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#321 HankthaTank

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 12:39 PM

Because few players get more love here at LGW than backup goalies. They play well for a few games and it's time to make 'em the starter! :P

Well, duh! Just want the off season to be done and see the actual logistics come into play. Tough to grasp, just the life I'm livin' :lol:
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 12:48 PM

Just a useless thought, what ever happened to Barret Jackman? He went from ROY, and now I never even hear his name...I see he still plays for the Blues, but....hmmmm....not so dominating as expected.

Sorry, I thought of him after looking at the Dany/Andrei Markov thread over there, I remember when he beat on Dany that one year he was here...

anyhow, back to the originally scheduled thread topic...

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 12:51 PM

I know that defense is our weakest point right now, but alot of you are still talking about signing fowards and im a little surprised noone has mentioned brooks laich. Hes an ufa isnt he? Pretty skilled guy and if we are ganna have some money why not take a shot at that guy? With that said, if rafalski is done we really need a blockbuster dman to come in which will probably take away alot of capspace and chances of getting a scorer unless we set up a trade.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 12:59 PM

I know that defense is our weakest point right now, but alot of you are still talking about signing fowards and im a little surprised noone has mentioned brooks laich. Hes an ufa isnt he? Pretty skilled guy and if we are ganna have some money why not take a shot at that guy? With that said, if rafalski is done we really need a blockbuster dman to come in which will probably take away alot of capspace and chances of getting a scorer unless we set up a trade.

I am all for bringing Laich in to be on a line with Helm or someone that brings that same energy. With Raf gone and that little cushion, he comes a more feasible player to go after but I wouldn't unload too much for him. Worthy option to say the least.
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 12:59 PM

Sad to see Rafa go, hell of a career


Ericcsson wants money but he hasn't done enough for me to care about resigning him, bring up Smith, sign Bieksa and Brad Richards

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:02 PM

Wow, that came out of nowhere. Where is our right-handed defenceman now? Gotta sign someone.
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:11 PM

Sad to see Rafa go, hell of a career


Ericcsson wants money but he hasn't done enough for me to care about resigning him, bring up Smith, sign Bieksa and Brad Richards


Smith is nowhere near Red Wings ready. I'd give him at least another year in Grand Rapids and call him up as a legitimate Black Ace.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:16 PM

Well now... this certainly presents an opportunity! So Rafi's $ is 6m, and Hudler's is 2.875$, and we would like to re-sign Lids at 5 or 5.5m$, and the cap is supposed go up at least 1m$ right? That should give us around 9m$ to play with. I would go big and take a run at Richards and Bieksa. Richards at 5m$ for 6 yrs and Bieksa at 3.8m$ for 5 years. Both are under 35 so there's not too much risk with the contracts and I think Bieksa is an upgrade over Rafi anyways. The Kronner/Bieksa pairing would be great as Bieksa could stay back and allow Kronner to rush more as he's our best rushing D'man anyways. Lids/Stuart and then Ericsson/? (Wisnewski would be nice!). Oh, and just trade(give away) Hudler for a pick... and I don't care which round it's in. He's as useless as **** on a bull.
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:19 PM

We never do it, but you see all the other teams do it and their players end up alright after the first year or two. If Brendan Smith is really as good as we all know he is, than bringing him up this year to play third pairing minutes, should not be a hinderance on his development. If anything it's a trial by fire upbringing. Look at Jack Johnson, Drew Doughty, Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Erik Johnson, etc... These guys are all coming into their own, some more than others at this point, but they are all showing they can handle the big league pressure, so what's to say Brendan can't? He would do well to learn from Lidstrom hands on, and bring some youthful enthusiasm to the back end. I am all fine with having him play, but you HAVE to have him play consistently, and either let Kindl play and have a FA be our 7th d-man or have Kindl be that guy again and spot play when a player needs rest or discipline.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:21 PM

