VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 It is also very possible that holland is only saying this so that he still has the upper hand in trade/FA negotiations. He doesn't look/sound/come off as desperate and won't be taken advantage of. That is certainly possible. Holland could be blowing smoke up everyone's ass, he's done it before. But we can only judge things based on what has happened and the comments made. I'm sure Holland will be looking for another defenseman all summer. Hopefully he can find one. But given how they've always been high on Ericsson it wouldn't be too unusual for them to be doubling down on him and forcing him into a top spot for him to learn. I see a very similar situation to last year, where most of the defenders had similar minutes, so E might be seeing time with Lidstrom as a last ditch effort to make him learn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Ericsson's agent played this game well. Losing Rafalski put our defensive roster into crisis mode, and Salei leaving gives Holland more to look for in an already dry FA market. If Ericsson walks, half of our defensive core is gone and needs to be replaced and given the talent available, this is not the year to go down that road. Holland knew this and so did Ericsson's agent. If there were more defensive free agents, Ericsson doesn't average 3.25M. If Rafalksi doesn't retire, Ericsson doesn't average 3.25M. The ball was not in Holland's court with this one, and that is why Ericsson got what he got. Not because Holland is a loony or has some secret trade up his sleeve, or that Ericsson is expected to replace Rafalski. This is a matter of minimizing damage, and losing Ericsson (regardless of how he's bashed here) in addition to Rafalski and Salei would be devastating in this years' market. 3 haroldsnepsts, NeverForgetMac25 and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogeygolfer 4 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 It's only money if he's s*** and we need the cap space he can be demoted, but with the cap exploding that probably wont happen. There wasn't a better free agent D-man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,949 Report post Posted July 3, 2011 G.D. it Holland! A NTC!?!?! Does anyone know what the "Modified NTC" consists of? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted July 3, 2011 Sigh.... Like others have stated, Wings were in a bind... This only means we will be paying a lot more for potential contract extensions for Kronner and Stu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted July 3, 2011 I wouldnt be opposed to this if it was one year. but u dont know if were gunna have space like we do now in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted July 3, 2011 G.D. it Holland! A NTC!?!?! Does anyone know what the "Modified NTC" consists of? It means that, if the Wings want to trade him, Ericsson provides a list of (usually 10, sometimes 8, sometimes 12) teams that he will waive his NTC for. The goal of a modified NTC is to allow a player to have some say on where he will end up if he's traded while allowing for the team to have some 'auto' trade options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted July 6, 2011 "Well, I think if you'd looked at the market, and Jonathan Ericsson had (signed elsewhere), I think he would've gotten a much bigger raise than we gave him," he told Matt Shepard on WDFN-AM 1130 Detroit. "He's 27 years of age. He's 6-foot-5. If you look at defensemen, and there's guys around the league that, really – 29, 30, 31 ... defense is such a hard position – there's those guys that hit the league at 23, 24. They're probably going to be the superstars. "Jonathan Ericsson is still a work in progress, like most 27-year-old defensemen, and he's 6-foot-5." "It's all market-driven," he said of the free agent salaries. "As you saw, what happened from July 1 on, we had to make a decision in advance of July 1, and I think, based on what happened, we're pretty happy with that decision." http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/07/ken_holland_on_wdfn_red_wings_2.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted July 6, 2011 Basically Ericsson deserves this contract because he's 6-foot-5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted July 6, 2011 Basically Ericsson deserves this contract because he's 6-foot-5. Size always matters. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 6, 2011 Basically Ericsson deserves this contract because he's 6-foot-5. I was just going to post something like this. Holland mentioned it twice in that article, as if it mattered. Who gives a damn how big he is if he doesn't know how to play his position? 1 Heroes of Hockeytown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted July 7, 2011 Size always matters. No doubt, but not as much when you don't use it effectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 7, 2011 Ericsson's agent played this game well. Losing Rafalski put our defensive roster into crisis mode, and Salei leaving gives Holland more to look for in an already dry FA market. If Ericsson walks, half of our defensive core is gone and needs to be replaced and given the talent available, this is not the year to go down that road. Holland knew this and so did Ericsson's agent. If there were more defensive free agents, Ericsson doesn't average 3.25M. If Rafalksi doesn't retire, Ericsson doesn't average 3.25M. The ball was not in Holland's court with this one, and that is why Ericsson got what he got. Not because Holland is