Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Also, LOL again @ giving Ericsson nearly $3m per year. I know... I mean, is that really where the market is on dmen right now? Roman Polak just re-signed for 5 years 13.75 million. That's a cap hit of 2.75. You just know that Ericsson's agent is going for at least that much and more because Ericsson has more of an offensive upside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Oh the old +/- stat. Its like the go-to stat when the player doesn't have anything else worth praising. Wasn't Lidstrom a minus player this year? Does that make E better than him defensively? No. I'm basing my opinion on the quality of his play, by watching the games night in and night out, rather than using ONE subjective statistic that doesn't actually prove anything about his game. I have yet to hear a single rational reason as to why we SHOULD keep him. What does he bring to the team that can't be very easily replaced? The +/- stat may not be accurate or tell the whole story, but certainly if Ericsson was on the ice for "at least one monumental breakdown a game that results in a goal against", he wouldn't be 2nd best among defensement, no? Babcock is a respectable coach, right? Why would he give Ericsson so much ice time if he was such a liability? Should be Holland be shopping for a new head coach? Obviously if Ericsson was that bad, and was getting almost 19 minutes of TOI, then clearly Babs needs to be fired, right? Especially when Babcock had other options.... Maybe Ericsson just isn't as bad as people make him out to be. He's the official "whipping boy". We get it. But what really puzzles me is people want to Holland to replace him with another team's "whipping boy"... 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Ericsson and Hudler, the two most polarizing players on LGW... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swedishconnection 36 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Ericsson and Hudler, the two most polarizing players on LGW... How quickly we forget Bobert Lang. On another related note, anyone else find it funny that there is a thread about Laich this offseason? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 How quickly we forget Bobert Lang. On another related note, anyone else find it funny that there is a thread about Laich this offseason? well, I meant currently... one could make a good argument that Leino was probably one of the most polarizing, as he incited extreme hatred and over the top support at the same time... then there's Lebda... wait, you have to be liked by ANYONE to be considered polarizing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 No amount of coaching has anything to do with Ericsson's boneheaded mistakes and inabilities. Coaching is not responsible for his failure to be physical, nor his frequent defensive screw-ups--getting caught not skating, pinching at the blue-line at terrible times, leaving players wide open in awful areas, taking stupid penalties--nor his offensive inabilities--horrible shot selection, giving up breakaways due to mess-ups in the offensive zone, general inability to produce points--nor his general laziness. That's all on him. A guy can wish can't he especially since I think E will be back next season. Maybe a coach can get him to learn better when picking his spots, new coaches in the past have shown players how to be better defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 I say no more than $1.8M... Our D would look nice with him back there along with any combo of the UFA's we all want, but I am not gonna lose any sleep if he goes elsewhere. Wouldn't be the first time we gave away a huge D-Man only to find out he wasn't worth it anyhow....see Kuznetsov... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Ericsson has done nothing IMHO to deserve a raise. He's replaceable - regardless of his height/skating ability/offensive potential. If he won't take what Holland offers - well then see ya. ...although I differ with most folks on how good Holland is in dradfting players, he is, by far, the best GM on the business standpoint and pretty much can judge how much talent is worth. And for the most part offes contracts that are above what they are worth. Look at Hudler, before he ran off to Russia, Holland offered him $3.5M a year and he said no and went to arbitration, well we see what the arbitrator saidhe was worth, and now he aint even worth that... If Holland believes Ericsson is worth $2M then odds are that he is in reality worth about $1.25-$1.5M. BUT if Ericsson (or his agent) thinks he is worth more than $2M, the go test the waters because there IS always someone out willing to overpay for potential or just because if the fact that he is a Champion. (Lebda) These players need to realize that Holland isn't out to screw them (yes, he is managment, and needs to make more money than he spends, but I don't think the Wings are in danger of being in the red none too soon,) they should know that he overpays his own players just to try to keep them. Ericsson should take the $2M and run with it... Any of you think that Holland could re-sign him with the notion of moving him back to wing? He would be a huge obstacle in front of the net... Just a thought... Edited June 2, 2011 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 My link geez now big E's agent has an argument...'Come on Ken,take a look at Polak's new contract' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Lol seriously Ericsson gtfo. 2 Detroit \# 1 Fan and Weezer reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted June 3, 2011 My link geez now big E's agent has an argument...'Come on Ken,take a look at Polak's new contract' Well, since the Blues seem to like to overpay their players, they can have Ericcson too... 