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[Bannedforlife]

Oops, wrong guy!

Edited by Bannedforlife, 21 June 2011 - 12:00 AM.

[Buppy]

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The team needs cap space for call-ups.

$200K is enough for Smith or Tatar to play ~15-20 games. If we need anything more than that we'd almost certainly be able to use LTIR.

[Crymson]

$200K is enough for Smith or Tatar to play ~15-20 games. If we need anything more than that we'd almost certainly be able to use LTIR.

The cap doesn't work that way. The cap hit is the player's salary prorated to how much of the season has already gone by. If we had only $200K cap space, then the team would have no way of calling up anyone from the AHL throughout most of the season (unless a player went on LTIR, and that means losing a player for ten games and 24 calendar days). This cap mechanic is why the Devils ended up playing with ten forwards in some early games last season while roster players (i.e. Rolston) were injured: they were too close to the cap.

The only way your logic would succeed were if Smith or Tatar to be called up late in the season.

Edited by Crymson, 21 June 2011 - 02:04 AM.

[Wings4Life19]

Since it's a wish list I say trade Hudler to Philly with a 3rd round pick this year and conditional 2nd/3rd round conditional pick next year(based on Hudler's point production and/or the Wings making it to the Finals) for Matt Carle and a 4th this year. Sign Brooks Laich to a 4 year $10 mill contract(he'll probly want more but I can dream can't I). Then sign Wisniewski and Pitkanen to 5 year $22.5 mill contracts. Then sign Hedberg to a 1 year $1.5 mill contract to replace Osgood.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Brooks Laich ($2.500m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Drew Miller ($0.800m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Joni Pitkanen ($4.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Johan Hedberg ($1.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,454,544; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $545,456

[sputman]

what's all the love for brooks laich?

[Buppy]

The cap doesn't work that way. The cap hit is the player's salary prorated to how much of the season has already gone by. If we had only $200K cap space, then the team would have no way of calling up anyone from the AHL throughout most of the season (unless a player went on LTIR, and that means losing a player for ten games and 24 calendar days). This cap mechanic is why the Devils ended up playing with ten forwards in some early games last season while roster players (i.e. Rolston) were injured: they were too close to the cap.

The only way your logic would succeed were if Smith or Tatar to be called up late in the season.

I'm aware of how the cap works. I'm also aware that Smith and Tatar both make under $900K in the NHL. Thus we would need only 5 days to pass without calling anyone up before we could call one of them up for one day. And for every 5 days without a call up we could have one of those guys for a day.

Sure, there's some risk being that close. But it's also a 23 man roster, so we'd need 4 skaters (or a goalie) injured before we even need a call-up. And honestly, what would it really matter if we did have to play a few games here and there with a short roster. Really no different than someone getting hurt during a game.

So, small risk of being slightly handicapped for a meaningless game or 3 and a better roster while healthy. I'll take that.

[eva unit zero]

The cap doesn't work that way. The cap hit is the player's salary prorated to how much of the season has already gone by. If we had only $200K cap space, then the team would have no way of calling up anyone from the AHL throughout most of the season (unless a player went on LTIR, and that means losing a player for ten games and 24 calendar days). This cap mechanic is why the Devils ended up playing with ten forwards in some early games last season while roster players (i.e. Rolston) were injured: they were too close to the cap.

The only way your logic would succeed were if Smith or Tatar to be called up late in the season.

Cap space is based on a pro-rated number; days of the season (not games) spent on the roster divided by days in the season. New Jersey's problem was roster space; a lot of their guys were "not that hurt" so they would be out a few games, but not ten games. Putting them on LTIR means they have to be out a minimum of ten games and 24 days, which wasn't going to happen. Dropping all of these key players for several later games to have one more skater in a different game doesn't make sense.

Smith makes $875k, so he could play maybe 18-20 games depending on the number of days off. Tatar at $840k is pretty close to that also. So between 18-21 games combined for the two. Pyett makes $850k, so add him there.

[Konnan511]

The cap doesn't work that way. The cap hit is the player's salary prorated to how much of the season has already gone by. If we had only $200K cap space, then the team would have no way of calling up anyone from the AHL throughout most of the season (unless a player went on LTIR, and that means losing a player for ten games and 24 calendar days). This cap mechanic is why the Devils ended up playing with ten forwards in some early games last season while roster players (i.e. Rolston) were injured: they were too close to the cap.

The only way your logic would succeed were if Smith or Tatar to be called up late in the season.

That's not how it works...

[Travis]

what's all the love for brooks laich?

I can only s peak for myself but he's attainable, can provide offensive production and is widely regarded as a great locker room guy and a leader.

Plus, he grows a mean beard and has a cool name.

[brett]

2011-2012 Stanley cup winning team right here. Perfect balance.

Traded Hudler to NYR for Prust. They took the trade cause they need scoring.

