Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 It'll take: Filpulla / Helm / Smith / Nyquists + two 1st round draft picks to get them to listen. Would you give that up? Probably not quite that much, but I could see the bolded being the actual deal. And it's a lot, but you're right in that such players take a lot to acquire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 no way smith goes with 2 first rounders and fil. smith is worth one of those. i think Fil, Kindl 2 first rounders is more reasonable. Fil, Kindl, Nyquist, 1st rounder, 3rd rounder Fil, Hudler, Kindl, 1st rounder Anyone who says fil and kindl are scraps are complete idiots. i would also explore: Abby, Hudler, Ericsson + a pick. Fil, Hudler, Ericsson straight up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agalloch93 28 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 It'll take: Filpulla / Helm / Smith / Nyquists + two 1st round draft picks to get them to listen. Would you give that up? Don't be ridiculous, it would not cost nearly that much. Why are there two extremes in this thread? You have people that think Emmerton, Hudler, and a 3rd is enough, and the people that think it requires 4 top prospects, 2 firsts, and two good roster players? Come on guys, it's not that hard, use the Burns trade to guide you along. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 2, 2011 no way smith goes with 2 first rounders and fil. smith is worth one of those. i think Fil, Kindl 2 first rounders is more reasonable. Fil, Kindl, Nyquist, 1st rounder, 3rd rounder Fil, Hudler, Kindl, 1st rounder Anyone who says fil and kindl are scraps are complete idiots. i would also explore: Abby, Hudler, Ericsson + a pick. Fil, Hudler, Ericsson straight up. I doubt Kindl will be acceptable to the 'Yotes. It will have to be Smith. Sharks had to throw Charlie Coyle to the Wild to get burns, Coyle is a helluva good looking prospect... Smith caliber prospect, imo. Setoguchi is a much better scorer (younger) with more upside than Filpulla. To make up for that, Holland would have to throw Helm in the mix. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Don't be ridiculous, it would not cost nearly that much. Why are there two extremes in this thread? You have people that think Emmerton, Hudler, and a 3rd is enough, and the people that think it requires 4 top prospects, 2 firsts, and two good roster players? Come on guys, it's not that hard, use the Burns trade to guide you along. THIS. its gonna take one key piece like Fil or Franzen, a high end prospect (kindl or nyquist), and a first rounder. personally id add hudler to the bunch and thats a good deal. I doubt Kindl will be acceptable to the 'Yotes. It will have to be Smith. Sharks had to throw Charlie Coyle to the Wild to get burns, Coyle is a helluva good looking prospect... Smith caliber prospect, imo. Setoguchi is a much better scorer (younger) with more upside than Filpulla. To make up for that, Holland would have to throw Helm in the mix. so helm is definitely not on the table in the context you put. i could see abby added but not helm. helm is a very special player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Don't be ridiculous, it would not cost nearly that much. Why are there two extremes in this thread? You have people that think Emmerton, Hudler, and a 3rd is enough, and the people that think it requires 4 top prospects, 2 firsts, and two good roster players? Come on guys, it's not that hard, use the Burns trade to guide you along. Read above. People are overrating Filpulla. He's not even a 20 goal scorer. His return isn't THAT great. Setoguchi just signed to a great contract and is MUCH younger than Flip. Flip's contract is overpaid in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 People gotta realize that he isnt signed to a contract at all either. That will lower his value for sure, unlike the Burns trade where Burns is locked into a contract with a very low cap hit for the next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanZ 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 If Holland isn't going to get a defenseman through free agency, and isn't going to get a defenseman through trade, how the hell is he going to get a defenseman for next season? Does he not realize that signing/acquiring players isn't free? He has to give up something to get something damnit. I respect Holland for all he has done but this is getting frustrating. I sincerely hope that he is making an offer for Yandle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDangles122 16 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Hudler + Kindl + first rounder for Bogosian. Hudler + Filp + Kindl for Yandle Seeing this, I'd rather have Bogosian as he has more potential and will definitely be cheaper than Yandle. Would leave us ample space to grab Gagne for $3-4M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Actually, I don't think Phoenix would have much interest in Phoenix. They're set on 2nd line Cs. Smith, Sheahan, Nyquist, 1st, 2nd for Yandle. Hudler and a low pick instead of the 2nd if they want him. There's my offer, take it or leave it, Yotes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agalloch93 28 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Read above. People are overrating Filpulla. He's not even a 20 goal scorer. His return isn't THAT great. Setoguchi just signed to a great contract and is MUCH younger than Flip. Flip's contract is overpaid in comparison. Setoguchi is also a liability defensively while Filppula is fantastic. Filppula also only scored 6 less goals than Setoguchi last year, and only 2 less points despite playing in less games. Setoguchi is incredibly overrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) Read above. People are overrating Filpulla. He's not even a 20 goal scorer. His return isn't THAT great. Setoguchi just signed to a great contract and is MUCH younger than Flip. Flip's contract is overpaid in comparison. Filppula isn't even 3 years older than Setoguchi, so I wouldn't exactly consider that MUCH older. They also have the same $3M cap hit and put up almost identical point totals. Setoguchi also