haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 No idea. Thus the "lesser known" part of the equation. There are hundreds of defensemen in the league, are there not? THere's got to be someone out there who will play for 1.8, take penalties, hardly score and make bad defensive decisions. There isn't. He doesn't exist. If he did, Ericsson would not have gotten what he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 1, 2011 Datsyuk and Kronwall both had done more to earn their pay day. ..... [/snip] Lol. Datsyuk was known as a playoff bust and Kenny Holland re-signed him to that 7 year deal when the salary cap was really low. Kronwall didn't show his worth in his cap area either. Lots of angry LGWs fans. Similar to now... nothing's changed around here. Ericsson has shown he has great potential. He's had some very solid games and Babcock and Holland (Holland with the best scouting staff in the game) believe in him. I guess LGWs has more hockey intelligence than DRWs brass? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 Now seeing Jovo sign for 4 years/$16.5m in Florida, I have to say that I'm starting to feel that maybe Kenny didn't do all that bad with Big E by comparison. Shocking, I know.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladifan 680 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) There isn't. He doesn't exist. If he did, Ericsson would not have gotten what he did. Meanwhile, I love some of the recent "minuses" in this thread. No serious rebuttal or points to be made to logical questions or fact-based statements. Just the big ol' minus. Got yer toys collected? I'd hate to think you'd lose any going home. Yeeeeeeeeeahhhh...... Edited July 1, 2011 by Vladifan 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 We're talking about JONATHAN ERICSSON. Anything over 1.5 mil is insane. ^THIS^ Ericsson Sucks Donkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 This is the best signing so far in my honest opnion I know he's had his ups and downs since being here in Detroit but with him being so young I can see him improving and continuing to get better so I am glad to have him back because I believe he will be a better player in the long run. 1 haroldsnepsts reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) There isn't. He doesn't exist. If he did, Ericsson would not have gotten what he did. Holland signed Ericsson because he still hopes for potential. There ARE tons of cheap defensemen who bring what Ericsson does or more. He just signed Commodore for what Ericsson should have been paid. Boom. Edited July 1, 2011 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 Holland signed Ericsson because he still hopes for potential. There ARE tons of cheap defensemen who bring what Ericsson does or more. He just signed Commodore for what Ericsson should have been paid. Boom. Boom? Holland signed Commodore to replace Salei. He's an overpaid bottom pairing defenseman that Columbus wanted to get rid of. They'll still be paying half his salary and the Wings get him on the cheap for a year so they take a chance on a guy with some issues. If Holland hadn't signed Ericsson, he'd still have a 19 minute hole in his lineup and be missing a #4/5 guy. You don't get that for $1 million. Waiting around and trying to fit some deal into your vague prediction doesn't somehow make you right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 Boom? Holland signed Commodore to replace Salei. He's an overpaid bottom pairing defenseman that Columbus wanted to get rid of. They'll still be paying half his salary and the Wings get him on the cheap for a year so they take a chance on a guy with some issues. If Holland hadn't signed Ericsson, he'd still have a 19 minute hole in his lineup and be missing a #4/5 guy. You don't get that for $1 million. Waiting around and trying to fit some deal into your vague prediction doesn't somehow make you right. But that was my point. Crappy defensemen are a dime a dozen and I was told I was wrong. That there was no one else out there in the league who could do what Ericsson does for cheaper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 My take on this is that Ericsson was signed with the full intent of putting him on the trade block. There are still a list of teams who need to spend to reach the cap floor. There isn't a lot left out there to spend on, and no way is Richards going to a bad team. Thus someone could step up and try to get Ericsson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 But that was my point. Crappy defensemen are a dime a dozen and I was told I was wrong. That there was no one else out there in the league who could do what Ericsson does for cheaper. Commodore doesn't prove your point. He's a defensive defenseman taking the 6th/7th spot. Like it or not, with Rafalski gone, Ericsson is one of the Wings best puck moving defenseman behind Lids and Kronwall. 1 Drake_Marcus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MGreenberg 105 Report post Posted July 1, 2011 Ugh, way to go. Well guess we are waiting until the trading block or next year to be a Cup Contender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingzetter 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Maybe Kenny has someting up his sleeve regarding Ericsson. A sign and trade? Ah Kenny doesn't make trades. I'll come back to reality now. Lol I only wish he did Commodore doesn't prove your point. He's a defensive defenseman taking the 6th/7th spot. Like it or not, with Rafalski gone, Ericsson is one of the Wings best puck moving defenseman behind Lids and Kronwall. Stuart also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Kindl is better at moving the puck than Ericsson too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermind 363 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 I'm better at moving the puck than Ericsson too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Ericsson is very, very good at moving the puck. I've never seen so many crisp, clean, tape-to-tape passes to the other team's forwards before. 