Defense improved with Brewer and Lilja
PK improved with Madden and Prust
Offense improved with Zherdev/Jagr
Checking line improved with Prust

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Nikolai Zherdev or Jagr ($2.000m)
John Madden ($1.050m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Eric Brewer ($4.250m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.750m)
/ Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.250m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,317,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $82,956

Edited by brett, 21 June 2011 - 02:41 PM.

[hockey23]

2011-2012 Stanley cup winning team right here. Perfect balance.

Traded Hudler to NYR for Prust. They took the trade cause they need scoring.

Defense improved with Brewer and Lilja
PK improved with Madden and Prust
Offense improved with Zherdev/Jagr
Checking line improved with Prust

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Nikolai Zherdev or Jagr ($2.000m)
John Madden ($1.050m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Eric Brewer ($4.250m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.750m)
/ Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.250m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,317,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $82,956

If Holland signs Wiz for $4M, I will hang giant portraits of Kenny in every room of my house and bow to him whenever I enter or exit a room.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

2011-2012 Stanley cup winning team right here. Perfect balance.

Traded Hudler to NYR for Prust. They took the trade cause they need scoring.

Defense improved with Brewer and Lilja
PK improved with Madden and Prust
Offense improved with Zherdev/Jagr
Checking line improved with Prust

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Nikolai Zherdev or Jagr ($2.000m)
John Madden ($1.050m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($4.000m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Eric Brewer ($4.250m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.750m)
/ Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.250m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,317,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $82,956

I don't see us letting Eaves walk. As much as i'd love to have Prust here, the Rangers would be silly to trade him away. John Madden has already stated he will retire if Minnesota doesn't want him back next year. His family lives in Minnesota. I'm hoping we stay away from Zherdev and Jagr, possibly Kenny could possibly acquire a top 6 guy via trade? Not likely, though. I think Matt Greene would be a great fit here. A local Michigan kid, fits the bill for a young shut-down defenseman. Won't be looking for a ton of money. Jim Vandermeer comes to mind as another shut-down defenseman, at the right price of course.

Edited by Bring Back The Bruise Bros, 21 June 2011 - 03:30 PM.

[Gordie Howe hat trick]

Ehrhoff. Despite what you all seem to think I believe that he can bring it especially with our D style, and over all core of players.

[LeftWinger]

Well, we got Lids re-signed, so all that is left for me is:

Jaromir Jagr ($2M seems like a no brainer gamble)
Drew Miller ( 2yrs, $850,000 per)
Patrick Eaves (2yrs $950,00 per)
James Wisniewski ($4M would be great, but I am think more close to $5M per for 5 years)
Steve Montador (1yr $2M)
Ed Jovanovski (1yr $3M)

Joe Goalie (possibly Nabokov in a deal for Hudler/pick)

[IllinoisRedWingsFan]

1. Wisnieski to be signed to a deal worth $4-4.5 Million a year
2. Trade Hudler
3. Say So Long to Ericsson
4. Re-Sign Eaves
5. Get a good back-up goalie NOT named Osgood
6. Top 6 Forward.

Edited by IllinoisRedWingsFan, 21 June 2011 - 06:51 PM.

[CanadaBoy]

Looks like Markov is off the table:


Andrei Markov will resign with the HABS. 100%. Hearing will be a 2 year deal worth $11.5M.
https://twitter.com/#!/TonyMarinaro/status/83320009631338496

[Buppy]

I don't see us letting Eaves walk. As much as i'd love to have Prust here, the Rangers would be silly to trade him away. John Madden has already stated he will retire if Minnesota doesn't want him back next year. His family lives in Minnesota. I'm hoping we stay away from Zherdev and Jagr, possibly Kenny could possibly acquire a top 6 guy via trade? Not likely, though. I think Matt Greene would be a great fit here. A local Michigan kid, fits the bill for a young shut-down defenseman. Won't be looking for a ton of money. Jim Vandermeer comes to mind as another shut-down defenseman, at the right price of course.

You're looking at the wrong Greene I think. Matt is signed for 3 more years in LA. Andy is the UFA.

Though Andy is also a Michigan native, and pretty good in his own right. More of an offensive guy, but decent defense. Not one of my top choices, but I wouldn't object.

[Never_Retire_Steve]

He was pretty terrible in the SCF and wasn't anything special in the remainder of the playoffs either. Maybe chalk it up to inexperience or nerves but he didn't bring it when it counted.

Hey, we used to have a guy like that!

First 4 seasons in the playoffs:

42 GP 3 goals 12 assists

Guess who he is and how he turned out?

[Bannedforlife]

Looks like Markov is off the table:


Andrei Markov will resign with the HABS. 100%. Hearing will be a 2 year deal worth $11.5M.
https://twitter.com/#!/TonyMarinaro/status/83320009631338496

This is not good for us. Wiz will probably be looking for a similar cap hit, plus more years.

[Buppy]

This is not good for us. Wiz will probably be looking for a similar cap hit, plus more years.

I don't know, Markov has had injury issues the last two years, and he's a bit older, but he's also been much better defensively and offensively. I really like Wis, but he does still have to prove he can maintain that offensive output. Also, one big signing isn't going to skew the market much.