Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 Doughty is one of the few players that I would extend an offer sheet to Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 27, 2011 Doughty is one of the few players that I would extend an offer sheet to Well, no team in the NHL is going to get the opportunity to do so. 1 Uncle Danny reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 Well, no team in the NHL is going to get the opportunity to do so. Why? I don't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Why? I don't get it. You cannot send a player an offer sheet if his team has elected salary arbitration. EDIT: Which Crymson, and most other would agree - myself included, believes will happen if he declines this offer. Edited June 27, 2011 by Ozzie30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 Why? I don't get it. Yeah, I'm with you on this. While I highly doubt Holland will send an offer sheet to Doughty, ANY team has the right to do so, under the current CBA. Unless LA enacts the arbitration process for Doughty, he's not immune to offer sheets. I think Crymson just likes to think that he can ultimately predict anything sometimes. Not trying to start anything Crymson, just the impression I get. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 You cannot send a player an offer sheet if his team has elected salary arbitration. EDIT: Which Crymson, and most other would agree - myself included, believes will happen if he declines this offer. I still don't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 I still don't get it. They're trying to say that if anyone offers Doughty an offer sheet, he'll decline it, and then LA will enact arbitration for him... I don't think it's that cut and dry, but that's the gist of it. Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) They're trying to say that if anyone offers Doughty an offer sheet, he'll decline it, and then LA will enact arbitration for him... I don't think it's that cut and dry, but that's the gist of it. Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation. Yeah, I'm with you on this. While I highly doubt Holland will send an offer sheet to Doughty, ANY team has the right to do so, under the current CBA. Unless LA enacts the arbitration process for Doughty, he's not immune to offer sheets. I think Crymson just likes to think that he can ultimately predict anything sometimes. Not trying to start anything Crymson, just the impression I get. L.A. taking Doughty to arbitration if he rejects this offer is about as likely as the sun rising tomorrow. It would be asinine beyond belief of Lombardi to not do so, especially given how few effective defenseman will be available on the free agent market this offseason. Doughty is still immune to offer sheets at this stage, regardless, because none can be presented to him until July 1st. Thank you for your attempts at psychological analysis. I guess that me using a case of extreme probability to make a statement means that I feel I can predict anything. I should go out and buy a lotto ticket now. Edited June 27, 2011 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 I don't believe Doughty is eligible for arbitration yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 27, 2011 I don't believe Doughty is eligible for arbitration yet. If that's the case, then I misunderstood the CBA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 If that's the case, then I misunderstood the CBA. Players signing before age of 20 need at least four years of NHL experience, which excludes any player coming off of his ELC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation. L.A. taking Doughty to arbitration if he rejects this offer is about as likely as the sun rising tomorrow. It would be asinine beyond belief of Lombardi to not do so, especially given how few effective defenseman will be available on the free agent market this offseason. Doughty is still immune to offer sheets at this stage, regardless, because none can be presented to him until July 1st. Thank you for your attempts at psychological analysis. I guess that me using a case of extreme probability to make a statement means that I feel I can predict anything. I should go out and buy a lotto ticket now. And being an ass won't get you far in life either... as soon as you win that lotto ticket, a highly "improbable" piano will fall from the sky and flatten you. Again, you're assuming that Doughty won't accept an offer sheet... We are not in the players mind, so that kind of predicted probability is complete BS. Don't even try to defend it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) Players signing before age of 20 need at least four years of NHL experience, which excludes any player coming off of his ELC. But he is coming off of his ELC, isn't he? Or did I misunderstand you? Edited June 27, 2011 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) But he is coming off of his ELC, isn't he? Or did I misunderstand you? I explained poorly. Players signing their ELC before the age of 20 need four years of NHL experience to be eligible for arbitration. So that excludes any player signing before the age of 20 from being eligible for arbitration when they come off of their ELC. So what it boils down to, Drew Doughty is not eligible for arbitration until next summer, but obviously he'll have a long-term contract before then. Edited June 27, 2011 by MacK_Attack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 They're trying to say that if anyone offers Doughty an offer sheet, he'll decline it, and then LA will enact arbitration for him... I don't think it's that cut and dry, but that's the gist of it. Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation. I know, I know. I was just teasing you guys. xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 I explained poorly. Players signing their ELC before the age of 20 need four years of NHL experience to be eligible for arbitration. So that excludes any player signing before the age of 20 from being eligible for arbitration when they come off of their ELC. So what it boils down to, Drew Doughty is not eligible for arbitration until next summer, but obviously he'll have a long-term contract before then. If that's the case, then LA needs to lock him off before 7/1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 If that's the case, then LA needs to lock him off before 7/1. Not really, they'll match any offer sheet, so I don't see it being a major issue. It would have to be a pretty outrageous offer for L.A. to let him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 27, 2011 Not really, they'll match any offer sheet, so I don't see it being a major issue. It would have to be a pretty outrageous offer for L.A. to let him go. Yeah but that's still more money they'll have to pay him. Potentially a lot. Especially with teams so far below the floor this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 27, 2011 I explained poorly. Players signing their ELC before the age of 20 need four years of NHL experience to be eligible for arbitration. So that excludes any player signing before the age of 20 from being eligible for arbitration when they come off of their ELC. So what it boils down to, Drew Doughty is not eligible for arbitration until next summer, but obviously he'll have a long-term contract before then. Oh. Well, thanks for the education. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Din758 371 Report post Posted June 28, 2011 Twitter: NHLSourcesSay #TB sign M-A Bergeron to a 2 year deal worth $2M @renhockey 8 minutes ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 28, 2011 not a big deal, all he does is thrown hipchecks and play the point on the second pp, the dude is worthless defensively Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 28, 2011 Twitter: NHLSourcesSay #TB sign M-A Bergeron to a 2 year deal worth $2M @renhockey 8 minutes ago He was very good in their system and that is a great price tag... good signing for the Bolts, the only question now, is if he can stay healthy, but at that price tag, I guess it's not as big of a concern... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted June 28, 2011 The problem with him is that he is so defensively liable that you almost always see 7 defensemen in the line up when he's playing. He gets minimal ES ice time. Although he can definitely be effective on your second PP unit he definitely comes with some pretty glaring drawbacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Din758 371 Report post Posted June 28, 2011 I dont know much about this guy, but I was under the impression alot of people were wanting him to come to Detroit. Not to replace Raffi, but Big E. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pucktividi 472 Report post Posted June 28, 2011 M.A. Bergeron has some solid puck moving skills and for $1M/y it's a good deal for Tampa imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