We never do it, but you see all the other teams do it and their players end up alright after the first year or two. If Brendan Smith is really as good as we all know he is, than bringing him up this year to play third pairing minutes, should not be a hinderance on his development. If anything it's a trial by fire upbringing. Look at Jack Johnson, Drew Doughty, Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Erik Johnson, etc... These guys are all coming into their own, some more than others at this point, but they are all showing they can handle the big league pressure, so what's to say Brendan can't? He would do well to learn from Lidstrom hands on, and bring some youthful enthusiasm to the back end. I am all fine with having him play, but you HAVE to have him play consistently, and either let Kindl play and have a FA be our 7th d-man or have Kindl be that guy again and spot play when a player needs rest or discipline.

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agree 100%, PK Subban is another one, throw them in and let them play and learn that way

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:33 PM

Well now... this certainly presents an opportunity! So Rafi's $ is 6m, and Hudler's is 2.875$, and we would like to re-sign Lids at 5 or 5.5m$, and the cap is supposed go up at least 1m$ right? That should give us around 9m$ to play with. I would go big and take a run at Richards and Bieksa. Richards at 5m$ for 6 yrs and Bieksa at 3.8m$ for 5 years. Both are under 35 so there's not too much risk with the contracts and I think Bieksa is an upgrade over Rafi anyways. The Kronner/Bieksa pairing would be great as Bieksa could stay back and allow Kronner to rush more as he's our best rushing D'man anyways. Lids/Stuart and then Ericsson/? (Wisnewski would be nice!). Oh, and just trade(give away) Hudler for a pick... and I don't care which round it's in. He's as useless as **** on a bull.


You are trying to tell us that Richards at $5 million would be even a remote possibility? That's laughable at best as this guy was among the top point producers the past two seasons and was previously making over $7 million. Why would he take a $2+ million paycut when he can just as simply go to a contender who will pay him at least what he makes now?

Same can be said for Bieksa, he'll be looking at minimal to potentially hefty pay-increase after his playoff performance this year and possibly winning a SC.

Wisniewski is a more likly pickup for Holland. He will come at around $4 million, is right handed, is under 30 but has an uptick in point production, and is fairly responsible defensively. Nothing Babs and the new D-coach can't work out once he arrives. Oh and I know this is over-used, but he is a Michigan native. He played for the Whalers and was actually the Captain back in 03-04, so me thinks he has some leadership qualities at least that could contribute to our locker-room.

I'm not the wiz on this guy though, so if someone can school me on this information mash-up, have at it.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:42 PM

I find it highly unlikely that Holland would let four 1st round picks get away for Weber.

I also find it highly unlikely Nashville let their franchise player go...

That said, maybe Holland can work some magic to discourage Nashville from matching due to their internal cap. Front load the contract @ $20 million for the first 2 years, then taper it off so it comes out to about an $8 million cap hit. I am kinda thinking $8 million is too much for Weber, but with the cap going up, it could be a fair price in 2 years (compared to what the market will become)

5 year deal:

$10
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($41.5 for 5 years)

Cap hit: $8.3

That said, I still can't see Holland willing to let his draft picks go. He said it before, drafting is gold in the Nu:NHL. I don't expect to see Weber wearing red and white anytime soon.

Though it would be killer if Lidstrom played for one more year, sign Weber to the scenario above, and then land Suter next season. So our top paring would be: Weber/Suter for 2012/2013

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:42 PM

Smith could not do any worse then Salei did this season so why the hell not, im all for getting some young guys into the line-up, im tired of having 26 yr old rookies. I know everyone likes leaving these guys down in GR but you can only get so good and learn so many things playing with guys at the AHL level, if we want guys like Smith,Kindl,Murisak,Tatar,Emmerton,McCollum to improve they need to be playing and practicing with the big boys.

Lets go with this were younger and if things don't workout it leaves just over 3MILL to make some moves at the deadline




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Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)
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Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Nick Lidstrom ($5.900m)
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:45 PM

Smith could not do any worse then Salei did this season so why the hell not


Yes, he could.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:48 PM

Guys.....lets be real here.

