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#121 Broken 16

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:10 PM

The Wings have Pavel Datsyuk... free agents should be paying the Wings for an opportunity to play with him. :ph34r:

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:13 PM

Show me a link to ANY report stating that... Nashville can, and will, match a max contract if that's what it takes to keep him - they will not let the face of their franchise walk...

People need to let this pipe dream go... now if he signs a one year deal, then you people can let the hamster wheel in your heads start churning, because then he'd be a UFA next year and then all bets are off, but I HIGHLY doubt he will ever get to UFA, as Nash will probably lock him up on a 10 year deal or something extreme like that, at probably 8m+ and if any team offers higher... they'll match that too...

There is a <1% chance of Weber being a Wing next year and probably a <10% chance of him EVER being a Wing...


Nonsense. Every other team will make what adjustments it must in order to improve our roster.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:22 PM

Predators' Trotz: We'll match any offer for Shea Weber


The moment Brian Rafalski retired, optimistic fans in Detroit were quick to suggest a solution. Sign Nashville defenseman Shea Weber to an offer sheet. The Predators captain is slated to become a restricted free agent on July 1 if he cant get a contract extension done before then.

Predators coach Barry Trotz has some advice to Detroit or anyone else thinking about an offer sheet for Weber.

Dont bother.

Well just match it, Trotz told Sporting News. I can tell you, whatever they offer, itll just get matched.


one could argue that what else should we expect Trotz to say. another way to look at it is, teams can still get Weber to sign an offer sheet so that Nashville has to pay more for him than they planned to, perhaps losing the money to pay Suter or Rinne.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:23 PM

Some people have cited Washington for a trade looking at green... but what about Wideman? He is a righty and good on the PP. His salary is 4 million which would allow us to add to the rest of the team.

Honestly he would bring more offense to the club then Defense, but perhaps you add Bieksa as well or a cheaper Defensive specialist to solve the D problem...

I could see Washington liking Hudler as well.

Predators' Trotz: We'll match any offer for Shea Weber




one could argue that what else should we expect Trotz to say. another way to look at it is, teams can still get Weber to sign an offer sheet so that Nashville has to pay more for him than they planned to, perhaps losing the money to pay Suter or Rinne.



Oh they would, but I still would offer him a maximum deal for one year and see what they do.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:30 PM

How is Abdelkader (24) untouchable, but Filppula (27) not?

Filppula is indeed clutch in the playoffs. Filppula had the 22nd highest PPG in the playoffs of all players who at least played 10 games, beating players like Stamkos, Mike Richards, Erat, Pavelski, Heatley, and the list goes on of guys who are made saviors or guys who double his salary. I'm not saying he is better than those players, but if you look at value and worth, Filppula comes out near the top of that list and you don't trade those players.

I see guys like Hudler, Abdelkader, Emmerton as guys who are more likely to be traded before Filppula's name is even on the tongue of Holland. I acknowledge Filppula has the most trade value on the team, but his worth to the team is substantially higher. This isn't NHL 11, so stop treating it like it is.

Somewhat... he was invisible for most of the Sharks series. He is trade able to get a more consistent 2nd liner that can take some of the load off of Z and D.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:33 PM

Predators' Trotz: We'll match any offer for Shea Weber




one could argue that what else should we expect Trotz to say. another way to look at it is, teams can still get Weber to sign an offer sheet so that Nashville has to pay more for him than they planned to, perhaps losing the money to pay Suter or Rinne.



I have never seen him a real possibilty for the Wings. I just don't see Holland as a guy who would do another franchise like that......now the Islanders....

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:35 PM

Unless Holland is willing to severely overpay pay Bieska/Ehroff, neither are coming here. They are going to get LOTS of money in the offseason, and I mean LOTS of money. And they aren't even THAT good. Bieska was Canucks whipping boy, and Ehroff makes Ericsson's defense look elite.

Holland isn't the type of GM to overpay players. He might make a few small moves, sign a few lesser knowns, and wait for trade deadline splash. This is a re-tooling year, so don't expect the cup or going deep in the playoffs.

