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#221 Heaten

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:42 PM

Yup! Christian Ehrhoff is good player but 10 years :lol:


AS proven today with Kenny Holland saving his 4th round pick; the best trades are no trades. Glad to see he's waiting for July 1st than making dumb decisions that could hurt the future.

I plan on watching Red Wings hockey for the next 60+ years. Not just the 2011/12 season, then finding a new sport. I want this team to be as competitive as long as possible. Giving picks away is the fastest way to ruin a franchise.

Edited by Heaten, 30 June 2011 - 05:43 PM.


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:42 PM

I agree 100 percent. Holland should have pressed the issue more. Especially nowadays with most teams trading picks away for players' rights. Apparently it isn't worth trading your draft picks away because they are the future. Yet, we never know if those players we draft will even become successful NHLers like an Ehrhoff or a Wiz.


Ya normally i would be against trading picks for rights, but not so much this year as there is so little to pick from. It would be different if we were talking about a low market non contending team, but we are none of those things. If we had the rights to say Wis i think we would get a better deal then if we have a pick in free agency (if he even gets there). With team needs on defence and so little to pick from you bet guys will get overpayed, but with the rights to one of the top notch d in this ufa crop maybe we could get a much better deal. I guess we will see, but im very nervous

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:45 PM

Erhoff waited this long ... he couldn't wait another 24hrs to see what other offers he might get ?? Dumbass ... you deserve to be in Buffalo if you're that stupid.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:46 PM

I can't believe I forgot Vrbata is a UFA too, I would love to see him here too.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:46 PM

How do we even know that draft pick ever pans out? You have got to be kidding me man>


How do you know it doesn't? Why throw a 4th round pick away for nothing and lose that chance of a possible good player? Red Wings have good success in the later rounds. Why give away the future?

Good asset management by Kenny Holland. You gotta give him props for not making a desperate and poor trades.

Edited by Heaten, 30 June 2011 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:50 PM

How do you know it doesn't? Why throw a 4th round pick away for nothing and lose that chance of a possible good pick? Red Wings have good success in the later rounds. Why give away the future?

Good asset management by Kenny Holland. You gotta give him props for not making a desperate and poor trades.


I agree with not giving up the 4th for Hoff as thats just too much and has a legitimate shot to be a good player. But i think if I was Holland I would have gave up the 7th for Wis as I think he would sign with us on a better deal then what he signs for on july 1 or later. (Again if he gets that for) which i hope to god he does

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

relax people,we have a man to take Rafi's spot and his name is Ericsson :lol:

from HFBoards:

"From July 1st other clubs are allowed to give offers. I'm not worried, things will be solved."

"I would've hoped to take his spot(Rafalski's), but they've told me they're looking for a new defenceman there."

"I'm happy in Detroit and wouldn't mind staying. In the contract negotiations we've had, we've been talking about terms of two or four years. We'll see how it goes"


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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:52 PM

How do you know it doesn't? Why throw a 4th round pick away for nothing and lose that chance of a possible good player? Red Wings have good success in the later rounds. Why give away the future?

Good asset management by Kenny Holland. You gotta give him props for not making a desperate and poor trades.

Trading a 4th round for the rights to a player who's young and fits into your team going forward is desperate and poor? Stop sipping the kool-aid. These are low risk high reward deals, it's not like there trading 1sts for rights.

And just for the record, I didn't want anything to do with Ehrhoff and am glad he won't be coming to Detroit

Edited by Detroit # 1 Fan, 30 June 2011 - 05:56 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:53 PM

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Ehrhoff deal breakdown: 10 Years // $40 Million:

Year 1: $8M signing bonus, $2M salary;
Year 2: $5M SB, $3M sal. That's $18M in 1st 2 yrs, or $15M before puck drops on 12-13 season.
Year 3: $4M; Year 4: $4M, Year 5: $4M; Year 6: $4M; Year 7: $3M; Year 8; $1M; Year 9: $1M, Year 10: $1M. Modified NTC. Cap hit=$4M/yr.


Do you think this looks like a contract that's going to get a good hard look from the league?

Edited by e_prime, 30 June 2011 - 05:56 PM.

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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:57 PM

via @TSNBobMcKenzie

Ehrhoff deal breakdown: 10 Years // $40 Million:

Year 1: $8M signing bonus, $2M salary;
Year 2: $5M SB, $3M sal. That's $18M in 1st 2 yrs, or $15M before puck drops on 12-13 season.
Year 3: $4M; Year 4: $4M, Year 5: $4M; Year 6: $4M; Year 7: $3M; Year 8; $1M; Year 9: $1M, Year 10: $1M. Modified NTC. Cap hit=$4M/yr.


