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[Agalloch93]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you...

How often does a defensmen like a young Keith Yandle become available? He's a franchise player, a player you build a team around....

Filpulla is a type of player you can find twice a year, if not more.

Kindl is a dman that got beat out by Salei...

Smith, while a good looking prospect, is just that, a prospect. He wasn't even the best defensemen on the Griffins', let alone the best player on the AHL Griffins. He has a ways to go before he can even crack the NHL.

This post is incredible in such a horrible way. There is literally not one correct thing about it.

[Heaten]

Wasn't the best Dman on the Griffs?!?!?! He only had 12 goals 20 assists in 63 games and was plus 7 on a horrible team...

You didn't go to any games I see...

Smith looked average at best (and a liability defensively). Actually, the only time I really noticed him was when he was going to the penalty box. Meech was the best dman on the team. He stood out in all areas.

Try watching a game before acting like you know what you're talking about...

Ericsson was a 2nd best +/- stats among dmen on the red wings last year, by your logic he was the 2nd best dman on the team ahead of kronwall, Lidstrom, Stuart and Salei...

:facepalm:

EDIT:

Looks like Holland isn't in the running for Yandle anyhow, he just signed Ian White and has a full roster on D.

This post is incredible in such a horrible way. There is literally not one correct thing about it.

You are kidding yourself if you think Yandle isn't a player to build a team around. He's af****** stud... and he's only 24.

Edited by Heaten, 02 July 2011 - 03:55 PM.

[Drake_Marcus]

Looks like Holland isn't in the running for Yandle anyhow, he just signed Ian White and has a full roster on D.

White's perfect insurance if he doesn't get Yandle. The White signing doesn't tell us anything about Yandle. If he signs Yandle, Kindl is gone and Commie is a 1 mil 7th d-man (which is very reasonable).

[VM1138]

You are kidding yourself if you think Yandle isn't a player to build a team around. He's af****** stud... and he's only 24.

He is, for sure. I wouldn't mind giving up Flip for him, either, but your previous assessment of Smith and Filpulla are just incorrect, I think.

Which would have to include Filpulla / Helm / Nyquist / Smith + 2 first round picks instead of Abby

I understand that the Wings will have to give up somethign to get a talent like Yandle, but as good as Yandle is and could be, he's no Hasek or Lidstrom, why on Earth would any team give up that much for him? I can see two players and a pick. I can see maybe three players, but not four players and two first round picks.

[Heaten]

He is, for sure. I wouldn't mind giving up Flip for him, either, but your previous assessment of Smith and Filpulla are just incorrect, I think.

I don't think Holland is even in the running for Yandle. And if he was, there are 20 other teams that have more to offer than most of these trade offers I see. The only way Holland can make this trade competitive is including good prospects (Smith) and special NHLers (Helm). Filpulla is great, but he's not special. And his contract isn't a bargain for what he brings to the table...

Remember what Minny got for Burns (and I think Yandle is a superior dman to Burns), Coyle is a compatible prospect to Smith.

I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

'Yotes don't want garbage or DRWs rejects.

[Never_Retire_Steve]

Well the White signing definitely puts even further doubt of the Wings acquiring Yandle

[Zetts]

I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

That's not really how it works. Why are you even mentioning the round in which roster players were drafted?

If that mattered, then Kronwall (1st round), Lidstrom (3rd round), Zetterberg (7th round) and Datsyuk (6th round) combined wouldn't be enough to match those magical 4 first round picks.

Edit: My personal opinion is that Fil and 2 1st rounders should do it. Maybe also a mid-level prospect. That is IF the Coyotes actually wanted to trade him.

Edited by Zetts, 02 July 2011 - 06:02 PM.

[Never_Retire_Steve]

After the White discussion I'm not so sure this is even a relevant discussion

[Crashnburnluder]

I know it seems since we have 7 D that Yandle is out if the question buy Ericsson or Kindl could be part if a trade... You never know... To replace the D in their line up that they are losing...

[whitewolf406]

A few summary points to this discussion;

1. YES, Yandle would make perfect sense for this team long term.
2. YES, Holland can put together a package that would make sense for both teams.

3. YES, Our biggest problem to any of this may very well be the man(men) behind the curtain who are running the show in the desert. Who or whom are actually running the team(Bettman, BOG?) and with the current situation(staying, going?) just what exactly is the motive they're using.

They could what the best all out team that can compete for the cup asap(fans choice). A competitive team with a fair amount of prospects(potential buyers choice) or something else completely. I just don't see Bettman or the BOG giving us the next possible Lindstrom for around fair market value. This is the situation that would worry me the most in term of mischief considering the league still owns the team.

[hockey23]

A few summary points to this discussion;

1. YES, Yandle would make perfect sense for this team long term.
2. YES, Holland can put together a package that would make sense for both teams.

3. YES, Our biggest problem to any of this may very well be the man(men) behind the curtain who are running the show in the desert. Who or whom are actually running the team(Bettman, BOG?) and with the current situation(staying, going?) just what exactly is the motive they're using.

They could what the best all out team that can compete for the cup asap(fans choice). A competitive team with a fair amount of prospects(potential buyers choice) or something else completely. I just don't see Bettman or the BOG giving us the next possible Lindstrom for around fair market value. This is the situation that would worry me the most in term of mischief considering the league still owns the team.

