and is due for quite a raise. Some players just plain don't work out in particular systems. He's had plenty of chances here though, and we both know that.
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 01:33 AM

I just don't think he works out HERE. In another system elsewhere? There's a possibility. Look at Leino. He's thriving in Philly and is due for quite a raise. Some players just plain don't work out in particular systems. He's had plenty of chances here though, and we both know that.


Leino is playing first line ice time on Briere's wing. That's "thriving". Hudler scored like a monster when he played time with Datsyuk or later in a short period with Zetterberg. Yet that's "he can't play without a star player" so I am wondering what exactly is going through your head. You want Hudler to "thrive" the way Leino is?

Hudler has much more natural talent and better work ethic than Leino. He has chemistry with both Dats and Z. Give him time on the wing with one of them and see what happens! Hudler's scoring numbers this season, even with his long dry spell, still placed him in the "second line forward" range. That shows you how absolutely sick his second half was.

Of course now we'll get to the argument of "Well, he spent a lot of his second half with Dats or Z." should bring you to the conclusion of: SO WHAT? HE SCORED, RIGHT? I DON'T CARE IF HIS LINEMATES ARE THE LITTLE CAESAR'S GUY AND THE NOID!

You argue Hudler doesn't work in the Wings' system. He scored 31 points in 43 games to close out the season, so that's probably wrong. Look, I get that you don't like him because he's small. That's fine. But making s*** up about how well a player is playing because you either don't know what you are talking about or don't care how well the player is actually doing? That's ridiculous. If you want to say that Hudler doesn't play well in the Wings' system because of his slump, then the same can apply to Franzen. Ship him out for a 4th rounder. See how silly that sounds? Both guys are worth much more, and neither are likely to be traded unless a good offer comes up.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 06:41 AM


Downey played a couple of games. Hudler played about 80% of Vrbata's ES time, and closer to 65-70% PP time. That's not a huge adjustment in pro-rating at ES. On the PP, sure, but Hudler scored more than 2/3 of his points at ES.

And your Downey argument is off... first-line ice time is closer to 18 minutes, but your resulting total of 240 is correct because you apparently suck at math. However, Downey was also pretty bad defensively (worse than average for the AHL even!) ... and he would have been off the ice a lot due to penalties... so even with those kind of scoring numbers, the Wings would be shorthanded a ton a la the Dead Wings days, except without their "star" on the ice. And when he WAS on the ice, his slow skating and defensive lack of awareness would lead to an advantage for the other team when they had the puck.

He might score 240 points, but would he even be the team's best player? I don't think so. I'd take Dats and Z at 80-90 points before Downey at 240, if we're only adjusting scoring numbers.

Of course, why not take Jiri Hudler from February 11th of this year? He scored a goal and 2 assists in only 15:23. Push that to 18:00 over 80 games, and we've got 94 goals and 187 assists for 281 points, with a +187 rating. Not quite Franzen's Feb 2nd performance, which works out to 390 goals, 390 points, +234. Niiiice.

You cannot be this dense. I refuse to believe it.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 08:33 PM

You cannot be this dense. I refuse to believe it.


Like I said, he's probably getting paid a relatively princely sum by Hudler's agent or something. Because who would waste their time like that?

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 08:44 PM

You cannot be this dense. I refuse to believe it.


There are one of two possible reasons for you to have said that. Either you think I don't get the point of the Downey comparison, or that I really think Hudler can score 94 goals and 281 points in one season.

It seems more like you're being ignorant in failing to see my point that ridiculously huge differences in time/games/etc ruin that kind of comparison, but relatively small differences such as those between Hudler's TOI and Vrbata's TOI are not the kind that make a comparison irrelevant.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:33 AM


There are one of two possible reasons for you to have said that. Either you think I don't get the point of the Downey comparison, or that I really think Hudler can score 94 goals and 281 points in one season.

It seems more like you're being ignorant in failing to see my point that ridiculously huge differences in time/games/etc ruin that kind of comparison, but relatively small differences such as those between Hudler's TOI and Vrbata's TOI are not the kind that make a comparison irrelevant.

