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[e_prime]

Every time I see one of your posts I literally puke a little bit in my mouth.

Hmmm. Now you know what we all feel like when yours pop up.


Go back to your line threads dude. At least I got to drink when those popped up.

PS: Holland will never make an offer sheet for Doughty. It's just never going to happen. Doughty will hit the arbitrator if nothing else.

[haroldsnepsts]

It would have to be an absolutely insane offer for L.A. to let him go. It's a pipe dream to expect him to leave for another team via offer sheet.

This.

More than Kopitar, Johnson or Brown, Doughty is their franchise player.

[Majsheppard]

Yes, and then we could offer up our next four first round draft picks in the process. No thanks.

No, he won't be pissed off if we don't get Doughty, because it will mean the team hasn't mortgaged its future for a D-man who suffered a major concussion last season.

Yeah four 30th overall picks.

[F.Michael]

Yes, and then we could offer up our next four first round draft picks in the process. No thanks.

No, he won't be pissed off if we don't get Doughty, because it will mean the team hasn't mortgaged its future for a D-man who suffered a major concussion last season.

What would you feel is reasonable compensation for a highly rated (future Norris Trophy potential) Dman just on the verge of entering his prime?

Looking at the past 4 years none of our "top" picks look like they'll be much better than a 3rd line forward, or #5/#6 Dman (possible exception though with Smith - might be a #3/#4 Dman in 2, or 3 years from now).

To me it's something any reasonable GM would consider if he were to poach a RFA from a rival.

[Crymson]

What would you feel is reasonable compensation for a highly rated (future Norris Trophy potential) Dman just on the verge of entering his prime?

Looking at the past 4 years none of our "top" picks look like they'll be much better than a 3rd line forward, or #5/#6 Dman (possible exception though with Smith - might be a #3/#4 Dman in 2, or 3 years from now).

To me it's something any reasonable GM would consider if he were to poach a RFA from a rival.

Doughty took a step back last season. It remains to be seen if he'll continue to improve. Further, a significant concussion is nothing to be sneezed at; it can forebode bad things, as sustaining one concussion significantly increases the chances that another will occur.

Too, Holland has stated that he'll not do this sort of thing. It tends to strain relations and give a GM a bad reputation.

This is all moot, of course, because L.A. will be taking him to arbitration just as Nashville did with Weber and NJ with Parise. Holland wouldn't have the opportunity to present an offer sheet.

Edited by Crymson, 27 June 2011 - 12:56 AM.

[F.Michael]

Doughty took a step back last season. It remains to be seen if he'll continue to improve. Further, a significant concussion is nothing to be sneezed at; it can forebode bad things, as sustaining one concussion significantly increases the chances that another will occur.

Too, Holland has stated that he'll not do this sort of thing. It tends to strain relations and give a GM a bad reputation.

This is all moot, of course, because L.A. will match any offer that isn't exorbitant; and having Doughty on the team for ~$9m per season (probably what it would cost) is not worth it.

There's no doubt that 1 concussion could lead to another - and another, but that could be said about any number of players who've gotten their bells rung in the past few years (Brad Richards comes to mind)...Just hope that it won't happen again.

I'm not expecting Holland to make the Doughty camp an offer (now if Doughty had played for the Hurricanes - that might be a different story) as it can create animosity throughout the league.

But seriously though - 4 first round picks to me seem pretty resonable for Doughty when ya consider that we really have nothing special in GR.

[Crymson]

There's no doubt that 1 concussion could lead to another - and another, but that could be said about any number of players who've gotten their bells rung in the past few years (Brad Richards comes to mind)...Just hope that it won't happen again.

I'm not expecting Holland to make the Doughty camp an offer (now if Doughty had played for the Hurricanes - that might be a different story) as it can create animosity throughout the league.

But seriously though - 4 first round picks to me seem pretty resonable for Doughty when ya consider that we really have nothing special in GR.

I edited my post when I realized another point: L.A. will simply take Doughty to arbitration if he turns down this offer, so they'll be immune to offer sheets for him anyway.

[Never_Retire_Steve]

Doughty is one of the few players that I would extend an offer sheet to

[Crymson]

Doughty is one of the few players that I would extend an offer sheet to

Well, no team in the NHL is going to get the opportunity to do so.

[Finnish Wing]

Well, no team in the NHL is going to get the opportunity to do so.

Why? I don't get it.

[Ozzie30]

Why? I don't get it.

You cannot send a player an offer sheet if his team has elected salary arbitration.

EDIT: Which Crymson, and most other would agree - myself included, believes will happen if he declines this offer.

Edited by Ozzie30, 27 June 2011 - 11:25 AM.

[SwedeLundin77]

Why? I don't get it.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. While I highly doubt Holland will send an offer sheet to Doughty, ANY team has the right to do so, under the current CBA. Unless LA enacts the arbitration process for Doughty, he's not immune to offer sheets.

I think Crymson just likes to think that he can ultimately predict anything sometimes. Not trying to start anything Crymson, just the impression I get.

[Finnish Wing]

You cannot send a player an offer sheet if his team has elected salary arbitration.

EDIT: Which Crymson, and most other would agree - myself included, believes will happen if he declines this offer.

I still don't get it.

[SwedeLundin77]

I still don't get it.

They're trying to say that if anyone offers Doughty an offer sheet, he'll decline it, and then LA will enact arbitration for him... I don't think it's that cut and dry, but that's the gist of it.

Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation.

[Crymson]

They're trying to say that if anyone offers Doughty an offer sheet, he'll decline it, and then LA will enact arbitration for him... I don't think it's that cut and dry, but that's the gist of it.

Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. While I highly doubt Holland will send an offer sheet to Doughty, ANY team has the right to do so, under the current CBA. Unless LA enacts the arbitration process for Doughty, he's not immune to offer sheets.

I think Crymson just likes to think that he can ultimately predict anything sometimes. Not trying to start anything Crymson, just the impression I get.

L.A. taking Doughty to arbitration if he rejects this offer is about as likely as the sun rising tomorrow. It would be asinine beyond belief of Lombardi to not do so, especially given how few effective defenseman will be available on the free agent market this offseason. Doughty is still immune to offer sheets at this stage, regardless, because none can be presented to him until July 1st.

Thank you for your attempts at psychological analysis. I guess that me using a case of extreme probability to make a statement means that I feel I can predict anything. I should go out and buy a lotto ticket now.

Edited by Crymson, 27 June 2011 - 12:25 PM.

[MacK_Attack]

I don't believe Doughty is eligible for arbitration yet.

[Crymson]

I don't believe Doughty is eligible for arbitration yet.

If that's the case, then I misunderstood the CBA.

[MacK_Attack]

If that's the case, then I misunderstood the CBA.

Players signing before age of 20 need at least four years of NHL experience, which excludes any player coming off of his ELC.

[SwedeLundin77]

Again they are assuming that will happen, but everything is just speculation.



L.A. taking Doughty to arbitration if he rejects this offer is about as likely as the sun rising tomorrow. It would be asinine beyond belief of Lombardi to not do so, especially given how few effective defenseman will be available on the free agent market this offseason. Doughty is still immune to offer sheets at this stage, regardless, because none can be presented to him until July 1st.

Thank you for your attempts at psychological analysis. I guess that me using a case of extreme probability to make a statement means that I feel I can predict anything. I should go out and buy a lotto ticket now.

And being an ass won't get you far in life either... as soon as you win that lotto ticket, a highly "improbable" piano will fall from the sky and flatten you.


Again, you're assuming that Doughty won't accept an offer sheet... We are not in the players mind, so that kind of predicted probability is complete BS. Don't even try to defend it.

[Crymson]

Players signing before age of 20 need at least four years of NHL experience, which excludes any player coming off of his ELC.

But he is coming off of his ELC, isn't he? Or did I misunderstand you?

Edited by Crymson, 27 June 2011 - 12:48 PM.