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted June 3, 2011 Ericsson for one has had more than his fair share of gaffs in his own end. Nice way to put it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted June 3, 2011 1.2 million according to NHL 11... make it happen Kenny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 3, 2011 According to this thread, some posters here make it out to seem that Ericsson raped their mothers and killed their dogs... and to some others, he's a potential young Bobby Orr is his prime... damn is the Ericsson topic polarizing... As I've stated all along, this Babcock character just MIGHT know something about this crazy game of stick-puck and if he thinks enough of him to play him 20 min a night, MAYBE there's something there... In my mind he should be offered and gladly accept a deal of 3m over 2 years - 1.5 a year, and if he earns it, re-negotiate then... I wouldn't be upset about him getting 2m a year though, nor would I be upset about him being let go if he won't accept it... he doesn't deserve more than 2m, but lets keep things in perspective here people... 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) According to this thread, some posters here make it out to seem that Ericsson raped their mothers and killed their dogs... and to some others, he's a potential young Bobby Orr is his prime... damn is the Ericsson topic polarizing... As I've stated all along, this Babcock character just MIGHT know something about this crazy game of stick-puck and if he thinks enough of him to play him 20 min a night, MAYBE there's something there... In my mind he should be offered and gladly accept a deal of 3m over 2 years - 1.5 a year, and if he earns it, re-negotiate then... I wouldn't be upset about him getting 2m a year though, nor would I be upset about him being let go if he won't accept it... he doesn't deserve more than 2m, but lets keep things in perspective here people... It's a matter of appearances, really. Here's the thing about Ericsson that almost every Wings fan can likely agree on: Ericsson is boring. He just doesn't do much of anything to get noticed or get on a highlight reel. He's not physical, he's not involved in much offense, so it's more likely that Ericsson is going to show up on a highlight for a goal against than a goal for, even if his GA/60 is lower than some of the other d-men on the team. So that's what people see. In reality, he's usually solid positionally, he's relatively safe in that he doesn't commit a particularly high amount of brain cramps, he's not particularly strong for his size but is otherwise a good athlete so he can eat plenty of minutes, and he's a good skater for his size. He's a usable bottom pair guy. He has enough tools that if he put it all together he could possibly be a #4. But for now, he's incredibly unspectacular. He doesn't have too much happen against, but he doesn't do much either. He's just... safe. That's about it. Safe with some upside, maybe. It's a problem with LGW members looking for players that do something in every position.. because that's just what fans do. Babcock, on the other hand, is fine with a guy that can safely eat about a third of the games minutes (as long as he has more specialized/skilled guys that can be potent offensively and be matched defensively against the other teams' best players). I'm happy enough we got an NHL-usable player with our last pick in a draft. If he can develop into a #4, awesome. If he remains a #5-6 and is willing to stay here for a good price, that's still fine. I'm glad Wings management can scout/draft/develop that well. Edited June 3, 2011 by Datsyerberger 2 haroldsnepsts and VikingMark reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted June 3, 2011 I say this in my name,but some members might agree as well. We were pretty high on Ericsson after 08-09 Playoffs and sadly he didn't become neither new Lidstrom nor new Fisher so I can absolutely understand the disappointment of some members here 1 LidsFan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted June 4, 2011 Johnny Boychuk is $1.75M player and you want to offer $2M to Ericsson - you must be crazy. He shouldn't get more than $1.25M to $1.5M (MAX)... and I'm a fan of Big E Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted June 4, 2011 According to this thread, some posters here make it out to seem that Ericsson raped their mothers and killed their dogs... and to some others, he's a potential young Bobby Orr is his prime... damn is the Ericsson topic polarizing... As I've stated all along, this Babcock character just MIGHT know something about this crazy game of stick-puck and if he thinks enough of him to play him 20 min a night, MAYBE there's something there... In my mind he should be offered and gladly accept a deal of 3m over 2 years - 1.5 a year, and if he earns it, re-negotiate then... I wouldn't be upset about him getting 2m a year though, nor would I be upset about him being let go if he won't accept it... he doesn't deserve more than 2m, but lets keep things in perspective here people... Well said.....all good points. I don't understand the hatred about E. Zetterberg is my favorate player but he LED the team in turnovers-that doesnt mean that he isn't a clutch guy, a playoff beast, a top 3 best two way players in the league. Everyone has strengths and weakness and at the right price, E can be very effective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 4, 2011 Johnny Boychuk is $1.75M player and you want to offer $2M to Ericsson - you must be crazy. He shouldn't get more than $1.25M to $1.5M (MAX)... and I'm a fan of Big E I'm a BIG Boychuk fan and would love him in the Winged wheel, but once again - perspective If Boychuck puts up another good year, he's sure to see a raise and he and E are about the same age... Boychuk only played in 5 less games, same points as Ericsson, +15, Ericsson +8... I don't see the monumental difference and Boychuk isn't much more spectacular, just solid and more physical... and just to clarify, I'd take Boychuk over E, but the gap isn't monumental enough to warrant a huge contract differential... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted June 4, 2011 Discarded peanut shells under the seats at the Joe have more value than Jonathan Ericsson. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 5, 2011 Well said.....all good points. I don't understand the hatred about E. Zetterberg is my favorate player but he LED the team in turnovers-that doesnt mean that he isn't a clutch guy, a playoff beast, a top 3 best two way players in the league. Everyone has strengths and weakness and at the right price, E can be very effective. Ericsson was paid less than $1m these last two seasons, and he has sucked. Exactly what price would he be effective at? It's a matter of appearances, really. Here's the thing about Ericsson that almost every Wings fan can likely agree on: Ericsson is boring. He just doesn't do much of anything to get noticed or get on a highlight reel. Him being "boring" doesn't bother me. Stuart doesn't do a ton to attract attention to himself either. No, what I dislike about Ericsson is that he's lazy and careless. he's relatively safe in that he doesn't commit a particularly high amount of brain cramps I fervently disagree with this. 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 Big E is easily worth at least 1.5mil a year. Hell even at 2mil a season, it isn't that bad of a deal. But with that said, even if he wanted to play here for free I wouldn't take him. 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 5, 2011 Maybe in Toronto. No. Holland offered him 2mil and he knows what he's doing, so clearly you're off base. Go through the NHL list of contracts and you'll see Ericsson is on par or better than a lot of guys making between 1.5 and 2.5 mil. Ericsson just got paid 1.25mil in salary this past season and had his best statistical year of his career (thanks to Rafalski). Of course he's going to get a big (in terms of percentage of his last) raise. I feel extremely dirty for half ass defending him. Please don't make me do it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 6, 2011 No matter how ya cut it - Ericsson is nothing special, and just because other players get more doesn't mean Holland should over spend, and keep a guy who hasn't done much. Agreed. I'm not the only one here who feels Big E can move on, and test the UFA market come July 1st. Agreed. EDIT - and to add; now's a good time to see if Kindl is ready for full time employment at the NHL level...There were times when he played I thought he looked more capable than Ericsson. Agreed. So what was the point of that? Ericsson is infact worth a lot more than 900K. He just made 1.25 and had a "career year". It makes zero sense that he'd only 900K and not get a raise. Ericsson sucks, I have no reservations about saying that, but to say he is less than a 1mil defenseman is completely idiotic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 6, 2011 So what was the point of that? Ericsson is infact worth a lot more than 900K. He just made 1.25 and had a "career year". It makes zero sense that he'd only 900K and not get a raise. Ericsson sucks, I have no reservations about saying that, but to say he is less than a 1mil defenseman is completely idiotic. I don't think Ericsson had a career year. He made virtually no improvements over his gameplay of the season before, even though this was a contract year and he himself said he knew he'd need to bring his best game. That said, I agree that he's not a league-minimum defenseman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