Let's assume the following:

*Hudler will return next season
*Weber will resign with the Preds
*Bieksa & Erhoff will resign with Vancouver (Salo will not be brought back freeing up money)
*Montreal will resign Markov, Gil & Sopel

That leaves the Wings this group of Defensemen to go after.

Jovanovski
McCabe
Hamerlik
Hannan
Kaberle
Pitkanen
Rivet
Salo
Wisniewski
White, Ian
Wallin
O'Brien

Would you guys be OK with Wisniewski @ 4 years; $3.75m per year & Pitkanen @ 3 years; $4.15m per year?

Lidstrom-Stuart
Pitkanen - Kronwall
Wisniewski - Kindl

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:52 PM

Would you guys be OK with Wisniewski @ 4 years; $3.75m per year & Pitkanen @ 3 years; $4.15m per year?

Lidstrom-Stuart
Pitkanen - Kronwall
Wisniewski - Kindl

Love the part with Wiz in it. Get Pitkanen the hell out of there though. The love that dude is getting on these boards is super unwarranted currently. But hey, we all love looking for our next whipping boy but there is always Kindl and *gasp* Hudler still?!?!
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:54 PM

Yes, he could.


Agreed. Salei wasn't great, but it's not like he was a wasted signing. Just easy to be the whipping boy when you're likely on your way out.

Watching Smith the handful of times I did, I don't see him as NHL-ready let alone Red Wings ready. He improved markedly throughout the season, but it's not a matter of 'over-ripening' - it's a matter of professionalism.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:57 PM

Smith could not do any worse then Salei did this season


Did you go to any Griffins games? Smith isn't very good defensively, makes a lot of bone head mistakes and has been known to take bad penalties. Unless Smith has a monsterous camp, he's gonna be in GR next season. Even if he does have a monster camp, I still expect him to be in Grand Rapids. They guy is really overrated right now. I know he is projected to become great, but I don't see him to become a better defenseman than Kronwall is now. But if he is a Kronwall 2.0 (in the skill department), then that is fine by me. But he isn't the savior of this team.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:59 PM

Love the part with Wiz in it. Get Pitkanen the hell out of there though. The love that dude is getting on these boards is super unwarranted currently. But hey, we all love looking for our next whipping boy but there is always Kindl and *gasp* Hudler still?!?!

Pitkanen for the right price could be a huge deal, he would fill an offensive defenseman slot pretty well, hes young, and i dont know if you've ever seen him but hes not too shabby in his own end. Pair him with a more defensive defenseman signing and the combo could fill both the wings needs on the back end, and with Rafi's cap hit off the books, will do it for close to what the wings are saving with him retiring.
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:59 PM

Guys.....lets be real here.

Let's assume the following:

*Hudler will return next season
*Weber will resign with the Preds
*Bieksa & Erhoff will resign with Vancouver (Salo will not be brought back freeing up money)
*Montreal will resign Markov, Gil & Sopel

That leaves the Wings this group of Defensemen to go after.

Jovanovski
McCabe
Hamerlik
Hannan
Kaberle
Pitkanen
Rivet
Salo
Wisniewski
White, Ian
Wallin
O'Brien

Would you guys be OK with Wisniewski @ 4 years; $3.75m per year & Pitkanen @ 3 years; $4.15m per year?

Lidstrom-Stuart
Pitkanen - Kronwall
Wisniewski - Kindl


I'm not crazy about signing Wisniewski, personally. Seems like he gets himself in trouble a little more than I'd like. I've never been a huge fan of Ian White, but he's played well with San Jose. Kaberle is an attractive name, but hasn't really lived up to all the hype as of late.

Anyone like White / O'Brien as 2nd (or 3rd) and 4th (or 5th) D-men?

Edited by Travis, 24 May 2011 - 02:05 PM.

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