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#21 gcom007

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 07:02 PM

“We like our team, but we’re ready to make another move or two—whether it’s a signing or a trade—to make our team better this summer,” Holland said.

http://www.kuklaskor...-up_goaltender/

He's not going to say "Damn we're in need of a top-tier d-man that I hope to get via trade." You know... because he doesn't want to get rail-roaded by the team he wants to trade with.


Yep.

I still don't like the Ericsson deal at all, but I like the White deal a lot and I'm at least neutral on the Commodore deal all things considered. The defensive coach is probably more important right now if we end up not making any more moves this summer.

And of course, I'm very happy with getting Eaves and Miller signed up again for a bit here. I think Eaves has a lot of untapped potential that we've yet to fully see. I'm thinking this year Hudler will be out of the way more one way or another (via trade or he simply won't get any benefit of the doubt if he doesn't produce...) and that could translate to a real opportunity for Eaves to jump up and make an impact. He's got some solid skill, a terrific work ethic and he's tough to play against on every shift. I could see him turning into a Dan Cleary type of guy in terms of development. And with Miller, he's got skill too and he proved that he can contribute last year despite being really frustrated, so hopefully he goes out and makes a splash this year. Those two deals are rock solid.

I'm expecting Osgood back at this point. They wouldn't do it if there were still serious concerns about his health, so I'm fine with it. I tend to think it wasn't nearly as big of an issue as it appeared so much as he was just pushing it too fast and too soon to try and get back when Howard was struggling. If Osgood can play, I don't think there's a better option because he's still a great mentor to Howard and you know he'll be dirt cheap and bring zero locker room issues. If Howard hadn't had such a strong playoff outing, I'd rather see them take a (huge) chance on signing Emery (into the Lidstrom school of Obedience, Discipline and Composure). But between the option of say Conklin and a healthy Osgood, I'd prefer Osgood.

As far as future deals this summer, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sure Holland would like to make a move or two and will try to, but I'm not holding my breath. He's definitely not going to shout it to the heavens either way. I think he'll make a deal at some point though to improve the defense and perhaps even the offense, but I think it'll come in the November-December time-frame when a few teams start pulling out of the playoff race. He'll try to get in before there's all the deadline demand playing into things. He's got Hudler, Flip and E that he can afford to move if you ask me. Huds is all but worthless, E has a "rest of the NHL-friendly" contract and Flip would simply be a great addition to any team lacking disciplined, solid two-way centers.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 07:22 PM

Like I said before, if he somehow acquires Yandle, the Wings are instantly the favorites for the Cup again.

Lidstrom - White
Yandle - Kronwall
Stuart - Ericsson
Commodore

That's ridiculous.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 07:37 PM

You do know, the same people that ***** every year about the Wings spending up to the cap & not leaving room for trades at the deadline will be the same ones bitching if Kenny doesn't spend up to the cap before the start of training camp. At this point, I'm happy rolling with this roster into the season & see what opens up on the trade front until the deadline. No need to rush imo.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 07:41 PM

Reasons i'm optimistic:
I like the projected edge our D can now bring. With the exception of Lidstrom, every defensman is capable and likely to punish you at every opportunity.
The offense was 2nd last season, I don't see that big a drop off next year provided our new coaching staff can revamp the system we've been using since Bowman.
I do hope and expect to see Howard feed off his playoff performance and improve his regular season numbers.


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Posted 04 July 2011 - 08:12 PM

You do know, the same people that ***** every year about the Wings spending up to the cap & not leaving room for trades at the deadline will be the same ones bitching if Kenny doesn't spend up to the cap before the start of training camp. At this point, I'm happy rolling with this roster into the season & see what opens up on the trade front until the deadline. No need to rush imo.

There's no reason to leave $7M for the trade deadline. $3M is plenty so we basically will have $4M to sign a backup and make another move.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 09:22 PM

There's no reason to leave $7M for the trade deadline. $3M is plenty so we basically will have $4M to sign a backup and make another move.


No reason to spend it just to spend it either. The Wings are obviously not opposed to spending up to the cap, but they're not just going to sign guys just to sign them. It makes no sense. There's no way we sign anyone new at this point sans a backup goalie at what will likely be less than $1 million.

At this point, signing anyone else means more press box rotation for guys who shouldn't be in the press box. If anything is to happen, I'd expect that we'll see a package that sends Flip, Hudler, a defenseman (probably Ericsson) plus picks out for a 2nd/3rd line forward and a bonafide top-4 defenseman. I don't see Hudler getting dealt outside of a package with someone actually valuable like Flip. I just can't imagine Hudler/Ericsson/picks would be enticing enough for anyone to move a legit top-4 defenseman. You need someone who's proven to be a valuable asset to get anything of value and the only guy we have like that that's tradable is Flip.

I don't like speculating too much on this stuff though, and I honestly don't really think much if anything will happen. Holland's proven himself to be more cautious with trades lately and while our defense is far from perfect, it's got plenty of potential. In my mind, nothing is going to happen if it doesn't make all the sense in the world to Holland. That won't be easy.
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 09:39 PM

Thanks. I'm hoping we'll see Holland trade for Yandle. He's welcome to trade almost anyone for him. Yandle's going to be a stud for another decade. :thumbup:


Yes, though he'll need to issue a formal apology to Hank first!

