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[VM1138]

I will ask again. Don't you think E could have made that much money on the open market?

And yeah, the difference between me and a lot of you on here is that I think he has the potential to be a solid defenseman. Especially with a good defensive coach hiring. The no-hope attitude about him on this thread is mind-boggling.

Maybe he could have. My point is we should have let another team overpay for him, we can find some lesser known defenseman who would be just as good for half the price.

[stinky fish taco]

3.25 mil isn't bad for a defenseman that will score less than 20 pts a year if he's solid defensively and great on the PK.

...ericsson is not.

at least he might be able to eat up minutes while staying out of the box?

...nope.

at least he has size, right?

...oh wait, he plays tiny.

so what does he bring to the table?

...i've got nothing.

[gcom007]

I will ask again. Don't you think E could have made that much money on the open market?

And yeah, the difference between me and a lot of you on here is that I think he has the potential to be a solid defenseman. Especially with a good defensive coach hiring. The no-hope attitude about him on this thread is mind-boggling.

When did caring what guys were worth on the open market ever get the Red Wings anywhere?

[Heaten]

Kronwall and Datsyuk were overpaid too. Kenny you mad man!!!!11

[Vladifan]

Maybe he could have. My point is we should have let another team overpay for him, we can find some lesser known defenseman who would be just as good for half the price.

Please name some of those guys who are available at half the price. Thanks.

Kronwall and Datsyuk were overpaid too. Kenny you mad man!!!!11

I've used up all my +'s , so here ya are.

+1

PERSPECTIVE, PLEASE?! PATIENCE, PLEASE?!

Yeah, yeah I know...lotsa luck on that one.

Whoa! Jagr to Philly! Buhby, Penguins' putz!

[Carman]

Great signing.

Norris Eric incoming.

[Vladifan]

When did caring what guys were worth on the open market ever get the Red Wings anywhere?

SOMEwhere there's got to be multiple examples of players overpaid for in trades that were total busts - that posters on this board were screaming for early on. Gimme a break....

I just wish I had a better sense of Wings' hockey history.

[gcom007]

Kronwall and Datsyuk were overpaid too. Kenny you mad man!!!!11

This is so profoundly off the mark, even if you take every slappy into account and double the amount of absurdity flying around back then.

Can you really not see the difference between a superstar like Datsyuk, a future number 1-2 defenseman in Kronwall and then Ericsson, a guy who's done nothing but struggle, play sloppy hockey and underperform on every front on his way to the number 5 spot?

[haroldsnepsts]

Maybe he could have. My point is we should have let another team overpay for him, we can find some lesser known defenseman who would be just as good for half the price.

Like?

[Heaten]

This is so profoundly off the mark, even if you take every slappy into account and double the amount of absurdity flying around back then.

Can you really not see the difference between a superstar like Datsyuk, a future number 1-2 defenseman in Kronwall and then Ericsson, a guy who's done nothing but struggle, play sloppy hockey and underperform on every front on his way to the number 5 spot?

So what you are saying is it's absurd for anyone to think Ericsson will ever become the caliber of player as a Datsyuk? Well...duh! Lol.

People were outraged at Datsyuk and Kronwall's contract at first, now they are playing above their potential, that's the point.

Ericsson will never be more than a #3 guy at best. But he will become a solid #4 and may even QB the 2nd unit on the PP in the near distant future. $3.25 is a bargain (in this current salary cap world) for a #4, potentially a future #3.

27 is young for a defenseman, people act like he's on the downside of his aging career. Lidstrom didn't even peak till age 30. Chara didn't even start putting it together til his 6th or 7th year in the NHL. Ericsson has played 2 seasons.

You act like everyone knew Kronwall was going to be a future 1-2 dman. It was projected, but nobody on LGWs believed it. NOBODY! - The forum was outraged.

Edited by Heaten, 01 July 2011 - 12:47 PM.

[Vladifan]

Like?

+1

I'm still waiting for an answer to the same question.

[Heaten]

Like?

Lilja derp.derp

[haroldsnepsts]

Lilja derp.derp

Just signed with the Flyers.

[gcom007]

So what you are saying is it's absurd for anyone to think Ericsson will ever become the caliber of player as a Datsyuk? Well...duh! Lol.