3 55fan, Holmstrom96 and ben_usmc reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him." That makes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Ericsson Kindl-Commodore Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement? Edited July 2, 2011 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) Lol. Datsyuk was known as a playoff bust and Kenny Holland re-signed him to that 7 year deal when the salary cap was really low. Kronwall didn't show his worth in his cap area either. Lots of angry LGWs fans. Similar to now... nothing's changed around here. Ericsson has shown he has great potential. He's had some very solid games and Babcock and Holland (Holland with the best scouting staff in the game) believe in him. I guess LGWs has more hockey intelligence than DRWs brass? I love comments like this. I suppose the J Williams and Modano signings were brilliant moves as well? Because pretty sure most Wings fans were pissed about both them, but Holland and Co. are all knowing..... It is ok to think for yourself on here... This defense is going to be hilarious to watch this year. Did we address any actual needs other than resigning Lidstrom? Edited July 2, 2011 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him." That makes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Ericsson Kindl-Commodore Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement? Looks more like Kronwall replaced him to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Lol I only wish he did Stuart also Stuart is a better overall D-man, but Ericsson has a better first pass than Stuart. Kindl is better at moving the puck than Ericsson too. No he isn't. 1 Drake_Marcus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 I'm still trying to make sense of this contract so I'll re-post here what I wrote in the Wiz thread (since this is probably the better place to put it anyway): Look at what everyone got this week. Ehrhoff, the playoff's worst +/- (-13), is going to make more money next season than Crosby. Leino, Laich and Fleischmann are signed to a cap hit of 4.5 million over the next 4-6 years. Jovocop had 14pts in 50 games last season... He's 35 years old and the Panthers signed him to a 4 year contract with a 4.125 million cap hit. Brewer was very solid for the Lightning in the playoffs he actually had a significant drop in offensive production after they got him from St. Louis (2pts in his 22 games with TB compared to 14 in 54 games in St. Louis). But did he deserve 3.85 million a season for 4 years? While I'd rather have Brewer on the Wings for that price, Ericsson's numbers are virtually identical to Brewer's but E's 5 years younger and trending upwards. Brewer's numbers have declined since his peak season in 06-07. Like I said-- if we're talking about next season in isolation I'd take Brewer over Ericsson. But Brewer will be 36 when his deal ends and Ericsson will be 30. I doubt at that point E will be the worse choice. Ericsson will have to get better to justify his contract by growing as a player. However, we can safely assume he's got a better shot to grow at this point than Brewer does (who's 32, declining and has 12 NHL seasons under his belt). When word filtered out that E's contract was worth 3.25 million it felt like a punch in the gut. Now that I've looked at the signings that went down so far I don't feel quite as bad. Frigging Barker was waived by Minny and bought out after posting 5pts and a -10 in 52 games last year but he got 2.25 million from Edmonton (yeah I know he scored 40pts once in Chicago but he's obviously not that player anymore... at least he wasn't that player in Minny!). I mean s***... a 37 year old Hamrlik got 3.5 mil a year for 2 years with Washington. How much tread could he possibly have left on his tires?!? Is Hamrlik going to get 2:33 mins of pp time per game in Washington? He got 15 of his 34 points on Montreal's PP. He'll have to get comparable time on Washington's pp to replicate those numbers. This year's cap increase really messed the market up (in my opinion). 1 Bolfenk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him." That makes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Ericsson Kindl-Commodore Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement? Rafalski was the second d-choice on the PP and we'll certainly see Kronwall moved into that role. Rafi didn't play a second on the PK while Ericsson certainly will. I don't think it's fair to say E is Rafi's replacement in any sense of the word. Ericsson's going to be the 4th d-man on the Wings where-as Rafi was the 2nd best offensive defenseman. The Wings will expect growth from Kronwall (a fair bet) as he shows whether he can be the legit #1 option on the PP and PK. There really wasn't a player of Rafi's offensive calibre on the UFA market his year. Rafi is certainly one of the best offensive defensemen to come out of the US. 2 55fan and Bolfenk reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Uh-oh, guys. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/mike_commodore_jumps_at_chance.html Babcock: "If he’s (Commodore) paired with (young) Jakub Kindl, he’ll help him." That makes... Lidstrom-Kronwall Stuart-Ericsson Kindl-Commodore Could our worst nightmare be true? Was Ericsson, indeed, Rafalski's replacement? Looks more like Kronwall replaced him to me. Exactly. In his own post he has Kronwall in the #2 spot. Talk about trying to stir s*** up. 1 Drake_Marcus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) If the current defence core doesn't play up to Holland's expectations I certainly expect Kenny will make a move or acquisition to rectify the problem. We should be happy Holland didn't sign Errorhoff to a 40 million dollar 10 year contract. Edited July 2, 2011 by Drake_Marcus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Rafalski was the second d-choice on the PP and we'll certainly see Kronwall moved into that role. Rafi didn't play a second on the PK while Ericsson certainly will. I don't think it's fair to say E is Rafi's replacement in any sense of the word. Ericsson's going to be the 4th d-man on the Wings where-as Rafi was the 2nd best offensive defenseman. The Wings will expect growth from Kronwall (a fair bet) as he shows whether he can be the legit #1 option on the PP and PK. There really wasn't a player of Rafi's offensive calibre on the UFA market his year. Rafi is certainly one of the best offensive defensemen to come out of the US. Very level-headed view of things, I like it. I don't like Ericsson's contract either, but with the way everything went down, it's right in line with the inflation seen across the UFA signings. I like us bringing in Commadore as he has a lot prove and will effectively take over Salei's spot and be much more aggressive (something this team has been missing since Fischer). I honestly do not feel that Holland is done looking at d-men via trade. I think he'll certainly look at Ian White and Anton Babchuk as options, relegating Kindl/Commadore to depth positions (competing for playing time). I also wouldn't be surprised with over 9 million in cap if Holland doesn't look at trade options as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites