Kingston 21 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) #NHL Dep Commish Bill Daly: "It appears our salary cap will be going up." Projects new cap will be $60.5M to $63.5M, up from $59.4M this yr. http://twitter.com/#!/SBJLizMullen If it does go up by $63.5M, Red Wings will have about $16,691,288 in cap space not signing Modano, Draper, Eaves, Miller, Lidstrom, Salei, Ericcson, Osgood and McDonald. 2011-2012 ROSTER SIZE: 15 SALARY CAP: $63,500,000 CAP PAYROLL: $46,808,712 PROJ. CAP SPACE: $16,691,288 Edited May 21, 2011 by Kingston Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MGreenberg 105 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) http://twitter.com/#!/SBJLizMullen If it does go up by $63.5M, Red Wings will have about $11,691,288 in cap space not signing Modano, Draper, Eaves, Miller, Salei, Ericcson, Osgood and MacDonald. 2011-2012 ROSTER SIZE: 16 SALARY CAP: $63,500,000 CAP PAYROLL: $51,808,712 PROJ. CAP SPACE: $11,691,288 Fixed it for you. Well that is if Nick resigns for five million, hopefully he signs for less but I doubt it. Edited May 21, 2011 by MGreenberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Remember how fun the NHL was before the sarlary cap? We'll never see epic trades anymore like the Shanahan's, Roy's, Lindros'... instead we are stuck with boring / drama-less NHL (small trades). I blame the salary cap. 4 HankthaTank, Jasper84, roboturner and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martyrme19 73 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Remember how fun the NHL was before the sarlary cap? We'll never see epic trades anymore like the Shanahan's, Roy's, Lindros'... instead we are stuck with boring / drama-less NHL (small trades). I blame the salary cap. I hear ya man. I'm not a fan of the cap at all. I do, however, see the positives so that smaller money teams can compete. I can say that I have enjoyed the parity we have already seen in the NHL. But as many members here already have pointed out - it really sucks when a team can't afford to sign its own talent. Many have suggested something like, 20% of your drafted players salary doesn't count towards the cap. I, for one, think that is a great idea. I miss the days when over the summer you knew any player could be going to any team. Specifically, that the Red Wings could sign any player on the FA list and when you find out about the new star we sign, you're just floating on cloud nine for the rest of the summer anticipating getting to see him in action on your home ice. Is there any precedence where a league has gone to the salary cap, and then for the next CBA they abolish it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Fixed it for you. Well that is if Nick resigns for five million, hopefully he signs for less but I doubt it. Well the problem with that is you didn't add him to the roster space Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MGreenberg 105 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Well the problem with that is you didn't add him to the roster space Lol, fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 The problem is the cap goes up for everyone, not just the Wings. There are already a bunch of teams out there that throw money around pretty irresponsibly, now that the cap is higher, these same teams will just overpay free agents even MORE than they did before. Sometimes I worry if the cap going up actually hurts the Wings a little because they won't match some of the absurd offers that will be tossed around to some of the better free agents out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 The problem is the cap goes up for everyone, not just the Wings. There are already a bunch of teams out there that throw money around pretty irresponsibly, now that the cap is higher, these same teams will just overpay free agents even MORE than they did before. Sometimes I worry if the cap going up actually hurts the Wings a little because they won't match some of the absurd offers that will be tossed around to some of the better free agents out there. I think it will always end up evening it's self out... As the cap goes up, players salaries go up. This is why the long term deals can be huge. Datsyuk at 6.7 couple years ago could easily be around the 8 million with the cap raising every year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 I think it will always end up evening it's self out... As the cap goes up, players salaries go up. This is why the long term deals can be huge. Datsyuk at 6.7 couple years ago could easily be around the 8 million with the cap raising every year... Agree with you. He's certainly "worth" more than 6.7. The Wings never sign FAs early in the off-season anyway, so nearly all of the big names are gone by the time they begin seriously filling roster holes. With the higher cap though, it will be interesting to see which teams are overpaying players. I know a lot of posters here have their sights set on a big named guy like Bieksa, but with the cap going up I just don't see him slipping past teams that are willing to throw 5 million or more his way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grayne Wetzky Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Here's our 2011-12 lineup, I'm afraid. The next offseason should get real interesting. That's when we should start to see some improvements in the team. FORWARDS Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Drew Miller ($0.700m) Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) Jonathan Ericsson ($1.200m) / Ruslan Salei ($1.100m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Logan Pyett ($0.900m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Thomas McCollum ($0.816m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,365,377; BONUSES: $260,000 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $34,623 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 No way Tatar gets there over Mursak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 I know everybody says we won't throw a lot of money because that's usually the Red Wing way.... I'm going to assume though if we have 5 or so million maybe more in cap room come July 1st and depending on our needs we might go after some one. I feel like there won't be anyway to spend 5-7 million in free agency in less you try to bring in a somewhat marque player. We don't have too many main needs we have all of our core basically filled out abs most of our depth is already in place. The guys that usually last until august are usually your millers and eaves and guys like that that are only asking around the million or so mark and we won't be