I think Sutter is they guy on Holland's mind. And he won't be [potentially] available til next year. I think trade deadline is the best way to get high-quality players.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:50 PM

I have never seen him a real possibilty for the Wings. I just don't see Holland as a guy who would do another franchise like that......now the Islanders....


agreed about Holland, but there's nothing stopping other GMs trying to raise Weber's price, like what doug wilson did with this offer sheet to Hjarlmasson, he forced Chicago to pay more for him than they planned to and lose a goalie.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:51 PM



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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:24 PM

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"Ken Holland sounds open to the idea of a trade to replace Rafalski. Most likely at draft. Agreed that this isn't the best UFA crop."


Interesting but not that surprsing. We've all heard the Zach Bogosian and Mike Green rumors. Should be interesting.

Hey Kenny, this alone, makes me want to see Wiz on the Wings even more!



even though it looks like Wiz hurt himself somehow, man that was a donnybrook with Tootie...

I would love a trade to (try to)replace Rafalski, PLUS sign Wiz to round out what would be the best defense corps in the league! (spoken through red glasses)

Lidstrom Kronwall
Stuart Bogosian
Wiz - Kindl
Smith

Heck they could even sign two UFA's and leave Smith in GRR, but I have a feeling they are gonna make this year Kindl's make or break year...

Edited by LeftWinger, 26 May 2011 - 05:32 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:27 PM

agreed about Holland, but there's nothing stopping other GMs trying to raise Weber's price


Wrong (salary arbitration).
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:36 PM

Wrong (salary arbitration).

Here's a good question concerning RFA's....Let say Nashville offers Weber a contract and he turns it down and elects arbitration, if he gets rewarded a contract that Nashville doesn't like, then signs somewhere else (Detroit for example, ...just saying :ninja: ) do the Preds STILL receive the compensatory draft picks?

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:41 PM

Here's a good question concerning RFA's....Let say Nashville offers Weber a contract and he turns it down and elects arbitration, if he gets rewarded a contract that Nashville doesn't like, then signs somewhere else (Detroit for example, ...just saying :ninja: ) do the Preds STILL receive the compensatory draft picks?


No. Once they receive a verdict in arbitration, the team has a 48 period to accept the contract. If they don't, the team relinquishes all rights and the player becomes a UFA.

However, if Weber receives a salary in arbitration that's too high for Nashville to want to keep and he's looking for that kind of money in FA, then holy crap, do not want (can't see that happening, though).
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:50 PM

Somewhat... he was invisible for most of the Sharks series. He is trade able to get a more consistent 2nd liner that can take some of the load off of Z and D.



Fil seams to have reached his plateau. He was expected to get better every year for the past 3 years and it doesn't look like he will improve over what he is now. He's very good but he has peaked. Abby on the other hand has just completed his first full season and was much better than even last year. He has a big upside. There is no comparison between the 2.

No. Once they receive a verdict in arbitration, the team has a 48 period to accept the contract. If they don't, the team relinquishes all rights and the player becomes a UFA.

However, if Weber receives a salary in arbitration that's too high for Nashville to want to keep and he's looking for that kind of money in FA, then holy crap, do not want (can't see that happening, though).


I can't believe this is still being discussed. Holland said that he won't tend an offer and Nashville has said that if anybody did that they would match it. What more needs to be said?
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:51 PM

Fil seams to have reached his plateau. He was expected to get better every year for the past 3 years and it doesn't look like he will improve over what he is now. He's very good but he has peaked. Abby on the other hand has just completed his first full season and was much better than even last year. He has a big upside. There is no comparison between the 2.



I can't believe this is still being discussed. Holland said that he won't tend an offer and Nashville has said that if anybody did that they would match it. What more needs to be said?


Well hell, I know it's not happening. I was just answering a question about RFAs :P
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 05:55 PM

Unless Holland is willing to severely overpay pay Bieska/Ehroff, neither are coming here. They are going to get LOTS of money in the offseason, and I mean LOTS of money. And they aren't even THAT good. Bieska was Canucks whipping boy, and Ehroff makes Ericsson's defense look elite.

