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#101 Majsheppard

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 03:07 PM

Fifth pick is available... at a cost.


I wonder if anything could be done to secure that pick?

Wanting at least a top forward to make the team better fast.

I know Hudler isn't that, so no one suggest it... Yet maybe he can be part of a package?

If Larsson is available at five... maybe it would be best to trade Filpulla and Hudler with the first round pick for fifth overall and get an amazing defenseman prospect? Then we would have to fix the forward group by going after someone like Richards in FA.

A crazy long shot, but if the Islanders are offering. I will take it. Some are suggesting Carter will be that player traded, which could lead to secondary movements... such as trading Carle away to allow Larsson to step in.

Discuss.

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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

#102 Datsyerberger

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 03:27 PM

Fifth pick is available... at a cost.


I wonder if anything could be done to secure that pick?

Wanting at least a top forward to make the team better fast.

I know Hudler isn't that, so no one suggest it... Yet maybe he can be part of a package?

If Larsson is available at five... maybe it would be best to trade Filpulla and Hudler with the first round pick for fifth overall and get an amazing defenseman prospect? Then we would have to fix the forward group by going after someone like Richards in FA.

A crazy long shot, but if the Islanders are offering. I will take it. Some are suggesting Carter will be that player traded, which could lead to secondary movements... such as trading Carle away to allow Larsson to step in.

Discuss.

demands.


Unfortunately, we don't really know how far down he's willing to go. After RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and RNH, the next 5 picks are pretty much a toss-up, value-wise, of the same 5 guys. So maybe he's just willing to trade down as far as #8 or 9. Or maybe he's eyeing someone expected to fall in the 10-15 range.

For the sake of discussion, the Wings attaining #5 would probably take a good young non-Hudler roster player, our 1st, and one of our top.. eh, lets say top 5-7 prospects (or a pick in place of the roster player... 2nd, maybe a 3rd as well depending on the prospect). 5-7 prospect means one of:

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Pulkinnen
Jarnkrok
Sheahan
Mursak
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#103 CaliWingsNut

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 03:28 PM

Fifth pick is available... at a cost.


I wonder if anything could be done to secure that pick?

Wanting at least a top forward to make the team better fast.

I know Hudler isn't that, so no one suggest it... Yet maybe he can be part of a package?

If Larsson is available at five... maybe it would be best to trade Filpulla and Hudler with the first round pick for fifth overall and get an amazing defenseman prospect? Then we would have to fix the forward group by going after someone like Richards in FA.

A crazy long shot, but if the Islanders are offering. I will take it. Some are suggesting Carter will be that player traded, which could lead to secondary movements... such as trading Carle away to allow Larsson to step in.

Discuss.

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#104 Wombat

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 03:53 PM

Soviet bloc and Eastern bloc are 2 different things:
Soviet bloc are countries that were once part of the USSR, Eastern bloc are countries that as you rightly stated came under the influence of the old USSR but were never part of the old USSR and were countries in their own right. Maybe if i had worded it as former Soviet countries it would have been easier to follow.



I see the difference now... you live in England. In the US, Soviet Bloc and Eastern Bloc are synonymous. In doing a quick search, I noticed that UK media sources like the BBC and Telegraph refer to the Soviet Bloc as nations that were once a part of the USSR. This is not the case in the US.

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:00 PM

Why I don't give a s*** about height and weight of a player and why I prefer skill over size:
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#106 Majsheppard

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:15 PM

Unfortunately, we don't really know how far down he's willing to go. After RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and RNH, the next 5 picks are pretty much a toss-up, value-wise, of the same 5 guys. So maybe he's just willing to trade down as far as #8 or 9. Or maybe he's eyeing someone expected to fall in the 10-15 range.

For the sake of discussion, the Wings attaining #5 would probably take a good young non-Hudler roster player, our 1st, and one of our top.. eh, lets say top 5-7 prospects (or a pick in place of the roster player... 2nd, maybe a 3rd as well depending on the prospect). 5-7 prospect means one of:

Smith
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Nyquist
Pulkinnen
Jarnkrok
Sheahan
Mursak



Deal. I wouldn't miss Sheahan if it meant Larsson. We need the Dman more than the center.

I would offer him, our first, Hudler, and maybe another first next year to get a blue chipper right now.


EDIT: Almost forgot to throw Hudler in. Which is against LGW rules to leave him out of a trade concept. :hehe:

Edited by Majsheppard, 16 June 2011 - 12:20 PM.

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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

#107 Datsyerberger

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:34 PM

Why I don't give a s*** about height and weight of a player and why I prefer skill over size:
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Eh, well, I do think weight relevant to height can be important to an extent. Good for a guy to have NHL bulk; it's great to see Pavel's play ever since he's breached the 190 mark, imo. Not only does he still have his smart/skilled game, but he can protect the puck better than ever and even throw his weight around occasionally.

Height.. well, overall size has its uses. But not every guy on the team has to be a big burly dude. Couple guys on the back end to block shots/clear the crease, a handful of bangers up front to make things difficult in front of the net. Detroit won with a tiny team, Boston won with a large one... it's all about proper roles, I guess.
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Posted 16 June 2011 - 01:16 PM

Why I don't give a s*** about height and weight of a player and why I prefer skill over size:


All three are qualities that cannot be developed by a coach. The best a coach can do is provide the environment to allow a player to best utilize them. Therefore, I consider all 3 important. Skill only outweighs height/weight in exceptional & uncommon cases.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 05:39 AM

Unfortunately, we don't really know how far down he's willing to go. After RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and RNH, the next 5 picks are pretty much a toss-up, value-wise, of the same 5 guys. So maybe he's just willing to trade down as far as #8 or 9. Or maybe he's eyeing someone expected to fall in the 10-15 range.