signing 5 1 million dollar players. The wings are lucky enough to have a couple key players long term on great contracts. (Franzen, Zerterberg, and datsyuk) which might help us pay an extra million for a more primere player instead of the table scraps in august. I wouldn't mind the team throwing a little bit of an over payment at a guy like Ehrhoff or bieksa because depending how things go... Lids will likely retire and Rafalski will take a home down discount cause I bet the last thing he wants is to leave Detroit and we will have money next year from lids to find an "okay" replacement (lids is irreplaceable, the goal is to make is as painless as possible). Going in to the off season next year it would be nice to have to only sign one big contract D and not 2.... Sorry for the long post I'm just getting excited for a possibility of a big name... Richards on a 1 year hossa cup run deal haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricky0034 89 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Agree with you. He's certainly "worth" more than 6.7. The Wings never sign FAs early in the off-season anyway, so nearly all of the big names are gone by the time they begin seriously filling roster holes. With the higher cap though, it will be interesting to see which teams are overpaying players. I know a lot of posters here have their sights set on a big named guy like Bieksa, but with the cap going up I just don't see him slipping past teams that are willing to throw 5 million or more his way. Rafalski edit: Hossa too and that's just recently Edited May 21, 2011 by ricky0034 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Rafalski edit: Hossa too and that's just recently Thats two occurrences in the past 5 years. Sure it happens, but the Wings aren't one of the teams who are likely to have any big press conferences on July 1st. Kenny has already stated numerous times he will take a wait and see approach this off-season when it comes to free agency. (Which I approve of ) In that interview he mentioned the Wings were very open to the possibility of trades. Hmmm... Edited May 21, 2011 by hooon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Thats two occurrences in the past 5 years. Sure it happens, but the Wings aren't one of the teams who are likely to have any big press conferences on July 1st. Kenny has already stated numerous times he will take a wait and see approach this off-season when it comes to free agency. (Which I approve of ) In that interview he mentioned the Wings were very open to the possibility of trades. Hmmm... He always says that haha... Sneaky Holland. I think that if there is a lot of money in cap room he has to do something decently big unless he wants to carry a lot of cap to the trade deadline and hope something pans out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Here's our 2011-12 lineup, I'm afraid. The next offseason should get real interesting. That's when we should start to see some improvements in the team. FORWARDS Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Drew Miller ($0.700m) Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) Jonathan Ericsson ($1.200m) / Ruslan Salei ($1.100m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Logan Pyett ($0.900m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Thomas McCollum ($0.816m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,365,377; BONUSES: $260,000 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $34,623 I am afraid you are right except exchange Tatar for Mursak (he cannot be sent down without clearing waivers,) but I would like to see something more like this.... FORWARDS Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) Erik Cole ($3.500m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jussi Jokinen ($2.000m) Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.950m) Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) DEFENSEMEN Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.500m) Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($3.750m) Anton Babchuk ($1.900m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,653,711; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $846,289 (I know it isn't probable Lidstrom will sign for less than $6M, but it just gives me a little cap space for mid season help...) ...I'd trade Hudler for Nabokov and have to say goodbye to Miller, unless I sign him and then expose him to waivers and send him to GRR. You may not like the players I chose to sign, but either way, this team needs change....change...change....but unfortunately you are probably right and if this team stays the same, I don't feel too good about our Cup chances next season... 1 Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Leftwinger, can't say I agree with you at all. I believe our team will be very similar next season. Why do we need so much change? And why don't you like our chances? We were one goal away from mounting a historical comeback and advancing to the Western Conference Finals. We swept our first round opponents, and played an incredibly tight series against San Jose, losing in four 1-goal games, including two overtimes. Its not like we were blown out in the first round or missed the playoffs. This team was very, very close to advancing. I don't see why our chances next year would be any different, especially with a few tweaks here and there and some players retiring and having youngsters get a chance. I like our chances a lot. 1 Skeptikal reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Leftwinger, can't say I agree with you at all. I believe our team will be very similar next season. Why do we need so much change? And why don't you like our chances? We were one goal away from mounting a historical comeback and advancing to the Western Conference Finals. We swept our first round opponents, and played an incredibly tight series against San Jose, losing in four 1-goal games, including two overtimes. Its not like we were blown out in the first round or missed the playoffs. This team was very, very close to advancing. I don't see why our chances next year would be any different, especially with a few tweaks here and there and some players retiring and having youngsters get a chance. I like our chances a lot. Well, I already said I agree that the team will be very similar next season, so we do actually agree on that. But I do believe that we need the changes at least on D. Wisniewski and Babchuk wouldn't cost too much, yet will more than replace and actually improve our D over Ericsson and Salei. I do believe Holland has Nabakov up his sleeve and unless he can get him for a draft pick, it may cost