*Sigh*

Looks like I was dead wrong. You are this dense and brick-headed, and I am done even trying to remotely communicate how dense and brick-headed you are about your favorite player(s) because you will not even consider listening to anybody about how dense and brick-headed you are about your favorite player(s).

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 23 June 2011 - 06:36 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:31 AM

Yes, it gets aggravating. I used to try to reason with him, but I choose to just ignore it now.

Anyhow, how about Hudler to Edmonton for Theo Peckham?:siren:

Pfft - what the hell are you smoking?

Peckham's too rugged - too tough - stands up for his teammates - is a respectable #5/#6 Dman...We sure as hell don't need that!

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:59 AM

Pfft - what the hell are you smoking?

Peckham's too rugged - too tough - stands up for his teammates - is a respectable #5/#6 Dman...We sure as hell don't need that!

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You know what, you're right. Bring Brett Lebda back, Ken :P
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 11:30 AM

Yes, it gets aggravating. I used to try to reason with him, but I choose to just ignore it now.

Anyhow, how about Hudler to Edmonton for Theo Peckham?:siren:

Edmonton is the last team that needs Hudler, but this deal would be amazing IMO.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 11:32 AM

Edmonton is the last team that needs Hudler, but this deal would be amazing IMO.

Well they do need to fill up some cap space. Not sure whether Edmonton is tossing his name around or not.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:08 PM

Evidently Brian Burke has said he's willing to discuss his first 3 picks for an established player that can help the Leafs now. If "established...help now" doesn't scream for Kenny to trade Huds off to Toronto, I don't know what does. :ph34r:

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:33 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Blake Wheeler would do well here and could fill the missing spark?

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:19 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Blake Wheeler would do well here and could fill the missing spark?


I could definitely see Wheeler here. Where would you project him to play in the lineup? I'd say third line with some spot duty on the second line.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:03 PM

Evidently Brian Burke has said he's willing to discuss his first 3 picks for an established player that can help the Leafs now. If "established...help now" doesn't scream for Kenny to trade Huds off to Toronto, I don't know what does. :ph34r:


Isn't Hudler the anti-Burke type of player?

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:15 PM

Isn't Hudler the anti-Burke type of player?

And Brett "Pylon" Lebda is?

Oh btw...the "established...help now" comment on Hudler was sarcasm...

Edited by ogreslayer, 23 June 2011 - 09:17 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:31 PM

And Brett "Pylon" Lebda is?


Not exactly a fair case. Brett Lebda's old Notre Dame coach, now Burke's assistant GM (I think), was the biggest and probably only reason why that whole signing happen.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 11:46 PM

Hudler shouldn't get moved for garbage. That is the only point Eva makes that is fiercely true. I think he is worth a 2nd round pick at the least.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:56 AM

Why don't we try and figure out how Hudler works in this system instead of all these hypothetical trade situations? I think Hudler can work here but I'm not really sure how yet. If he doesn't than good riddance but the focus should be on player development from a team's perspective rather than just trying to trade everyone and honestly, this is an area that the Red Wings organization does very well at.


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:08 AM

Why don't we try and figure out how Hudler works in this system instead of all these hypothetical trade situations? I think Hudler can work here but I'm not really sure how yet. If he doesn't than good riddance but the focus should be on player development from a team's perspective rather than just trying to trade everyone and honestly, this is an area that the Red Wings organization does very well at.


Except Hudler had all season and the playoffs to prove how he fits here. This team needs size, speed, and strength... three attributes that don't exactly describe Hudler. I seriously wish he could work here, but his defection to Russia, in my estimation, likely ruffled some feathers in the organization and a different player returned. Even before Russia, as good as he was, he was streaky at best.

If we can trade Hudler in a package to receive a top 4 d-man or a top 6 forward that better fits the direction the organization would like to take, then why wouldn't you do so? We have some good up and coming prospects and even freeing up a spot for Mursak to play more significant minutes could be beneficial.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 11:07 AM

Hudler shouldn't get moved for garbage. That is the only point Eva makes that is fiercely true. I think he is worth a 2nd round pick at the least.


Based on last season's performance in the regular season and in the playoffs, that's just not so.





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