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#141 CaliWingsNut

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 06:34 PM

Shouldn't we worry a bit more about defense right now?

We have like 2 guys signed on D.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 06:40 PM

I would take a shot at him if it were for 1 - 1.5 mil but not for anything more than that. Jagr has put up consistently good numbers in the KHL, and I actually think he might be a great fit to play with Datsyuk.

It couldnt be worse than the Modano signing...


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:08 PM

I would take a shot at him if it were for 1 - 1.5 mil but not for anything more than that. Jagr has put up consistently good numbers in the KHL, and I actually think he might be a great fit to play with Datsyuk.

It couldnt be worse than the Modano signing...



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Being as worse as the Modano signing is worse enough. No more old dudes "looking for one more shot" please.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:16 PM

Umm Dallas Drake? Reichi? Having guys come in like that helps win the Cup a lot more than it doesnt... Sure, this past year the whole Modano signing did not help, but I think a reason for that was his crazy ass injury that he got. Signing Jagr to a reasonable price could be the difference maker for this Red Wings team. From what I hear, the Wings are looking into signing Wisnuski (however you spell it), and there is NO WAY he gets Rafi's 6 million. Also the cap is projected to go up to 63 or possibly 64 million dollars, therefore Kenny does have some money to spend.

IMO Kenny could afford to sign Wisnuski to help replace Rafi to around 4 million bucks, and use that extra 2 million to sign Jagr, and then they can still sign a good depth Dman. I don't care what anyone says, Jagr has all the talent in the world, but he also has tremendous heart (see the Rangers a couple years ago... he was the ONLY one trying all he could for that team in the playoffs) and I think his skill and his heart and his determination would fit very well into the Wings system. Imagine the lines!

Homer- Datsyuk- Jagr
Bertuzzi- Zetterberg- Franzen
Cleary- Filpulla- Hudler
Eaves- Helm- Abdelkator/ Miller

Lidstrom- Kronwall
Wisnuski- Stuart
Kindl- ?

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That team looks like a very possible 2012 Stanley Cup Champions if you ask me...

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:40 PM

If it was for under $2M I'd be very interested. I can't believe so many people feel so strongly otherwise.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:44 PM

the reason for all the jagr hype right now is we don't have a lock down on overseas free agents.

the local free agents cant be approached by GM's until july 1st.

we can chatter all we want about the "local" boys....but until then..its all hearsay.

my two cents:

i never liked jagr....but he would definately be an upgrade over hudler or miller.

if he is "the" only forward acquisition...then nah.

if he replaces huds, miller...then ok.

sign laich, wiz and brewer.

trade hudler/emmerton to phoenix for ekman larsson. (please!)send him to minors and call up to mentor under lids. i watch a lot of coyote games out here in the southwest...and that kid is going to blossom into the next smart/fast/offensive defenseman. dare i say "lids" style or niedermaier.(sp)

its a reach i know....but he is amazingly sharp for a young-un.

but in all likelihood...i think it will be tanguay and laich, wiz and someone cheap(D)

with hudler being traded for picks at the draft.
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Posted 17 June 2011 - 08:06 PM

He was the only Ranger with heart during his last NHL playoffs. He also had a speach during last years world championship when they lost to Norway and Switzerland and had to beat Canada to stay in the competition, he scored the GWG and then they won the whole tournament beating Russians in the final (with Ovechkin, Malkin, Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Semin, Fedorov, Gonchar). In the Czech Republic he's perceived as one of the few athletes that gives a s***.

Let's be honest the Russian national team is a choke fest worse than Miami with the big 3. Also I am pretty sure it was for bronze not gold. Canada didn't have the best people at the tournament as well.

Again the NHL playoffs are not some quick one and done tournament. It is a physical and mental grind along with a much longer, tougher, harder NHL season.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 08:42 PM

Ok, I'm going to post a lineup and I don't want to get blasted over it. I'm not saying it's possible or that I think it might happen, just how cool it looks. Sort of like if I were to post a picture of a Lamborghini. I know I won't be owning a Lamborghini anytime soon, but they sure are cool to look at. So is this.

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.750m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.500m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brian Boucher ($1.000m)

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CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $106,062

Most of it isn't that far-fetched, except that I've put Carter in there instead of Emmerton. I know a trade for Carter would start with Filppula, but it just looks so much cooler with Filppula in there. Beyond that, I've put in Jagr, which is possible given the rumors that his agent called Holland. 2 million probably wouldn't happen, but that's the most I would feel comfortable paying him. I've also added Wisniewski, I think the consensus is that he is the best option available, and Boucher, but you could add any FA backup goalie and it would still look great. Other than that, I've just re-signed our free agents Eaves, Lidstrom, and Ericsson. This is also dependent on the cap going up to 63.5 million, which is the highest estimate I've seen.

