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[Crashnburnluder]

Actually, that's not true. He started the NHL season overseas (even if his contract had run out). If you start the season overseas, then you must clear through waivers to play in the NHL for that same season.

Ahhh okay... Thanks konnan... Kinda the same but I understand what your saying... If a Nabokov had played out his contract and then tried to come over during the same season. The same result would have happened because he started the beginning of that season other then the NHL...

[Hockeytown_Ryan]

Actually, that's not true. He started the NHL season overseas (even if his contract had run out). If you start the season overseas, then you must clear through waivers to play in the NHL for that same season.

If you played in the NHL the previous year! ( I Thought) ?

[CrabCZ]

Let's be honest the Russian national team is a choke fest worse than Miami with the big 3. Also I am pretty sure it was for bronze not gold. Canada didn't have the best people at the tournament as well.

Again the NHL playoffs are not some quick one and done tournament. It is a physical and mental grind along with a much longer, tougher, harder NHL season.

It was last year for gold, this year for bronze.

[CrabCZ]

I once met a guy in Prague who deals cards at a casino on one of the main squares. He told me some stories about Jagr visiting his casino, and how much he loves to gamble and throw ridiculous amounts of money around.

It's interesting how people randomly meet other people that know some first-hand celebrity gossip that is relevant to their argument.

[under_par_00]

It's interesting how people randomly meet other people that know some first-hand celebrity gossip that is relevant to their argument.

I never said if I was for or against having Jagr come to the Wings. I just added this random bit of information. It's the offseason, things are slow. Take it for what it's worth. There was no previous conversation about Jagr, it could have been any one of a million Czech hockey players if he was lying, but he specifically talked about Jagr.


Personally, I think Jagr for under $2 million would be a good risk to take on. However, having played roughly average 60 games for the past 3 years, how would Jagr handle the 82 game grind of the NHL, plus ~20 intense playoff games in a deep run? Hopefully the coaching staff would be smart enough to rest him a bit throughout the season.

[Crashnburnluder]

If you played in the NHL the previous year! ( I Thought) ?

I believe konnan is right... That if u start the season overseas you can't just join the NHL mid season if you decide to rid your contract or your contract runs out. As for the next season if the player is a free agent they can sign anywhere, just like free agents can decide to go sign in Russia if they would like to...

I believe I'm partially correct but there are probably a lot more details in play that I don't know about...

Crash

[Reds4Life]

Personally, I think Jagr for under $2 million would be a good risk to take on. However, having played roughly average 60 games for the past 3 years, how would Jagr handle the 82 game grind of the NHL, plus ~20 intense playoff games in a deep run? Hopefully the coaching staff would be smart enough to rest him a bit throughout the season.

So how about Todd "I hit the post" Bertuzzi or Tomas "Can't skate" Holmstrom. You must be on some incredibly effective crack if you think Jagr wouldn't be able to handle what they do year in and year out. Jagr is likely in his best shape since 2000 or so.

[Red Wings Addict]

Maybe if they find a way to get off the hook for Hudler's contract.

[Casey]

So how about Todd "I hit the post" Bertuzzi or Tomas "Can't skate" Holmstrom. You must be on some incredibly effective crack if you think Jagr wouldn't be able to handle what they do year in and year out. Jagr is likely in his best shape since 2000 or so.

Bertuzzi: 16 goals, 29 assists, 45 points, 81 games.
Holmstrom: 18 goals, 19 assists, 38 points, 73 games.

Considering how neither of those had consistent linemates, each bouncing from first to third lines and between, I'd say that's nothing to sneeze at. Jagr had 25 goals, 46 assists and 71 points, so he'd likely slide right in.

Then again, why compare Jagr to those two? Holmstrom's a left wing. Jagr's a RW. Bertuzzi oscillates between the wings as needed, as in the BFF line.

I could see Jagr replacing Hudler or Miller easily enough.

[robb himself]

trade Hudler for whatever we can get and let Jagr take his spot. But if we do not sign Jagr, sign someone like Jussi Jokinen.

I think Jagr on Datsyuk's wing would be crazy.

[Never_Retire_Steve]

Jagr is one of the most skilled players in NHL history. Yes, he is way past his prime but there are certainly situations where he can still be effective, I am all for signing him if he's able to swallow his pride and take a pretty low paying 1 year contract.

[esteef]

Would anyone sign a 39 year old Datsyuk? I would.

esteef

[Jusek]

Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Cleary
Hudler - Filppula - Jagr
Abdelkader - Helm - Eaves

Not bad.

[Konnan511]

Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Cleary
Hudler - Filppula - Jagr
Abdelkader - Helm - Eaves

Not bad.

That's a dirty line-up. Each line is defensively responsible and each line only has one floater on it!

[WingZNut13]

Franzen - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Cleary
Hudler - Filppula - Jagr
Abdelkader - Helm - Eaves

Not bad.

I like this!

I would like to see Jagar and Helm on the same line. I think Jagar's skill and Helm's speed would really open up the ice to either Flip or Eaves or whoever they put on that line.

[Kira]

Not only is this a resounding "NO", it is a totally emphatic "Oh hell, f**king NO!"

He should pay US to play here, not the other way around.

[Hockeytown_Ryan]

I believe konnan is right... That if u start the season overseas you can't just join the NHL mid season if you decide to rid your contract or your contract runs out. As for the next season if the player is a free agent they can sign anywhere, just like free agents can decide to go sign in Russia if they would like to...

I believe I'm partially correct but there are probably a lot more details in play that I don't know about...

Crash

Yeah Waiver rules are fuzzy, i don't quite get them either....

I thought Because Nabokov played the previous year in the NHL , That's why he had to clear waivers... same with Wellwood....but not Forsberg.

[Datsyerberger]

Not only is this a resounding "NO", it is a totally emphatic "Oh hell, f**king NO!"

He should pay US to play here, not the other way around.

Well technically he would be, taxes.

[Konnan511]

Yeah Waiver rules are fuzzy, i don't quite get them either....

I thought Because Nabokov played the previous year in the NHL , That's why he had to clear waivers... same with Wellwood....but not Forsberg.

Nope. If you start the season not in a north american league, then you have to pass through waivers to sign as a UFA. The only hockey Forsberg played this season was for the Avs, he didn't suit up for any teams other than them this past season. Khabi and Wellwood both started the season in the KHL, not the NHL. They needed to clear waivers to play.

[Hockeytown_Ryan]

Nope. If you start the season not in a north american league, then you have to pass through waivers to sign as a UFA. The only hockey Forsberg played this season was for the Avs, he didn't suit up for any teams other than them this past season. Khabi and Wellwood both started the season in the KHL, not the NHL. They needed to clear waivers to play.

Thanks alot! yet a little more clarity into the crazy CBA!

Although I was talking about last season...not this one coming up... Forsberg was not exposed to waivers. Wellwood and Nabokov were and I thought It was because they played in the NHL the previous season...... But thank you for the added info.

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 18 June 2011 - 08:30 PM.