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 10:05 PM

idk what young top defense men are rfa/ufa next year but i think holland needs to try to grab one of the few that are up for grabs right now.

if he tries to trade for one of them next year its going to cost them an arm and a leg

I'm looking forward to:
Ryan Suter, NAS

Depending on arbitration (maybe):
Keith Yandle - QUE (PHX)
Drew Doughtry - LAK
Shea Weber - NAS

I'm know there's a couple big one's I'm forgetting but I'm not about to spend the hour it would take to look it up on an edge network, lol.
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Posted 04 July 2011 - 10:19 PM

I'm looking forward to:
Ryan Suter, NAS

Depending on arbitration (maybe):
Keith Yandle - QUE (PHX)
Drew Doughtry - LAK
Shea Weber - NAS

I'm know there's a couple big one's I'm forgetting but I'm not about to spend the hour it would take to look it up on an edge network, lol.


Doughty is not eligible for arbitration this season.

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Posted 04 July 2011 - 11:36 PM

Seeing Mursak as a reserve while Miller starts, shudder.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:35 AM

Seeing Mursak as a reserve while Miller starts, shudder.


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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:34 AM

Just imagine how Holland would've handled this if Rafalski was still on the payroll for next season.

Edited by Bambino Lino, 05 July 2011 - 02:43 AM.


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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:36 AM

Just imagine how Holland would've handled this is Rafalski was still on the payroll for next season.


I imagine that it would have been a much easier situation for him. Beyond that, I don't know what you're implying.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:46 AM

I imagine that it would have been a much easier situation for him. Beyond that, I don't know what you're implying.


Well.. what I meant by that was, if Rafalski was still on the team, does Holland make any moves at all? Ian White probably doesn't come here but there were still needs that this team had even with Rafalski.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:51 AM

No reason to spend it just to spend it either. The Wings are obviously not opposed to spending up to the cap, but they're not just going to sign guys just to sign them. It makes no sense. There's no way we sign anyone new at this point sans a backup goalie at what will likely be less than $1 million.

At this point, signing anyone else means more press box rotation for guys who shouldn't be in the press box. If anything is to happen, I'd expect that we'll see a package that sends Flip, Hudler, a defenseman (probably Ericsson) plus picks out for a 2nd/3rd line forward and a bonafide top-4 defenseman. I don't see Hudler getting dealt outside of a package with someone actually valuable like Flip. I just can't imagine Hudler/Ericsson/picks would be enticing enough for anyone to move a legit top-4 defenseman. You need someone who's proven to be a valuable asset to get anything of value and the only guy we have like that that's tradable is Flip.

I don't like speculating too much on this stuff though, and I honestly don't really think much if anything will happen. Holland's proven himself to be more cautious with trades lately and while our defense is far from perfect, it's got plenty of potential. In my mind, nothing is going to happen if it doesn't make all the sense in the world to Holland. That won't be easy.



Actually I would say depending on the pick that would be enough. Our dmen are overrated through out the league. Think about it Holland most likely signed Ericsson for what other teams were offering, not to mention the pay day Lebda got, and even Quincy got love out in LA and CO. So if you gave Hudler (who sucks now, but has proven he can play) and a defenseman who some think could be a top 4 (yes they are crazy), plus a 2nd or 1st you could probably get something decent.

Also as far as the cap space, I'd rather see a trade of one of our depth players and gain from a team trying to shed money. We eat up some cap space and gain some hopefully muscle. I also would like to see Conklin as our back up.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:00 AM

Well.. what I meant by that was, if Rafalski was still on the team, does Holland make any moves at all? Ian White probably doesn't come here but there were still needs that this team had even with Rafalski.


It's impossible to say, but I imagine that yes, White probably still would have been pursued by Holland. His asking price was not high.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 07:27 AM

Holland still fielding trades options....

http://detnews.com/a...0335/1128/rss16

Holland said teams continue to call the Wings about possible trades.


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Posted 05 July 2011 - 07:37 AM

I'm looking forward to:
Ryan Suter, NAS

Depending on arbitration (maybe):
Keith Yandle - QUE (PHX)
Drew Doughtry - LAK
Shea Weber - NAS

I'm know there's a couple big one's I'm forgetting but I'm not about to spend the hour it would take to look it up on an edge network, lol.


Add another interesting name to the list of RFA possibilities:

Marc-Andre Gragnani (24 yrs old, pt/g player in AHL and put 7pts up in 7 games in the playoffs for the Sabres this year)
Buffalo only has $354,643 in cap space right now and still has to fill their back-up goaltender spot as well as allow room for a call-up on defence (only 6 D-men signed).

Gragnani looks like he'll be a stud and Buffalo will have to figure something out to sign him.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 07:51 AM

He's correct, as long as "the people we have" play to the level of expectation of the organization.
Gragnani would be a great addition.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 07:56 AM

Andrej Sekera is in the same boat as Gragnani at Buffalo.
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