a loony or has some secret trade up his sleeve, or that Ericsson is expected to replace Rafalski. This is a matter of minimizing damage, and losing Ericsson (regardless of how he's bashed here) in addition to Rafalski and Salei would be devastating in this years' market. this post makes way too much sense to be in this thread or even on this site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 7, 2011 Betcha Ericsson has got photos of Holland wearing womens lingerie. And Vice Versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 The reaction to E's contract was very similar to the reaction of Datsyuk's, and we all know how that turned out. If you want a good laugh, I dug up some reactions when Datsyuk signed in '07... I still can't believe it.Luongo 6.5 million. Datsyuk 6.7 million. Which would you rather have? Holland is an idiot. Not only has he just absolutely _BRICKED_ Detroit's salary structure for the next 7 years but he's probably pissed of Zetterberg who signed a super low contract two seasons ago. 7 yr deal for $45 Mill............. DISGUSTINGI love Datysuk, but thats gotta be one of the most pathetic contracts every given out. It's not even that Datsyuk's unproven - he is a proven choker. Giving him this contract is like...giving Dan Cloutier a $6 million extension before he plays a single game for you one of the most ridiculous contracts I've ever seen ! Wow, what a horrible deal for the Wings. I wouldn't give him four million a year. He's extremely soft and his play in the playoffs is horrendous. I still can't understand the stupidity of Ken Holland; I mean I can understand it if he gives 6.5m+ for a short term 2yr deal with the player sacrificing stability for money. And getting him to sign a 7 year deal didn't even get him a discount like 5m or something.What the hell was he negotiating all this time? What cake to order for dessert after meetings? 7 Skeptikal, 55fan, hooon and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 That is great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest echos myron Report post Posted July 8, 2011 So LGW was full of drama queens then too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 So LGW was full of drama queens then too? Hey, LGW doesn't exist without drama queens. They help make the site money every time they attract attention and the advertisements load up. So don't knock the drama queens. They serve a purpose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 The reaction to E's contract was very similar to the reaction of Datsyuk's, and we all know how that turned out. If you want a good laugh, I dug up some reactions when Datsyuk signed in '07... You should find the reactions LGW had to the Kronwall contracts. That's definitely a better comparison than Datsyuk's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 The reactions to Kronwall were what prompted my screen name. I wasn't around when he signed the contract, but after he had a couple of booboos, people were so livid with Kenny for spending 3m/year on him. Inflation will continue. Contracts will keep edging higher. Ericsson is the next step. When Kronner and Stuie sign, it will be higher, and so on as people keep signing. With each contract, the numbers will get bigger. I used to work for $3.25/hr. Now I work for somewhere around $11. (Is it terrible that I don't know how much I make?) I am due for a raise this month. Each job has paid higher. Each job has increased over time. Ericsson's $3.25 hit will look like small potatoes for a player of his caliber by the end of it. True, he's overpaid now. I'm sure Jimmy's next contract will be much bigger as well. There will always be 1 yr/~$1m contracts to fill in the holes, but even those will become more on the over side of 1m than the under side. Some people will freak out no matter the numbers and no matter who the player. It's all relative to who the player is, what the numbers are, and who the person is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 8, 2011 The reaction to E's contract was very similar to the reaction of Datsyuk's, and we all know how that turned out. If you want a good laugh, I dug up some reactions when Datsyuk signed in '07... Do you remember the "Datsyuk or Hemsky?" thread from back then? I think Hemsky got most of the votes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 The reaction to E's contract was very similar to the reaction of Datsyuk's, and we all know how that turned out. If you want a good laugh, I dug up some reactions when Datsyuk signed in '07... A couple other gems: 7 years. Between 6-7 Million. Holy smokes!! i give up , kenny is gonna *** up this team's future cause of this deal , wtf is he thinkinggggggggggg no chance of us signing Bertuzzi now imho Wow , if we sign Datsyuk over bertuzzi , Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted July 9, 2011 Do you remember the "Datsyuk or Hemsky?" thread from back then? I think Hemsky got most of the votes. I'd still take Hemsky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 9, 2011 I'd still take Hemsky. I actually laughed at this. You're not very good at trolling! The reaction to E's contract was very similar to the reaction of Datsyuk's, and we all know how that turned out. If you want a good laugh, I dug up some reactions when Datsyuk signed in '07... Will you link me to that thread, please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted July 9, 2011 Will you link me to that thread, please? The quotes I posted are from this HFBoards thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