For the sake of discussion, the Wings attaining #5 would probably take a good young non-Hudler roster player, our 1st, and one of our top.. eh, lets say top 5-7 prospects (or a pick in place of the roster player... 2nd, maybe a 3rd as well depending on the prospect). 5-7 prospect means one of:

Smith
Tatar
Nyquist
Pulkinnen
Jarnkrok
Sheahan
Mursak

When I first read this I thought you meant a roster player, our first pick and at least 5 to 7 of our best prospects. I almost s*** my pants!

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 08:52 AM

Why I don't give a s*** about height and weight of a player and why I prefer skill over size:
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You dont give a s*** about height and weight because there is a guy who plays like he is twice his size? For every Marchand there aare 10 players who play as soft as Hudler

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#111 Konnan511

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:59 AM

You dont give a s*** about height and weight because there is a guy who plays like he is twice his size? For every Marchand there aare 10 players who play as soft as Hudler


I'd take a highly skilled small player like Marchand 9 times out of 10 over guys a half a foot taller who are average skaters and have average puck skills. And let's not compare players like Miller and Eaves to marchand who don't possess nearly the skill he does. It's like comparing Ericsson to Chara.
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Posted 19 June 2011 - 06:11 PM

I agree that size and strength is something a team needs, but i also believe it is impossible to tell how a player will adjust to this league before he is in it. a player may be big and strong, but not use it. ie: Jakub Kindl - 6'3" - avg .917 hits a game - Darren Helm - 5'10" - avg 1.56 hits a game.
this team shouldnt draft for size they should take it after its been in the league(free agents and trades). thats why Khokhlachev would be the ideal pick for the wings, hes like a russian Briere

#113 Majsheppard

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 12:08 PM

Good news,

LeBrun says Holland also says he'll explore trade route this week at draft as another measure to improve defense. Other teams may need to shed $$$

Cotsinka says:
Holland: Yeah, we're looking to be active, and we have money to spend. But we're not going to spend just to spend.

I hope we go hard after someone that helps our team an extreme amount, either long term or short term. Since the Draft is involved, I will restate that I hope Holland goes to trade up for Larsson.


If not we could trade for someone like Burns instead of developing a defenseman.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:47 PM

I agree that size and strength is something a team needs, but i also believe it is impossible to tell how a player will adjust to this league before he is in it. a player may be big and strong, but not use it. ie: Jakub Kindl - 6'3" - avg .917 hits a game - Darren Helm - 5'10" - avg 1.56 hits a game.
this team shouldnt draft for size they should take it after its been in the league(free agents and trades). thats why Khokhlachev would be the ideal pick for the wings, hes like a russian Briere

"it seems as if the 510 forward plays much smaller with the puck on his stick. Khokhlachev was frequently seen not coming out of the corners with the puck and struggling to fight through checks along the wall."

Heres a nice little tidbit about him from the scouting report. Yeah there are archands and Helms and Mitch Callahans, but they played bigger and with tonnes of heart before they were drafted. Khoklachev also has poor defensive ability to go along with being small.

Sure some guys dont need size and can play like they are 6'3, but this guy has another potential Jiri Hudler written all over him. Dynamic guy with great hockey sense but neglects his own zone and plays smaller when he has the puck.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 01:46 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/dr...ature/?id=44973

TSN has Mayfield at 46, this ranking is a composite of 10 NHL scout's rankings.

Oscar Klefbom is ranked in the 20s, hes big, good vision, good leadership, only weakness is his skating, but from all I have heard about him he would be a mid risk high reward pick at 24.

Edited by Shaman464, 21 June 2011 - 01:49 PM.

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 02:48 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/dr...ature/?id=44973

TSN has Mayfield at 46, this ranking is a composite of 10 NHL scout's rankings.

Oscar Klefbom is ranked in the 20s, hes big, good vision, good leadership, only weakness is his skating, but from all I have heard about him he would be a mid risk high reward pick at 24.

Sounds good to me! Klefborn would be awesome. Maybe trade up in the second round to grab Mayfield. Hudler + our 4th for NYR's 2nd?
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 04:25 PM

Sounds good to me! Klefborn would be awesome. Maybe trade up in the second round to grab Mayfield. Hudler + our 4th for NYR's 2nd?

Trading up to grab Mayfield in the second would be good. Take BPA in the first round and than try to move up and grab Mayfield to start filling some needs.

In Mackenzies latest draft rankings Mark Mcneil is sliding down a bit into the 20 range. Edmonton has 2 firsts, it makes you wonder if they would take Hudler who is experienced with a cup and could help the young guys offensively in order for the wings to move up to 19 and grab Mcneil who fills a huge need and would still be BPA if he is still around (which I doubt but one can hope )

Mcneil is looking to be the next Jamie Benn/ Brendan Morrow which would be awesome for the wings to have

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#118 Majsheppard

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 04:56 PM

Rumor has it that Oilers might trade down to three and take Larsson. This would be an epic shake up and would weaken the Defensive options for us down the road.

Though it would be an incredibly smart move by the Oilers.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:21 PM

bumping this for tonight

still hoping for mayfield, biggs, mcneil at 24 in no particular order.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:44 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=44973

TSN has Mayfield at 46, this ranking is a composite of 10 NHL scout's rankings.

Oscar Klefbom is ranked in the 20s, hes big, good vision, good leadership, only weakness is his skating, but from all I have heard about him he would be a mid risk high reward pick at 24.

I highly doubt we use our first pick on a guy who's weakness is skating. Highly doubt it.

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