Holland isn't the type of GM to overpay players. He might make a few small moves, sign a few lesser knowns, and wait for trade deadline splash. This is a re-tooling year, so don't expect the cup or going deep in the playoffs.

I think Sutter is they guy on Holland's mind. And he won't be [potentially] available til next year. I think trade deadline is the best way to get high-quality players.



I know one thing for sure. Holland will spend up to or nearly up to the Cap. With Ralfalski's $6 mil, he is going to make at least 1 big move or a number of medium size moves. I am expecting a big trade. Hudler, Fil, Mursak are all possible trades.
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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:05 PM

I know one thing for sure. Holland will spend up to or nearly up to the Cap. With Ralfalski's $6 mil, he is going to make at least 1 big move or a number of medium size moves. I am expecting a big trade. Hudler, Fil, Mursak are all possible trades.


nooooooooo :(

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:27 PM

Isn't the off season exciting? Especially knowing that Holland HAS to make a move or two? :w00t2:

I still say either sign or trade for someone to play with Dastyuk as a pure scorer. Put Filppula on his line as well as it seemed they had a bit of chemistry together, move Zetterberg to line 2 with Franzen and Bertuzzi, Helm would center the 3rd line with Cleary and Eaves, then Abby can center Holmstrom and Miller, with Mursak as the 13th forward...

I know everyone is posting names and line combos everywhere, but let me just say that if the Cap goes up to $64.5M, before ANY UFA's are signed, Holland has $25M available to sign/trade for players! Awesome! I know Holland wouldn't take on the long term contract, but man with that money I would love to see Kovalchuk on Dastyuk's wing next season!

I am not sure Jersey would want to trade him away, unless they are looking to get out from under that contract... they only have 11 fwds, 5 D and 1 goalie signed next year and ONLY have $7M avail in cap. Even if the Cap goes up $5.1M that still isn't much to re-sign the like of Parise, Greene and Hedburg, let alone the rest of the open spots. I am pretty positive Kovalchuk would accept a trade to Detroit... of course I am pretty sure it would cost us at least a roster player AND some high end prospects/draft picks to acquire him...but WOW!

Edited by LeftWinger, 26 May 2011 - 06:34 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:37 PM

Isn't the off season exciting? Especially knowing that Holland HAS to make a move or two? :w00t2:

I still say either sign or trade for someone to play with Dastyuk as a pure scorer. Put Filppula on his line as well as it seemed they had a bit of chemistry together, move Zetterberg to line 2 with Franzen and Bertuzzi, Helm would center the 3rd line with Cleary and Eaves, then Abby can center Holmstrom and Miller, with Mursak as the 13th forward...

I know everyone is posting names and line combos everywhere, but let me just say that if the Cap goes up to $64.5M, before ANY UFA's are signed, Holland has $25M available to sign/trade for players! Awesome! I know Holland wouldn't take on the long term contract, but man with that money I would love to see Kovalchuk on Dastyuk's wing next season!

I am not sure Jersey would want to trade him away, unless they are looking to get out from under that contract... they only have 11 fwds, 5 D and 1 goalie signed next year and ONLY have $7M avail in cap. Even if the Cap goes up $5.1M that still isn't much to re-sign the like of Parise, Greene and Hedburg, let alone the rest of the open spots. I am pretty positive Kovalchuk would accept a trade to Detroit... of course I am pretty sure it would cost us at least a roster player AND some high end prospects/draft picks to acquire him...but WOW!


Probably another name Konnan will add to the avatar if it picks up steam.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 06:46 PM

Probably another name Konnan will add to the avatar if it picks up steam.

:lol: True! But, Holland could afford him, and he would be that pure sniper Datsyuk and the Wings need. I am sure in 2008, he would've had Hossa on a similar avatar too, but Holland pulled that one out of his magic hat... just not sure what Holland thinks of the length of the contract, he already has 2 lifers and I am sure Datsyuk is gonna re-sign a lifer when his is up as well... Oh well, it is more possible than Weber coming here...

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