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[Aussie_Wing]

Really? $6.2 million for a guy that's still the best in the game at his position, with the Cap continuing to rise isn't going beyond the call of duty?

That's news to me.

Wouldn't have thought so.

[NeverForgetMac25]

Wouldn't have thought so.

To me, his sacrifice is more than enough and IMO is not the difference between a second round loss and the Cup. $6 million difference: maybe, $700K: no chance.

[Aussie_Wing]

To me, his sacrifice is more than enough and IMO is not the difference between a second round loss and the Cup. $6 million difference: maybe, $700K: no chance.

Fair call.

Look I'm happy he's back, and it would've been devestating had he retired, but I think it would've sent one heck of a message to the team and the league if Lidstrom had taken $5 mil and made a real statement.

[NeverForgetMac25]

Fair call.

Look I'm happy he's back, and it would've been devestating had he retired, but I think it would've sent one heck of a message to the team and the league if Lidstrom had taken $5 mil and made a real statement.

Fair enough as well, but a similar message could be said for taking $6.2 once again given the season he had compared to last and the Cap continuing to go up.

Everyone around the league understands the sacrifices it takes to play for the Wings. I'm not necessarily sure Lids taking $5M makes that any more apparent than it already is.

[vladdy16]

Fair call.

Look I'm happy he's back, and it would've been devestating had he retired, but I think it would've sent one heck of a message to the team and the league if Lidstrom had taken $5 mil and made a real statement.

If the cap had gone down, that would have been a statement he could make, but a player of his calibre taking a pay cut when the cap goes up makes no sense whatsoever. I'm thrilled he decided to play another season, and the Wings could pay him 10mil and I wouldn't bat an eye. This is a man who has taken pretty major home town discounts in the past and has deferred his own salary so we could sign other players. IMO, Nick has given the Wings more than his fair share.

Welcome back, Mr. Lidstrom.

[Z and D for the C]

To me, his sacrifice is more than enough and IMO is not the difference between a second round loss and the Cup. $6 million difference: maybe, $700K: no chance.

$700k could easily be the difference between a bonafide top 6er and someone who is only a 2nd/3rd liner, especially in this years free agent pool. $700k would have been the difference for Hossa, IIRC.

Not that I'm complaining about the salary. Just saying.

[Uncle Danny]

Loving this news!!!

Holy crow. That picture makes Nick look like the lovechild of himself and Mickey Redmond.

[Majsheppard]

NOW LET US GET AGGRESSIVE!!!

Yzerman had gone from being the best player in the league not named Gretzky or Lemieux down to centering a second or even third line. Lids has been the best defenseman in the world for more than a decade.

Fixed that for you.

[Wingnut in WA]

Today is my birthday and Nick just gave me the BEST BIRTHDAY PRESENT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[darkmanx]

http://nhlhotstove.c...cklas-lidstrom/

Awesome

[Yak19]

I felt he would and he did.

Edited by Yak19, 20 June 2011 - 11:57 AM.

[Majsheppard]

If this is his last year....
I would have been happier if he said I will come sign after Holland is satisfied with his roster, no matter how much is left for me. However, I never expected that to be the case. It would have been something I would have done because I love this team.

However we often forget that Lidstrom loves his family. That has to be a bigger love, and would most likely lead to me wanting to build the biggest nest egg ever.

I am not going to get into a class warfare mode here, but either way we should be happy. One last shot for Lids, whom we owe as much to him as anyone.

With the cap going up and Lids in place, I want us to get the best players in the world.

I don't care if people scoff.

Bieska, Wiz, and Brad Richards.

I will take that in a heart beat. Sign people now and trade them next year for all I care, let us go at the cup.

Stanley or Bust.

[MrWings787]

welcome back nick

[Doc Holliday]

Posted in HF:

2005-06 - 7.600 million caphit - 39.0 million cap - 19.5% relative cap impact.
2006-07 - 7.600 million caphit - 44.0 million cap - 17.3% relative cap impact.
2007-08 - 7.600 million caphit - 50.3 million cap - 15.1% relative cap impact.
2008-09 - 7.450 million caphit - 56.7 million cap - 13.1% relative cap impact.
2009-10 - 7.450 million caphit - 56.8 million cap - 13.1% relative cap impact.
2010-11 - 6.200 million caphit - 59.4 million cap - 10,4% relative cap impact.
2011-12 - 6.200 million caphit - 64.0 million cap - 9.7% relative cap impact.

No discount?

[NeverForgetMac25]

$700k could easily be the difference between a bonafide top 6er and someone who is only a 2nd/3rd liner, especially in this years free agent pool. $700k would have been the difference for Hossa, IIRC.

Not that I'm complaining about the salary. Just saying.

I'll clarify further then, based on your statement. The difference between a bonafide top 6er and a 2nd/3rd liner is not going to make the difference in winning the cup or not. $2-$3M though is a big difference. $700K is peanuts and the on-ice product would not show much difference.

As for Hossa, the timing didn't work for the Wings more than anything. Right now, the Kenny could and would easily pay the salary he's making in Chicago for the rest of his career.

[Travis]

Been stuck in class all morning, but I have been rejoicing after reading the news on my phone.

I'm also really excited to hear that Holland is going to be 'aggressive' this Summer. I fully expect this off-season to be the exact opposite of last year's.

[vladdy16]

Karsch and Anderson on 97.1 are bringing up Nick's plus minus and saying we should have paid less. While a partial barometer, this stat is not indicative of any defenseman's overall worth.
1) While his plus/minus went down from last year, this is more indicative of team defense; Nick can't lift every stick on the ice.
2) He had 60 points last season.
3) Losing both our assistants AND our captain in the same year does not a smooth transition make.
4) Even with a less-than-desirable plus/minus, he's STILL a Norris finalist.

Why do I bother listening to these guys??

[Majsheppard]

Posted in HF:



No discount?

I would point out that American money inflates at about 2.2% a year. There is another way he is making less real purchasing power for his efforts.
For him to have the same value that he was making with 7.6 million in 2005, he would need roughly...

$8,850,541.91 to make the same money.

Or... let us just say we talk about his 6.2 contract....

$6,336,400 would be an estimate of how much his contract should have been worth given a COLA or cost of living adjustment.

His money in 2011-2012 will be worth
$6,066,536.20 in last years money...

Just shows you that the NHL is greatly outpacing normal inflation... much like Gas.

Don't feel bad for Lids though, he could easily be making 8% on his money if he is well invested. Which means when he was making 10 million back in the day he should be making at least league minimum of 750k just in capital gains... and the tax rate for that is even lower than his original earnings.

You can take two viewpoints from that, either he should have taken less because enough is enough, or he is taking less for certain and we should be quite happy. The truth is at this point it doesn't hurt the team as much as it hurts the fans who pay for the seats. If you don't mind then who cares. I am happy Lidstrom will be back.

I believe I will go put this up on my blog.

[Din758]

http://nhlhotstove.c...cklas-lidstrom/

Awesome

I get the feeling the chick who wrote that is extremely hot.

[Doc Holliday]

Karsch and Anderson on 97.1 are bringing up Nick's plus minus and saying we should have paid less. While a partial barometer, this stat is not indicative of any defenseman's overall worth.
1) While his plus/minus went down from last year, this is more indicative of team defense; Nick can't lift every stick on the ice.
2) He had 60 points last season.
3) Losing both our assistants AND our captain in the same year does not a smooth transition make.

Why do I bother listening to these guys??

I'm about ready to call in and discuss the relative cap hit numbers.

They have no idea what they are talking about.