People were outraged at Datsyuk and Kronwall's contract at first, now they are playing above their potential, that's the point.

Ericsson will never be more than a #3 guy at best. But he will become a solid #4 and may even QB the 2nd unit on the PP in the near distant future. $3.25 is a bargain (in this current salary cap world) for a #4, potentially a future #3.

27 is young for a defenseman, people act like he's on the downside of his aging career. Lidstrom didn't even peak till age 30. Chara didn't even start putting it together til his 6th or 7th year in the NHL. Ericsson has played 2 seasons.

You act like everyone knew Kronwall was going to be a future 1-2 dman. It was projected, but nobody on LGWs believed it. NOBODY! - The forum was outraged.

Datsyuk and Kronwall both had done more to earn their pay day. They had leverage in their negotiations based on their performance AND their potential. Ericsson has surrendered leverage to Holland because of his poor performance and is getting a payday based solely on the hope that he might live up to some potential and maybe give them reason to think that he's not just a 5-6 defenseman. He will never be a #4 guy if he doesn't seriously improve his mental game and thus far, he has done nothing to suggest he'll magically get it together.

I don't know if you're just a big Ericsson fan, but you just seem incredibly biased here. You're bring all these other names into it but ignoring that while they were young, they actually were well on their way to performing at a level demonstrative of their potential. Ericsson hasn't come anywhere remotely close to doing that since joining this team as a regular. He's done nothing but struggle.

Now I full admit that I think he does have potential and I think he still has a chance to live up to it, but I think this signing is completely out of characteristic for the Wings and sets a terrible precedent. Better players have walked for less in years past. If E wasn't willing to take $1.8-2 million to be a Red Wing, Holland should have let him walk.

Holland should have made Howard the bar especially after his outstanding playoff performance. Howard's your starting goalie and he took a team-first contract, signing for less to stay and in return getting a chance to prove himself on an elite club. That's exactly what should have been put on the table for Ericsson. I would be 100% fine with a deal like that. And that's generous considering even with Howard's struggles, he's still had far more positive moments than negatives thus far in his career.

But a 3-year deal worth almost $10 million? That's just a stupid deal for the Detroit Red Wings. They never cared about the open market and it's served them well. If you're not willing to play ball within the system, go find a payday somewhere else. Better, more proven players have left for less than Ericsson signed for, even proportional to the changing cap. That's why this deal is a joke. It's less about Ericsson and more about setting terrible precedents.

[Wingnut in WA]

The Detroit RedWings. We don't overspend on other peoples free agents, just our own!

[VM1138]

Like?

No idea. Thus the "lesser known" part of the equation. There are hundreds of defensemen in the league, are there not? THere's got to be someone out there who will play for 1.8, take penalties, hardly score and make bad defensive decisions.

[haroldsnepsts]

No idea. Thus the "lesser known" part of the equation. There are hundreds of defensemen in the league, are there not? THere's got to be someone out there who will play for 1.8, take penalties, hardly score and make bad defensive decisions.

There isn't.

He doesn't exist. If he did, Ericsson would not have gotten what he did.

[Heaten]

Datsyuk and Kronwall both had done more to earn their pay day.

.....

[/snip]

Lol. Datsyuk was known as a playoff bust and Kenny Holland re-signed him to that 7 year deal when the salary cap was really low. Kronwall didn't show his worth in his cap area either. Lots of angry LGWs fans. Similar to now... nothing's changed around here.

Ericsson has shown he has great potential. He's had some very solid games and Babcock and Holland (Holland with the best scouting staff in the game) believe in him. I guess LGWs has more hockey intelligence than DRWs brass?

[ogreslayer]

Now seeing Jovo sign for 4 years/$16.5m in Florida, I have to say that I'm starting to feel that maybe Kenny didn't do all that bad with Big E by comparison. Shocking, I know....

[Vladifan]

There isn't.

He doesn't exist. If he did, Ericsson would not have gotten what he did.

Meanwhile, I love some of the recent "minuses" in this thread. No serious rebuttal or points to be made to logical questions or fact-based statements. Just the big ol' minus. Got yer toys collected? I'd hate to think you'd lose any going home. Yeeeeeeeeeahhhh......

Edited by Vladifan, 01 July 2011 - 02:02 PM.