us someone like Hudler, and out of him or Filppula, I'd rather keep Filppula. We may not need that much change up front, but with the Cap going up to $63.5M (at the most) why waste it on giving players raises they don't deserve, when there are exceptional players that wouldn't cost too much to try to better your chances? We'd really only lose Hudler and that would not be a loss at all. Miller brings less to the table than Eaves, so I would sacrifice his roster spot for more points like Jokinen or Tanguay. Erik Cole would help this team despite what people think, he would be MUCH improvement over Hudler as would Jussi... But you are right, there is no reason to think they wont be just as good next year, hopefully the change in D coach will shore up our GAA and then maybe we win those 1 goal games, instead of lose them. If anything, I can wish for Wisniewski and Nabakov to be back-up... also I think Ericsson wants too much money and it can be better spent on Babchuk, who brings more to the table than Ericsson. So at the very least, you say goodbye to Salei and Ericcson for Wisniewski and Babchuk, then you trade for Nabakov... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 21, 2011 Jussi Jokinen and Erik Cole are exceptional players? And at the prices you have them at. No thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) Jussi Jokinen and Erik Cole are exceptional players? And at the prices you have them at. No thank you. But either one would be an improvement over Hudler at his price. I was generous with their pay because if I put them too low then I would hear "they'll get more than that!" Wisniewski & Babchuk would be better than Salei & Ericsson... Either one of Jokinen or Cole would be better than Hudler... If you're looking at price per point total, Cole is on par with Franzen, so is Franzen overpaid? I am just saying, I am not looking to argue or get into a neg-fest. But this team needs some improving and anything I suggested would be better than what they had. Will any of it happen, nope, because like I said before, I AGREE that the team will probably look to same next season, and that is unfortunate... Edited May 22, 2011 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 22, 2011 But either one would be an improvement over Hudler at his price. I was generous with their pay because if I put them too low then I would hear "they'll get more than that!" Wisniewski & Babchuk would be better than Salei & Ericsson... Either one of Jokinen or Cole would be better than Hudler... If you're looking at price per point total, Cole is on par with Franzen, so is Franzen overpaid? I am just saying, I am not looking to argue or get into a neg-fest. But this team needs some improving and anything I suggested would be better than what they had. Will any of it happen, nope, because like I said before, I AGREE that the team will probably look to same next season, and that is unfortunate... No way is Cole on par with Franzen. Cole played 82 games and was still outscored by Franzen who missed games, was hurt, and went scoreless for nearly 2 months. Also Cole has 14 points in 43 playoff games, not exactly clutch. I know we've turned this into yet another off season debate, (sorry mods), but I just don't think it's wise to make knee jerk decisions by overpaying aging underperformers instead of developing the talent we already have and for a fraction of the price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted May 22, 2011 Rafalski edit: Hossa too and that's just recently You forgot Jason Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted May 22, 2011 Well, I already said I agree that the team will be very similar next season, so we do actually agree on that. But I do believe that we need the changes at least on D. Wisniewski and Babchuk wouldn't cost too much, yet will more than replace and actually improve our D over Ericsson and Salei. I do believe Holland has Nabakov up his sleeve and unless he can get him for a draft pick, it may cost us someone like Hudler, and out of him or Filppula, I'd rather keep Filppula. We may not need that much change up front, but with the Cap going up to $63.5M (at the most) why waste it on giving players raises they don't deserve, when there are exceptional players that wouldn't cost too much to try to better your chances? We'd really only lose Hudler and that would not be a loss at all. Miller brings less to the table than Eaves, so I would sacrifice his roster spot for more points like Jokinen or Tanguay. Erik Cole would help this team despite what people think, he would be MUCH improvement over Hudler as would Jussi... But you are right, there is no reason to think they wont be just as good next year, hopefully the change in D coach will shore up our GAA and then maybe we win those 1 goal games, instead of lose them. If anything, I can wish for Wisniewski and Nabakov to be back-up... also I think Ericsson wants too much money and it can be better spent on Babchuk, who brings more to the table than Ericsson. So at the very least, you say goodbye to Salei and Ericcson for Wisniewski and Babchuk, then you trade for Nabakov... Lol @ trading Hudler or Filpulla for Nobokov. This place has gone mad since elimination. 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,953 Report post Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) Lol @ trading Hudler or Filpulla for Nobokov. This place has gone mad since elimination. lol @ not.... Nabokov will report to camp, but he aint gonna play, so trading the likes of Hudler to the Isle is easy. Unless you are saying that Nabokov is not worth Hudler, then I say It's amazing that folks still think Hudler is gonna help Detroit. I understand, let's give him another year, that's fine, but when he is hot garbage again what will it be, let's re-sign him and give him another chance? If last season and the playoffs is not enough proof that Hudler blows chunks, then you slappies are hopeless... I guess if he is on the Wings at least I have someone to blame things on... Hey, you like your players soft and fluffy, I prefer them to be hard and mean....just a difference of opinion. Sure Cole and Jokinen don't exactly define hard and mean, but I am just geting tired of the same soft players getting injured every season, especially when it counts. I just want a little change, thats all, just a little... Edited May 22, 2011 by LeftWinger 1 Hockeytown_Ryan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted May 22, 2011 Why would we trade two depth pieces for a goaltender we no longer need? We need a backup/1b goaltender. Not a 1a/starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