This looks like a contract that's going to get a good hard look from the league.


Dude that's insane

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:58 PM

Ehrhoff agrees to terms with Buffalo per TSN. Is Wiz the only one left? If he signs with bj's then I guess its ericsson and kaberle or jovo....


Pitkanen.

As for Ehrhoff's deal, my thought is this:

I wouldn't have liked Holland signing another 10-year deal in general, but Ehrhoff's cap hit is well below his market value if it's the reported $40m over 10 years. That would have been an excellent deal for the Wings' current situation; Ehrhoff plays his prime out under value, and then retires before the end of his deal. It would also have left enough cap space to still go after other higher-end free agents.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:00 PM

That's $10M in year 1 ... he is in Luongo, Lecavlier territory. First, Buffalo is stupid. Second, Erhoff is stupid. So they deserve each other.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:01 PM

Pitkanen.



He already re-upped with the 'Canes.
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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:04 PM

Trading a 4th round for the rights to a player who's young and fits into your team going forward is desperate and poor? Stop sipping the kool-aid. These are low risk high reward deals, it's not like there trading 1sts for rights.

And just for the record, I didn't want anything to do with Ehrhoff and am glad he won't be coming to Detroit


Wait, so you are saying Holland should have given up a 4th round pick for a guy you didn't want to play for Detroit anyhow? That makes a lot of sense! Who's sipping the 'ol kool-aid?

Kenny just saved a 4th round draft pick, how can you not be happy with that?

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:07 PM

via @TSNBobMcKenzie

Ehrhoff deal breakdown: 10 Years // $40 Million:

Year 1: $8M signing bonus, $2M salary;
Year 2: $5M SB, $3M sal. That's $18M in 1st 2 yrs, or $15M before puck drops on 12-13 season.
Year 3: $4M; Year 4: $4M, Year 5: $4M; Year 6: $4M; Year 7: $3M; Year 8; $1M; Year 9: $1M, Year 10: $1M. Modified NTC. Cap hit=$4M/yr.


Do you think this looks like a contract that's going to get a good hard look from the league?


I wouldn't mind seeing it get thrown out, and Holland pulling Ehrhoff out of Buffalo.
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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:08 PM

Wait, so you are saying Holland should have given up a 4th round pick for a guy you didn't want to play for Detroit anyhow? That makes a lot of sense! Who's sipping the 'ol kool-aid?

Kenny just saved a 4th round draft pick, how can you not be happy with that?

I was talking about Buffalo.. obviously because that was the topic at hand. But nice try :D

I'm glad Holland saves draft picks, and like I said, I didnt want Ehrhoff. However, trading a 4th round pick for a players rights is not mortgaging the future, or desperate or poor at all. Especially when the player you acquire is young and actually signs with your team. (Then there;s Garth Snow who trades picks for players he'd have to be crazy to think would sign with his team, lets just be glad he isn't our GM :hehe: )

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:13 PM

Trading a 4th round for the rights to a player who's young and fits into your team going forward is desperate and poor? Stop sipping the kool-aid. These are low risk high reward deals, it's not like there trading 1sts for rights.





Good point,but the majority of us remember how we got screwed with a pick in Robert Lang trade :scared:

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:14 PM

I was talking about Buffalo.. obviously because that was the topic at hand. But nice try :D

I'm glad Holland saves draft picks, and like I said, I didnt want Ehrhoff. However, trading a 4th round pick for a players rights is not mortgaging the future, or desperate or poor at all. Especially when the player you acquire is young and actually signs with your team. (Then there;s Garth Snow who trades picks for players he'd have to be crazy to think would sign with his team, lets just be glad he isn't our GM :hehe: )


You must have accidentally quoted my post because I was in a conversation with another member about DRWs 4th round pick. The convo were were having was about 'Detroit's needs', who already have bunch of LTCs. It's fine for Buff because they don't have the contracts like Zetterberg/Franzen etc...

I'd be fine if Holland gave up a 4th round pick for Suter or Weber next year, though.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:18 PM

You must have accidentally quoted my post because I was in a conversation with another member about DRWs 4th round pick. The convo were were having was about 'Detroit's needs', who already have bunch of LTCs. It's fine for Buff because they don't have the contracts like Zetterberg/Franzen etc...

I'd be fine if Holland gave up a 4th round pick for Suter or Weber next year, though.

I doubt there's a person on this forum who'd disagree with that :thumbup:

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:25 PM

Well, you can't give up hope on a big name trade just yet. A story broke (heard by several dozen Flames' fans) on a local Calgary news radio station that Bouwmeester was asked to waive his NTC. I wonder if Holland has something up his sleeve??





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