Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted June 21, 2011 But what number would he wear? Abdelkader is already #8, would we have to trade him to get Burns? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 21, 2011 Couldn't you make part of the trade conditional on him re-signing with us? That's not legal. It would constitute a re-negotiation of his existing contract, and that's prohibited by the current CBA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) That's not legal. It would constitute a re-negotiation of his existing contract, and that's prohibited by the current CBA. Actually, you can do that. You can say, okay, we'll trade you this and this and this for Burns, and if he re-signs with us in the '12-'13 offseason, we'll throw in that and that too. Trades with conditional assets (usually picks) based upon a player signing/re-signing with a team happen fairly often. Edited June 21, 2011 by Datsyerberger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted June 21, 2011 Actually, you can do that. You can say, okay, we'll trade you this and this and this for Burns, and if he re-signs with us in the '12-'13 offseason, we'll throw in that and that too. Trades with conditional assets (usually picks) based upon a player signing/re-signing with a team happen fairly often. Exactly, conditional picks is common place in the NHL, just recently in the Kaberle deal another pick was conditional on the B's either being in the SCF or re-signing Kaberle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Dakota wings fan 7 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 That's not legal. It would constitute a re-negotiation of his existing contract, and that's prohibited by the current CBA. It would probably have to be conditional draft picks. I don't think the NHL does the "player to be named later" like the MLB does. Also, I think you could get permission to speak with the player about possible contract expectations. I remember Holland saying that he had allowed Hossa permission to speak with teams about contracts as a courtesy when they knew they wouldn't be re-signing him. If this were to happen, it any trade would probably have to be completed after July 1 when he would technically be in his contract year. To me, if the Red Wings decided that they thought Burns was heads and shoulders above any UFA, making a trade that requires giving up assets may not be a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 I would love to have Burns on this team. He's relatively cheap for what he brings to the table. His plus/minus isn't usually that great, but that would surely change for him in Detroit. Really hope this happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 23, 2011 Actually, you can do that. You can say, okay, we'll trade you this and this and this for Burns, and if he re-signs with us in the '12-'13 offseason, we'll throw in that and that too. Trades with conditional assets (usually picks) based upon a player signing/re-signing with a team happen fairly often. Yes, but you can't throw in a clause that says, "If we trade for you, you're required to re-sign with us." 1 Majsheppard reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 it would make sense to have future considerations in picks as burns cant be traded before the draft anyways. this means that if detroit makes the playoffs or something, then they have a s***ty first rounder next season and then they would be obligated to add another pick to that to sweeten it up and bring the value back up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 To me, if the Red Wings decided that they thought Burns was heads and shoulders above any UFA, making a trade that requires giving up assets may not be a bad idea. I think he's head and shoulders above any UFA. So will Minnesota want to trade him? And what's the price? Yes, but you can't throw in a clause that says, "If we trade for you, you're required to re-sign with us." I don't think that's what he meant at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 I think he's head and shoulders above any UFA. So will Minnesota want to trade him? And what's the price? Id give up Fil, Kindl, 2012 first rounder for Burns + 2012 3rd rounder OR Franzen, Kindl, future considerations for Burns + 4th rounder 2012 I'd also try to work Hudler into both of these deals. I think a dman must go back and kindl is best option with smith almost ready. Once again, I'm not saying this will happen, ahhemmmm crymson, im just answering his question about the price we could offer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 We need to draft a defenseman with the first pick this year, but I would trade next years pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 We need to draft a defenseman with the first pick this year, but I would trade next years pick. agreed. if we did do burns, it would HAVE to be after the 2011 draft due to his current contract. he cannot be moved before july 1 I believe. this would force us to trade next years first rounder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 We need to draft a defenseman with the first pick this year, but I would trade next years pick. If by some miracle we were to trade for Burns, we could give up our first this year. Odds are in 10 years he'll still be better than anyone we could draft anyway. But the only reason Minnesota could possibly have for trading Burns is fear they won't be able to sign him, and unless he's come out and told them he won't re-sign I doubt they'd be willing to mive him now unless they were getting someone around the same age and just as good or better, or maybe a top 10 pick plus extras. Most likely they'll keep trying to get him signed, maybe decide to move him at the deadline if they're not confident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 23, 2011 Jonas Brodin might be available, and could be just as good as Burns. Just saying. Also with the possible need to trade Val and Hudler, we could get someone better still. I do not know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 Seeing the trade costs lately, my hope for such things has greatly diminished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 Can someone please explain a trade to me between Detroit and Minny that Minny would find beneficial that includes Burns? I'm just having trouble seeing one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 Can someone please explain a trade to me between Detroit and Minny that Minny would find beneficial that includes Burns? I'm just having trouble seeing one. I honestly believe you just do not want Burns on this team... so you don't even look at any options. Filppula, Kindl, and a pick. There. 1 dirtydangles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 Big article today in our local newspaper here in Mankato MN on Brent Burns. Basically saying his future is up in the air. OMG if Kenny could somehow get him it would be amazing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 I honestly believe you just do not want Burns on this team... so you don't even look at any options. Filppula, Kindl, and a pick. There. I would love Burns on the team. That trade isn't bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 I honestly believe you just do not want Burns on this team... so you don't even look at any options. Filppula, Kindl, and a pick. There. You really think that's the best deal Minny could get for Burns? And why would they want to trade him in the first place? Have there even been any rumors that he wants to leave? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 24, 2011 I honestly believe you just do not want Burns on this team... so you don't even look at any options. Filppula, Kindl, and a pick. There. Not good enough. Minnesota's biggest problem is scoring. Even their premier forward, Koivu, is not a scorer. Filppula can chip in some points, sure, but he's primarily a defensive player. Kindl may end up being very good, but there's no guarantee of them; and despite all his time in the AHL, last season wasn't very good for him. At this stage, he doesn't hold a candle to Burns, and he might never compare. The pick we can offer will, unless the team absolutely craps the bed and has a horrible season, be a late one in the first round, and so it won't be worth much more than a second-rounder. We'd be offering that for a player who is essentially Minnesota's franchise defenseman, who can score, hit, is big, and plays fairly good defense, and who is young to boot. It won't happen. There's not a chance in hell they'd accept that deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 Burns in a Wings uniform is intriguing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted June 24, 2011 Burns in play according to TSN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 25, 2011 Fracking Sharks. They look scary good right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted June 25, 2011 Sharks look damn good, but they gave up quite a bit for Burns. To Minn: Devin Setoguchi Charlie Coyle (1st rd pick last year, top prospect in their system) 28th Overall Pick To SJS: Brent Burns 2nd rd pick in 2012 Wings didn't have a chance at Burns. Minn wanted more offense. Wings would have had to trade Franzen + 1st pick + Tatar/Nyquist and even that might not have been good enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites