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[Hiei]

SUP DAWG, I HEARD YOU LIKE TO DREAM! SO WE PUT A DREAM IN YOUR DREAM SO YOU CAN DREAM WHILE YOU DREAM WHILE YOU DREAM!

[luvmnger]

holland will spread the money around and try to build the most balanced team that he can work with.

the bruins figured it out....the rangers and maple leafs cant.

i would think we can rise above the "spenders"

balance the power & chemistry.

[martyrme19]

I know people are quick to shoot you down - because thats what this board likes to do, but I've actually heard this being discussed as a real possibility.

Here are a couple of reasons why:

1, No one is saying that Yzerman will just GIVE us Stamkos. But, you can't deny that if Yzerman was forced to deal a hand - Detroit would probably be the first one he would call. Just look at Tallon in Florida and tell me that GM's don't enjoy the luxury of dealing with who they know the best. People are saying that Stamkos might be unsignable just because of the other contracts Tampa Bay has, or will need to have in the near future. As well, signing Stamkos may make the rest of the cupboard bare, and I don't believe Yzerman is willing to do that. So - getting something in return as oppose to losing him in Free Agency is a real option.

2, Everyone knows that Detroit will be a player in the FA pool this offseason. The thing is, I'm not convinced it will be for Dmen. Even though Holland said he wasn't even close to pulling a deal during the draft, he isn't stupid. He will only pay so much for Wisniewski. The Red Wings NEVER sell the barn for anyone, especially someone who could just be this seasons flavor of the week. Markov and Bieska are arleady gone, the weaker FA pool is getting even weaker now. What I think might be more of a possibility is getting a top 4 Dman through trade and then signing Ed Jovanoski (very Red Wing type FA and you all know it).
I think any forward not named Pavel or Henrik is on the trading block at this point. Even if we deal Filpulla, or Franzen, or Cleary - those guys are much easier to replace at this point.
I think we deal a forward for a Dman, and then replace that lost firepower with someone like Richards or (SHOCK!) Jagr. I think if Jagr signs its almost a certainty we are trading away a forward. IF...the opportunity comes that Stamkos is attainable, we might very well go that route instead of this FA pool to replace that lost firepower.

I think we need to revamp our "big 3". Franzen (who I love, mind you) is kind of like a poor man's goal scorer. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are very complete players, but as great as they are they don't have it in them to win a scoring title. The Red Wings have been missing that kind of player for some time now.

Now, the odds of this happening are slim - but so is any scenario (no one wouldve thought Carter and Richards would have happened). But I think that in the board room, there has been or at least will be a mention of it. If you guys don't think our Execs are exploring every avenue right now, then you don't know Red Wings hockey. You're talking about a team that traded for Chris Chelios for crying out loud! If you aren't old enough to know, that is the equivalent of signing Claude Lemieux.

[kylee]

wait why would the Lightning not give their franchise player a lifelong term? These threads are getting a bit ridiculous. But hey what do I know, according to some folks on LGW we had a legit shot at Shea Weber

[martyrme19]

You forget, a player will actually have to SIGN the offer for it to actually work......I mean, Fedorov once walked, remember?

Not only that, but they got some expensive guys on the books. Lecavalier is at a 7.7 cap hit! And they will want to plan on signing Hedman soon as well.

Edited by martyrme19, 27 June 2011 - 10:35 PM.

[Off the Post]

If detroit has a chance to sign Doughty and there isnt anyone esle they picked up, i would easily be happy to take a hit of 7 from doughty

[dirtydangles]

If detroit has a chance to sign Doughty and there isnt anyone esle they picked up, i would easily be happy to take a hit of 7 from doughty

oh me too.

lol i tried a stamkos lineup for s***s. ya,this would handicap us bigtime.... thats a shaky ass d once lids retires.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Simon Gagne ($3.500m) / Steven Stamkos ($9.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.850m)
Drew Miller ($0.650m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Steve Montador ($2.000m)
Doug Janik ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Brian Boucher ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,129,544; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $170,456

[brett]

yzerman would be fired as GM if he cant resign stamkos

All 16mil needs to go to defense lol

im not sure i would love to have him here actually. once playoffs started he was a no show. HOSSSSSAAAAAAAA 2.0

[Ozzie30]

Is that where we're keeping the drugs now? Outside of the box?

Seriously though, make it happen Kenny.

[dirtydangles]

ahahahaha agreed. i just posted to show how implausible it was. cups are won from the back end. i think an addition of one of gagne or richards (at a reasonable hit) with 2 top 4 dmen would put us in serious contention to win next season.

[lookalive07]

Was the OP asking a serious question?

I missed it if it was.

[Hockey Convert]

I don't have any problem with Stamkos as a person, but if he want's to play the cash register game I would think he needs to learn not to disappear in the playoffs first. When the chips are down, it's been everyone else getting it done, and the commentators wondering what happened to Stamkos' game.

[Hatethedrake!]

While we're talking dream scenarios, here's mine...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Brad Richards ($6.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.900m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
Drew Miller ($0.750m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($4.250m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / James Wisniewski ($4.250m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($1.920m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,187,044; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $112,956

[Dimaline312000]

The thought of having Stamkos is very cool I just don't see it working out. Wings definetly need D. It would be nice to add a strong forward like Stammer but probably not this season. Wings main focuse needs to be D and who if anyone can come up from GR and take on a Role in Detroit!!

[shaeb30]

I guess people missed the "thinking outside the box" part in all this. This is a discussion forum... why not at least talk about the possibility instead of jumping down my throat? If you take a second to actually think about the idea, its not as unrealistic as it may seem. If Stevie can't work something out, wouldn't you think the first place he would call would be Detroit? I was just throwing an idea out there for people to talk about!!!

[Hatethedrake!]

I guess people missed the "thinking outside the box" part in all this. This is a discussion forum... why not at least talk about the possibility instead of jumping down my throat? If you take a second to actually think about the idea, its not as unrealistic as it may seem. If Stevie can't work something out, wouldn't you think the first place he would call would be Detroit? I was just throwing an idea out there for people to talk about!!!

People disagreeing with you is in no way, shape or form 'jumping down your throat.' You can't expect everyone to agree with you. This is what a discussion forum is all about. Discussing differentiating viewpoints. You have the right to your opinion. However, everyone else is entitled to the have one as well.

[dirtydangles]

Stevie doesn't owe us any favors. He's not gonna give ip stamkos unless he gets big return. Which we can't offer at this point. The best offer would win.

[shaeb30]

People disagreeing with you is in no way, shape or form 'jumping down your throat.' You can't expect everyone to agree with you. This is what a discussion forum is all about. Discussing differentiating viewpoints. You have the right to your opinion. However, everyone else is entitled to the have one as well.

Agreed. Shouldn't jump to conclusions so quick... my bad!

[Shaman464]

Ok for those of you who haven't gotten the Red Wings conspiracy newsletter here's the plan:

This summer the Wings sign Stamkos to 8 million dollars a year for 10 years thus sending our next 4 first round draft picks to Tampa Bay. This would be a bad thing if it wasn't for the fact Holland has already planed for this. Next season Lidstrom will retire, in a freak turn of events (and some incriminating pictures taken December at the board of governors meeting by Jiri Hudler with some women he met in Russia and Kevin Lowe. This is why Hudler went to Russia people!) Lowe steps down at the end of next season and Lidstrom coming off of his 5th Stanley Cup and 8th Norris retires. Seeing a job opening in Edmonton he throws his hat in for the job and is hired on site. Edmonton tanks as expected, but, wanting to get assets for the future he and Ken Holland work out a trade. He trades his next 4 first round picks to Detroit for our fourth and fifth rounders, reasoning that because they were Detroit's they must be gold. Thus the Wings get Stamkos, for a pretty fair cap hit and still have first round draft picks every year.

Don't tell the rest of the league...

Edited by Shaman464, 28 June 2011 - 10:38 AM.

[swiss_fan]

C'mon be Stamkos a Wing!!!!