First of all, the forward lines are deep as hell. So many different line combos it could make blueadams head explode. We know that Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary is magic on ice, and having so much depth allows us to keep them together full time.

Hudler-Carter-Jagr would be the first combo I'd try for Jagr, you'd have a excellent playmaker in Hudler dishing to a pair of left and right shooting goal scorers, both Jagr and Carter are big guys to make more room for undersized Hudler and there might be a Czech connection to be discovered.

Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi is a known quantity as well and would be another case of an excellent playmaker dishing to 2 big, goal scoring wingers. I know the first criticism will be having Filppula and Franzen on the third line, but I don't think of it as a third line. I think of it as a 1A/1B/1C situation. All three of the top lines could be a first on 20 teams in the league. This way you could spread the playing time more evenly, preventing possible injuries and keeping players fresher for the playoffs. Matching up against this team would be a nightmare.

Abdelkader-Helm-Eaves is an incredible energy line, hard hitting and could even pot more than their share of goals.

That would leave Holmstrom out as a power play specialist, reducing wear on him for the playoffs. He and Mursak would be excellent injury fill-ins. You know Franzen is going to go down sooner than later; you could put Mursak on the fourth line and move Abdelkader to the third and not miss a beat. Then you could put Holmstrom on the first line with Z&D when Cleary goes down and know that will work too. This line-up would also improve us greatly in the faceoff circle.

The defense would be ok with the first injury, as you could call up Smith first, but might be a little thin if 2 guys went down. Having Boucher fill in for Howard would be more than ok though, I think he is arguably the best back-up in the league right now.

Another concern is cap space for next year, but we would have 23.648 million (assuming we sign Wisniewski, Ericsson, Eaves and Boucher to multi-year deals this year) plus however much the cap goes up next year to re-sign Kronwall, Stuart, Helm and Abdelkader, plus 4 forwards and 2 defensemen. Lidstrom retires, let Hudler, Jagr, Holmstrom, Bertuzzi, and Janik walk.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 08:56 PM

i have mixed feelings on signing jagr. i wish he could just come to our training camp and show us that he deserves a spot.

i do think the agent's pitch is pretty funny. almost like an onion article.

'agent feels his aging player would be a great fit for a team who signs aging players.'
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Posted 17 June 2011 - 09:40 PM

Meh, why not? The Modano thing blew up epically and we are no worse for wear really. I think JJ could bring something to the Pav or Hank lines on that RW. I'm in....
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Posted 17 June 2011 - 09:52 PM

At this point in time, I'd take Jagr over Hudler.

EDIT: He's always welcome to our training camp to see how he would fit in with the team.

Edited by CanadaBoy, 17 June 2011 - 09:53 PM.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 09:54 PM

Signing jagr would be awesome. It could create a paradox in a Wings/Pens Stanley Cup final where Jagr has to tear up his former franchise :D

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 10:17 PM

Umm Dallas Drake? Reichi? Having guys come in like that helps win the Cup a lot more than it doesnt... Sure, this past year the whole Modano signing did not help, but I think a reason for that was his crazy ass injury that he got. Signing Jagr to a reasonable price could be the difference maker for this Red Wings team. From what I hear, the Wings are looking into signing Wisnuski (however you spell it), and there is NO WAY he gets Rafi's 6 million. Also the cap is projected to go up to 63 or possibly 64 million dollars, therefore Kenny does have some money to spend.

IMO Kenny could afford to sign Wisnuski to help replace Rafi to around 4 million bucks, and use that extra 2 million to sign Jagr, and then they can still sign a good depth Dman. I don't care what anyone says, Jagr has all the talent in the world, but he also has tremendous heart (see the Rangers a couple years ago... he was the ONLY one trying all he could for that team in the playoffs) and I think his skill and his heart and his determination would fit very well into the Wings system. Imagine the lines!

Homer- Datsyuk- Jagr
Bertuzzi- Zetterberg- Franzen
Cleary- Filpulla- Hudler
Eaves- Helm- Abdelkator/ Miller


Lidstrom- Kronwall
Wisnuski- Stuart
Kindl- ?

Howard
Ozzie

That team looks like a very possible 2012 Stanley Cup Champions if you ask me...