played with Thornton, which should inflate his numbers, while Filppula spent much less time playing with elite players (Dats and Z). And if you factor in that defensively sound centers are more valuable than wingers, I would say Setoguchi isn't much more valuable than Flip, if at all. Edit: To tie the Seto-Flip comparison into a possible Yandle trade, I think you have to consider what the other team needs. Minnesota already had a good center in Koivu and they were looking for a scoring winger for him, so in that case they would definitely prefer Seto over Flip. In Phoenix's case, they need centers so I would say Flip would about as valuable to them as Seto is to Minnesota. I think the Burns trade is a good one to base a Yandle trade on, and they would probably want Flip + Smith + 1st. Edited July 2, 2011 by hockey23 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) It'll take: Filpulla / Helm / Smith / Nyquists + two 1st round draft picks to get them to listen. Would you give that up? It won't take that much. Also, learn to spell Filppula's name correctly, please. Edited July 2, 2011 by Doc Holliday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 2, 2011 It won't take that much. Also, learn to spell Filppula's name correctly, please. There's no snowball chance in hell it'll ever happen anyway. Filpulla...... 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agalloch93 28 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 If they are truly shopping him it could definitely happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Yeah, but four firsts might be the cost... Again, a cost I am willing to pay. Most everything we have on the team came without the use of first round picks. I don't think It'll be that much. I'm thinking more like a 1st, 2nd/3rd (either or), and another conditional pick in a later draft. As far as players go, with Turris and Boedker still high in the system, I would have to imagine they'd ask for Brendan Smith or Jakub Kindl over Sheahan or Nyquist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 2, 2011 If they are truly shopping him it could definitely happen. *If* they are truly shopping him, there are two dozen teams out there that can offer a whole helluva lot better than Filpulla + Kindl + Abdelkader and a 1st... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 According to HF, Phoenix is pretty strong in defensive prospects. They have 6 defenseman signed now, and if they lost Yandle could easily plug in Ekman-Larsson or go after one of the remaining FAs. They're weak in forward prospects, especially center (which we have a lot of). Very much like the situation in Minnesota. That most likely means they wouldn't be interested in Smith or Kindl. They might be interested in Stuart, and I wouldn't hate that move, but more likely they'd want scorers. Flip would be a good start; Hanzal is their best (only?) center right now. Turris if they resign him is pretty good. But Flip would have a good chance of being their top-line center. Then I think we'd have to add one top prospect, plus another decent prospect, plus a couple picks; maybe 2 1sts or a 1st and 2nd. Abby could be attractive to them, but leaves us thin at center (haven't looked at what FAs are still around, but may be a hole we could fill). Emmerton and Andersson are probably not good enough to draw much interest, but maybe as a throw-in. Tatar probably fits best for them, but some of our other top forwards would work. No, I doubt they'd have any interest in Hudler...they have decent wingers as it is. So...Flip, Tatar, Andersson, 2-1sts? Flip, Abby, Emmerton, 2-1sts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agalloch93 28 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 *If* they are truly shopping him, there are two dozen teams out there that can offer a whole helluva lot better than Filpulla + Kindl + Abdelkader and a 1st... Yeah, including the Red Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Yeah, including the Red Wings. Which would have to include Filpulla / Helm / Nyquist / Smith + 2 first round picks instead of Abby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agalloch93 28 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Which would have to include Filpulla / Helm / Nyquist / Smith + 2 first round picks instead of Abby Sigh, sorry, but I really don't think you understand how to value players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 If Yandle is available I think Detroit should actively pursue him but I have a hard time seeing Phoenix accepting a trade that they would find beneficial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 I wouldn't at all be afraid to throw Jurco in as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heaten Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Sigh, sorry, but I really don't think you understand how to value players. Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you... How often does a defensmen like a young Keith Yandle become available? He's a franchise player, a player you build a team around.... Filpulla is a type of player you can find twice a year, if not more. Kindl is a dman that got beat out by Salei... Smith, while a good looking prospect, is just that, a prospect. He wasn't even the best defensemen on the Griffins', let alone the best player on the AHL Griffins. He has a ways to go before he can even crack the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted July 2, 2011 Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you... How often does a defensmen like a young Keith Yandle become available? He's a franchise player, a player you build a team around.... Filpulla is a type of player you can find twice a year, if not more. Kindl is a dman that got beat out by Salei... Smith, while a good looking prospect, is just that, a prospect. He wasn't even the best defensemen on the Griffins', let alone the best player on the AHL Griffins. He has a ways to go before he can even crack the NHL. Wasn't the best Dman on the Griffs?!?!?! He only had 12 goals 20 assists in 63 games and was plus 7 on a horrible team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