You better have a good excuse

Edited by hockey23, 03 July 2011 - 02:00 AM.

[Heaten]

Word out on the street is Coyotes are looking for a #1 center. Not a #2, not a #3, but a #1.

Unless Franzen can play center, Wings don't have what they need.

EDIT:

I'd imagine Chicago will be big players for Yandle. They can offer a 30+ goal scoring center in Patrick Sharp + some blue chip prospects.

Edited by Heaten, 03 July 2011 - 02:30 AM.

[Finnish Wing]

Hudler, Kindl and a 1st for Yandle's RFA rights if the Yotes feel they can't get him signed.

[dawings1905]

Word out on the street is Coyotes are looking for a #1 center. Not a #2, not a #3, but a #1.

Unless Franzen can play center, Wings don't have what they need.

EDIT:

I'd imagine Chicago will be big players for Yandle. They can offer a 30+ goal scoring center in Patrick Sharp + some blue chip prospects.

Source? Or are we talking about you and your neighbor talking out by your mailboxes as the "word on the streets"? Unless you provide a source, then "word on the streets" is garbage. IMO.

Not to mention what you are looking for, and what you get, are two different things. When I buy a powerball ticket I am looking to become a millionaire, but what I usually get is either nothing, or an 8 dollar winner. Just sayin.....

Edited by dawings1905, 03 July 2011 - 07:44 AM.

[Heaten]

Hudler, Kindl and a 1st for Yandle's RFA rights if the Yotes feel they can't get him signed.

Lol?


EDIT:

If I was a gambling man, I'd put money on the Blackhawks acquiring Yandle if he's moved. They have a hole left by Campbell and have a lot more to offer in terms of assets.

Edited by Heaten, 03 July 2011 - 11:10 AM.

[Finnish Wing]

Lol?

I am quite serious. IF the situation is that Coyotes can't get him signed they'll likely try to move his rights. They're still rights anyway, so they can't expect getting too much out of it. Coyotes are reportedly looking for an offensive center and Hudler could have potential for that. Kindl is a promising two-way defender which every team in the league could probably use.

[newfy]

Hudler, Kindl and a 1st for Yandle's RFA rights if the Yotes feel they can't get him signed.

Switch Hudler with Filppula and I think that could probably get the deal done. I just dont see Hudler having the trade value at all. Maybe you throw Flip and Hudler and get an ok prospect or something back as well.

[Heaten]

I am quite serious. IF the situation is that Coyotes can't get him signed they'll likely try to move his rights. They're still rights anyway, so they can't expect getting too much out of it. Coyotes are reportedly looking for an offensive center and Hudler could have potential for that. Kindl is a promising two-way defender which every team in the league could probably use.

I like your optimism, but never gonna happen. Coyotes can get a far better deal than our scraps and late round 1st pick. There are 28 other teams in the NHL, ya know...

Holland couldn't even get rid of Hudler for a freakin' draft pick... Now you expect him to land Keithf****** Yandle? Thanks for the laugh.

[mmamolo]

I don't think Holland is even in the running for Yandle. And if he was, there are 20 other teams that have more to offer than most of these trade offers I see. The only way Holland can make this trade competitive is including good prospects (Smith) and special NHLers (Helm). Filpulla is great, but he's not special. And his contract isn't a bargain for what he brings to the table...

Remember what Minny got for Burns (and I think Yandle is a superior dman to Burns), Coyle is a compatible prospect to Smith.

I think anything less than Filpulla + Helm + Smith + a 1st round pick, 'Yotes would laugh in Holland's face. Yandle is worth four 1st round picks. Holland is giving up on two 1st round picks and a late 3rd (Filpulla) and a 5th (Helm).

'Yotes don't want garbage or DRWs rejects.

I don't understand how on one hand you can say that the Minny trade should be used as a comparison and then shoot down people's suggestions of Smith, Fil, and a 1st. Since you think Yandle is better than Burns there would be no pick coming back as there was in the SJ/MINN deal.

This whole thread has been ridiculous. Everyone keeps freaking out and saying Holland couldn't even trade Hudler for a pick or that the Wings don't have the assets to make a Yandle deal happen. First, you have no clue what Holland was asking in exchange for Hudler. For all we know Holland wanted a roster player back and teams were unwilling to go that route or trade a roster player the caliber of what Holland was asking for. So before you continue to freak that Hudler wasn't dealt you should consider the fact that the Wings don't overpay in free agency and they do not give roster players away unless the return is greater than what they're shipping out. Secondly, the Wings would have just as good a shot at landing Yandle as any other team. You can't compare some of the trade proposals in this thread with what other teams could include a deal. You dont know that those teams would be willing to include better/more pieces. If Yandle is going to be traded the Wings will set their limits (in terms of what could be sent the other way) and if Phoenix wants more than the Wings will pass.

[Finnish Wing]

Switch Hudler with Filppula and I think that could probably get the deal done. I just dont see Hudler having the trade value at all. Maybe you throw Flip and Hudler and get an ok prospect or something back as well.

The bottom line is we need to get rid of a d-man if we go after Yandle, so that's why Kindl is there. I'm ok with Filppula. Though I'd like moving Franzen more. Hudler could take Franzen's role, but neither of those guys have the defensive abilities Filppula has.