:blink: so instead of trading Hudler, you are gonna let Emmerton AND Mursak go to waivers? This is exactly what we DON'T want to happen if Jagr gets signed! Unless you are trading Hudler (or Filppula, which I am not in favor of) then DO NOT sign Jagr at the risk of throwing away Mursak and Emmerton! If you trade Hudler, you can have Jagr (who more than replaces Hudler and by a landslide (as long as he doesn't want too much)) plus have Emmerton AND Mursak on this team... (yes queue a line-up suggestion, sorry guys! :lol:)

Filppula - Datsyuk - Jagr
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Franzen
Eaves - Helm - Cleary
Holmstrom - Abdelkader - Miller
Mursak/Emmerton

Stuart - Kronwall
Lidstrom - Wisniewski
Jovanovski - Montador
Kindl

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I still prefer a younger UFA like a Jussi Jokinen, but if Holland opts for Jagr, at a fair price, I can live with it...

Edited by LeftWinger, 17 June 2011 - 10:34 PM.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 10:31 PM

Ok, I'm going to post a lineup and I don't want to get blasted over it. I'm not saying it's possible or that I think it might happen, just how cool it looks. Sort of like if I were to post a picture of a Lamborghini. I know I won't be owning a Lamborghini anytime soon, but they sure are cool to look at. So is this.

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.000m)
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.750m)
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($1.500m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brian Boucher ($1.000m)

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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,393,938; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $106,062


I could deal with most of your lineup, but Ericsson has been rumored to have turned down the latest offer which was supposed to be "More Than" $2M, so screw him, and I, for one, do not want to sacrifice Miller and his work ethic to keep Hudler on this team and also wouldn't want to give up Emmerton(unless he was traded.) You got Carter in a trade, but I disagree that it would require Fil, I think Hudler/prospect(Emmerton or Mursak)/pick(s) would get it, especially since Philly has to dump salary. In place of Ericsson and Salei, I chose Jovo and Montador, having Wiz and Montador would give Babcock TWO right handers on the point...

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 10:59 PM

I think Kenny could find someone better for just as much or maybe even less $$$$. I see the point you're making but in my opnion the Wings need to start getting younger. Fine if we need another Vet but let's go after one in the Free Agent Market other than him. Let's not forget he played in Russia last season so it would be the same type of deal like Nabokov wouldn't it? He would have to be open to all the other teams to pick up before he could actually come to Detroit or is that wrong? Either way I think we can fill a Vet spot with someone a little bit better.




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Dimaline, Sorry I didnt see this earlier but no he would not. The reason Nabokov had to pass through waivers is because he ended his contract early and was basically still contracted by his russian team. The difference with Jagr is he is currently a free Agent and doesn't have a contract with any team so he is free pickins.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:04 PM

Dimaline, Sorry I didnt see this earlier but no he would not. The reason Nabokov had to pass through waivers is because he ended his contract early and was basically still contracted by his russian team. The difference with Jagr is he is currently a free Agent and doesn't have a contract with any team so he is free pickins.

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Actually, that's not true. He started the NHL season overseas (even if his contract had run out). If you start the season overseas, then you must clear through waivers to play in the NHL for that same season.
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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:23 PM

Big part's of me feel that Jagr just has had such a bad attitude, like with the Rangers he publicly gave up before actually being defeated. I hate that. Then there is the other side that thinks with Pavs or Hank he could be huge....but I still hope we get a little younger scoring help opposed to older...
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Posted 17 June 2011 - 11:30 PM

Big part's of me feel that Jagr just has had such a bad attitude, like with the Rangers he publicly gave up before actually being defeated. I hate that. Then there is the other side that thinks with Pavs or Hank he could be huge....but I still hope we get a little younger scoring help opposed to older...


If they both put up the same numbers, I don't care who we get as long as June comes and we have the cup :)
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Posted 18 June 2011 - 07:55 AM

The thing I don't get is why Jagr wants to come back to the NHL. He's never been all that attached to it, or else why leave for the KHL to begin with? Hudler did it just to get his big payday, but Jagr was already highly paid. I guess I don't understand why he would want to end his career on the other side of the world in a league he already left once. I would have concerns about his hunger to win.

EDIT: And part of me wonders why he keeps talking about playing Datsyuk and Zetterberg. On the one hand, it's obvious why anyone would want to play with them, but on the other he's automatically assuming he'll be on the top two lines and I wonder if he's just thinking it'd be an easy coast to a Cup having them do all the hard work. I only say that considering his past.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 08:32 AM

I once met a guy in Prague who deals cards at a casino on one of the main squares. He told me some stories about Jagr visiting his casino, and how much he loves to gamble and throw ridiculous amounts of money around.





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