GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) So with Rafalski seemingly retiring, and Lidstrom possibly retiring, do you guys see Kronwall as ever being the top defenseman on the Wings? Or do you think Holland will pursue someone else to be top dog, whether it be Weber or Doughty or someone else? Obviously, sometime in the near future, both Lidstrom and Rafalski will be gone, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with Kronwall and whether his role expands. I'm not entirely sure that the top brass is willing to make him number 1 at any point in the future. He has played well in spurts, but has looked average too frequently at other stretches in his career. To be the top defenseman, you have to bring it every night, and I've never seen that from him over the course of a season. I still think he's a great second pairing defenseman, who can be a solid number 2 D-man on the team. But likely not top dog. Edited May 24, 2011 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 He's certainly well rounded, capable on the power-play, pk, good shot, blocks shots, big hitter, but I don't see the leadership and initiative that franchise D have. He's a no. 2, guy, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt198913 932 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 I see Kronwall being the number one next year even if Lidstrom returns. 1 Travis reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 I see Kronwall being the number one next year even if Lidstrom returns. Joking right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 Joking right? Actually, I see Kronwall splitting #1 minutes with Lidstrom next year, with Lids on the PP more and Kronwall on more at ES (roughly equal PK distribution) so I wouldn't say he's all the way off. Like it or not, Lidstrom is going to be gone sooner rather than later and there's no reason not to give Kronwall more responsibilities with the gap between their play slowly decreasing. Anyhow, I think Kronwall can be our #1 guy in the future if we get him a solid #2/1b guy. He's no Nick, but he's more responsibly defensively than a solid number of top line NHL defenders, he demolishes people, and he's top 20 in offense from the D (with 2nd PP line minutes). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 So with Rafalski seemingly retiring, and Lidstrom possibly retiring, do you guys see Kronwall as ever being the top defenseman on the Wings? Or do you think Holland will pursue someone else to be top dog, whether it be Weber or Doughty or someone else? Obviously, sometime in the near future, both Lidstrom and Rafalski will be gone, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with Kronwall and whether his role expands. I'm not entirely sure that the top brass is willing to make him number 1 at any point in the future. He has played well in spurts, but has looked average too frequently at other stretches in his career. To be the top defenseman, you have to bring it every night, and I've never seen that from him over the course of a season. I still think he's a great second pairing defenseman, who can be a solid number 2 D-man on the team. But likely not top dog. Weber/Doughty would incredibly unlikely. I doubt Kronwall will ever be a dominant player or Norris candidate. All-star, maybe. I can see Kronwall as a #1 here, just with a very strong #2-6 behind him to lighten the load. It's the only realistic way to replace Nick. 1 P. Marlowe reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 I read somewhere that he's started to become very vocal on the bench and has these leadership qualities. I guess this is why he wore "A" once this season when if I remember correctly Datsyuk and Draper weren't playing. Of course he lacks the grace of Lidström, but almost everyone does. I think Kronwall can be number one, but unlike Lidström, he wouldn't be a clear one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 He had more ice time and PK time than any Wing in the playoffs, although he didn't draw the top match-ups that Mike delegated to Nick/Stuart. His point totals will go up if Rafalski/Lidstrom retire and he gets on the top PP unit. I'm sure Kenny will pursue whoever he can to make the team better, although I'm not sure there's really a market for a better #1 Dman, but anyways if necessary I think Kronwall could be the top guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 Kronwall will not be number one if Lidstrom returns. Assuming we don't sign / trade any defenseman I clearly see Stuart and Lidstrom pairing. The only way IMO Kronwall will get a start as the 1st pairing is if Lids retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 Kronner's role will definitely increase especially if he plays like he did towards the end of the season and all of the playoffs. I agree with Datsyerberger where I see most nights he and Lids splitting the top TOI each night. His complete game and ability to be used in every situation is something you can't question. I do even see him as being one of the Alternates fairly soon down the road here as his leadership has even been well chronicled. Nik Jr. really seems to be stepping to the plate lately. Kind of proves how much people need to understand just how difficult it is to play defense at the NHL level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 I thought Kronwall had a great season. He wouldn't be my choice for top Dman in the league, but I'd feel more than comfortable with him if we had no choice. With Rafski gone, he'll fit in the #2 spot perfectly, unless we sign someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 He showed his roll in the playoffs and stepped up big time. He has the capabilities of being number 1 but I think holland goes after someone else after nick and raffy are gone. Like you said solid 2nd dman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 As Brett said, he showed what his role should be in the future during these playoffs. If he continues to play the way he did in the post-season then I don't think there's any doubt he will be on the top pairing regardless of who we might sign going forward. Once the day comes where Lids retires, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Kronner will get Hank's 'A'. He ate up minutes, played a strong defensive game, pitched in on offense and laid some great hits on a bunch of idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 24, 2011 Weber/Doughty would incredibly unlikely. I doubt Kronwall will ever be a dominant player or Norris candidate. All-star, maybe. I can see Kronwall as a #1 here, just with a very strong #2-6 behind him to lighten the load. It's the only realistic way to replace Nick. How about we get Weber AND Doughty? OMFG! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted May 25, 2011 How about we get Weber AND Doughty? OMFG! my mind is full of f*** right now I don't even Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted May 25, 2011 Kronner is our number 2 guy until Lidstrom retires. He is more than capable of being the top guy, but I don't see Holland limiting himself. Replacing Rafalski and Lidstrom will get us guys on par with Kronner, if not better. Why not have the most dominating top four in the league when you can suddenly afford it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites