I've seen many people ranting and raving about Jiri Hudler on this board and I want to see what you guys think he is worth to this team.
I believe he is worth about 1-2m with this years production and if he turns to a 70 point guy maybe a bit more.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 09:09 PM
How much is the Mona Lisa worth?
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 09:28 PM
How much is the Mona Lisa worth?
More than Hudler, but less than Shea Weber.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 09:34 PM
To be honest, given the contracts a large number of players with similar production to him (and many of those with just as unspectacular other areas of the game), I can live with him at $2.8. It's not great, but people should go look at the contracts (and play) of some non-ELC players in the same production range for perspective. It was overpayment for this year, but if he even halves the difference between his production this year and the production that earned him that contract (which would put him in mid 40s points-wise) 2.8 will be quite decent. Bargain if he manages to bounce back fully next season.
Good thing about being a Wings fan... we're blessed to not really have any bad contracts. A team that can be fixed with tweaks is nice.
I went with 2-3m. The low end of that (2-2.2m) with his play this last season and the upper end of that if he significantly improves next season.
Good thing about being a Wings fan... we're blessed to not really have any bad contracts. A team that can be fixed with tweaks is nice.
I went with 2-3m. The low end of that (2-2.2m) with his play this last season and the upper end of that if he significantly improves next season.
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 10:17 PM
He's worth trading...
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Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:48 PM
He's worth trading...
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:00 AM
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He just doesn't bring enough of anything else besides offense, and he barely brings any of that. It would be nice if he was worth 3-4 cuz maybe we could get a decent body in a trade. But nobody is gonna want an undersized powerplay specialist that can be easily rattled in the playoffs.
He just doesn't bring enough of anything else besides offense, and he barely brings any of that. It would be nice if he was worth 3-4 cuz maybe we could get a decent body in a trade. But nobody is gonna want an undersized powerplay specialist that can be easily rattled in the playoffs.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:25 AM
I already know I will catch flak for this, but I voted $3m+. This is not a statement saying Holland should go out and pay him that much; however, Hudler's performance relative to other forwards in the league would rank him just above the $3m mark in value. He scored as a top-six forward (top 180 forwards) despite playing less ES/PP than others with comparable numbers or even lower.
It's plainly clear how skilled Hudler is. Also fact is that the cap could be raising to between 62.2 and 64.4. So a player who is worth $3m in 2011-12 is only worth between $2.767m and $2.865m this past season. Matches up nicely with Hudler's salary, and the fact that he was felt to have underperformed a bit; Hudler was supposed to be a UFA right now, and if you assume his past two seasons to make up for the performance in 09-10, he would likely get a deal well clear of $3m.
And while Hudler is only a secondary player on the Wings, it's been pretty much the consensus here that he would produce far more on a top line on another team. And isn't that what value is all about?
It's plainly clear how skilled Hudler is. Also fact is that the cap could be raising to between 62.2 and 64.4. So a player who is worth $3m in 2011-12 is only worth between $2.767m and $2.865m this past season. Matches up nicely with Hudler's salary, and the fact that he was felt to have underperformed a bit; Hudler was supposed to be a UFA right now, and if you assume his past two seasons to make up for the performance in 09-10, he would likely get a deal well clear of $3m.
And while Hudler is only a secondary player on the Wings, it's been pretty much the consensus here that he would produce far more on a top line on another team. And isn't that what value is all about?
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:35 AM
His previous season with the WIngs, 3mil+. This season, 1-2mil. I averaged the two and went with 2-3mil. He'll either play like he did this past season or he'll play like a 3mil+ player this coming season. I'm hoping for the latter so he can at least bring in a high end player come the trade deadline.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:37 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, David Letterman presents the top ten things worth more useful than Jiri Hudler:
Number 10... A bag of pucks.
Number 9... A couple rolls of pink tape.
Number 8... A set of Christian brand hockey sticks.
Number 7... A pair of Daoust skates. Yeah. Daoust skates.
Number 6... Any hockey equipment made by Cooper.
Number 5... A sheet of NHL official team logo pogs--Hellooo!
Number 4... World Champion Icehockey for the Commodore 64.
Number 3... A pre-owned boxed set of the Mighty Ducks movies.
Number 2... A 20% off coupon at the HenrikZetterberg.com store. Hey-yo!
And the number 1 thing that's worth more useful than Jiri Hudler... Link Gaetz's rookie card!!!
Baaaa da da da da daaa da da da...
Number 10... A bag of pucks.
Number 9... A couple rolls of pink tape.
Number 8... A set of Christian brand hockey sticks.
Number 7... A pair of Daoust skates. Yeah. Daoust skates.
Number 6... Any hockey equipment made by Cooper.
Number 5... A sheet of NHL official team logo pogs--Hellooo!
Number 4... World Champion Icehockey for the Commodore 64.
Number 3... A pre-owned boxed set of the Mighty Ducks movies.
Number 2... A 20% off coupon at the HenrikZetterberg.com store. Hey-yo!
And the number 1 thing that's worth more useful than Jiri Hudler... Link Gaetz's rookie card!!!
Baaaa da da da da daaa da da da...
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 01:08 AM
I already know I will catch flak for this, but I voted $3m+. This is not a statement saying Holland should go out and pay him that much; however, Hudler's performance relative to other forwards in the league would rank him just above the $3m mark in value. He scored as a top-six forward (top 180 forwards) despite playing less ES/PP than others with comparable numbers or even lower.
It's plainly clear how skilled Hudler is. Also fact is that the cap could be raising to between 62.2 and 64.4. So a player who is worth $3m in 2011-12 is only worth between $2.767m and $2.865m this past season. Matches up nicely with Hudler's salary, and the fact that he was felt to have underperformed a bit; Hudler was supposed to be a UFA right now, and if you assume his past two seasons to make up for the performance in 09-10, he would likely get a deal well clear of $3m.
And while Hudler is only a secondary player on the Wings, it's been pretty much the consensus here that he would produce far more on a top line on another team. And isn't that what value is all about?
tl;dr, GMs pay for offense. Sometimes stupid amounts, but they do it. And if there's one thing Hudler's got...
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:34 PM
...he picked up it from an Eastern European prostitute.And if there's one thing Hudler's got...
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 12:41 PM
I voted 2-3m, I still have high expectations this season. I have a feeling you'll see him score 22 goals and have 38 assists next season. I believe.
Edited by Shaman464, 04 June 2011 - 12:42 PM.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 02:43 PM
my hope is that Hudler and Eva will be traded for a Happy Meal.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 02:57 PM
Way less than he, or his agent, think he's worth.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 03:00 PM
Oh... I'd say about tree fiddy.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 03:04 PM
I'm sure Eva agrees, hes worth 350,000,000Oh... I'd say about tree fiddy.
Edited by Shaman464, 04 June 2011 - 03:05 PM.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:13 PM
If your right, ill eat the bag of pucks I think he should be traded forI voted 2-3m, I still have high expectations this season. I have a feeling you'll see him score 22 goals and have 38 assists next season. I believe.
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:19 PM
Keep him, he's in a contract year, lets take advantage of it!
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Posted 04 June 2011 - 04:46 PM
He probably makes about what he should make within the context of NHL salaries and production. The problem though, is that he doesn't have a good role on the Wings team. What he brings to the table isn't anything special... other players do what he does on the Wings, only they do it better. A team that could use a 2nd line skill guy would be a much better fit.
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