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#1 edicius

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 09:51 AM

Huh.

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That said, I'm kind of glad we didn't get him. I get the feeling he wouldn't take kindly to clearly being a backup to Jimmy and we don't need to go back to the days of goaltender drama (or more goaltender than we're used to, at least).

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:34 AM

I quickly read the title of your thread as "are" rather than "were" which confused me even more.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:38 AM

So what's wrong with having a healthy competition among 2 good goalies,especially if they come for that cheap.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 10:59 AM

Id much rather us have vokoun and have a competition then not and be one injury away from trouble

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:02 AM

Id much rather us have vokoun and have a competition then not and be one injury away from trouble


Exactly. Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition. There is a lot wrong with relying on possibly MacDonald, an AHL goalie, being your full time backup.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:05 AM

Saw this and was going to post it... but I assumed eventually someone would be like, "wtf, omg Holland!?"... wouldn't have been a bad move for 1.5 million, but the last time we went to bring in a competing goalie (Nabby) it really seemed to rattle Howard. Probably for the best in terms of Howard's future in Detroit.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:11 AM

Huh.

http://sports.yahoo...._medium=twitter

That said, I'm kind of glad we didn't get him. I get the feeling he wouldn't take kindly to clearly being a backup to Jimmy and we don't need to go back to the days of goaltender drama (or more goaltender than we're used to, at least).


Wait, so Howard is now a better goalie than Vokoun?
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:33 AM

Wait, so Howard is now a better goalie than Vokoun?

I don't know about that, but he's definitely going to be around longer.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:42 AM

I don't know about that, but he's definitely going to be around longer.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:42 AM

Naming Jimmy the backup would have been a crappy thing to do to him.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 11:46 AM

I had read that the Wings were in on Vokoun in the Freep, and had assumed basically what was inferred here - Vokoun wanted to go somewhere where he might still be the number 1. That place was obviously not Detroit.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:05 PM

I am convinced that the Holland is going for the cheapest route possible because there is going to be a move for someone at some point.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:10 PM

I am convinced that the Holland is going for the cheapest route possible because there is going to be a move for someone at some point.


Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:15 PM

Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.


Agreed. Different story if Vokoun would be fine with a backup role but Jimmy has done nothing to deserve a demotion.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:17 PM

Vokoun wanted to be a starter, but obviously Detroit didn't want to offer him that since Babs and Kenny have a lot of stock in Jimmy. So, Vokoun went elsewhere, where he can play as a number one. I don't blame either side for that.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:20 PM

Agreed. Different story if Vokoun would be fine with a backup role but Jimmy has done nothing to deserve a demotion.


Why not have them compete for a starting job?

The Wings are a professional sports team, and not a charity case. We don't owe Howard anything. We're trying to put together the best team possible.

If he couldn't beat Vokoun for a job, he shouldn't be a starter.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:29 PM

Why not have them compete for a starting job?

The Wings are a professional sports team, and not a charity case. We don't owe Howard anything. We're trying to put together the best team possible.

If he couldn't beat Vokoun for a job, he shouldn't be a starter.


No, the team doesn't owe him anything, but if you look at him as an investment, it makes a lot more sense. Almost getting Nabby threw him right off his game, then he followed it up by having a very solid post-season. Would you rather have a solid 35 year-old goalie for 1-2 seasons, or have a 27 year-old who's continuing to improve?

His regular season was certainly a drop-off, but to me he showed a lot of confidence and focus in the playoffs. Why jeopardize that for a 35 year-old who has played all of 11 games in the post-season and only won 3 of them. I'll take the goalie entering his prime.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:52 PM

No, the team doesn't owe him anything, but if you look at him as an investment, it makes a lot more sense. Almost getting Nabby threw him right off his game, then he followed it up by having a very solid post-season. Would you rather have a solid 35 year-old goalie for 1-2 seasons, or have a 27 year-old who's continuing to improve?

His regular season was certainly a drop-off, but to me he showed a lot of confidence and focus in the playoffs. Why jeopardize that for a 35 year-old who has played all of 11 games in the post-season and only won 3 of them. I'll take the goalie entering his prime.


Because the top players are the top players. Not potential top players. Why don't we just promote everyone on the griffins! They've got potential!
If he can't handle some internal competition, he's got more problems than Nabby potentially joining the team.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:54 PM

No, the team doesn't owe him anything, but if you look at him as an investment, it makes a lot more sense. Almost getting Nabby threw him right off his game, then he followed it up by having a very solid post-season. Would you rather have a solid 35 year-old goalie for 1-2 seasons, or have a 27 year-old who's continuing to improve?

His regular season was certainly a drop-off, but to me he showed a lot of confidence and focus in the playoffs. Why jeopardize that for a 35 year-old who has played all of 11 games in the post-season and only won 3 of them. I'll take the goalie entering his prime.

If there's one thing an NHL goaltender shouldn't be, it's easily rattled.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 02:00 PM

Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.

Unless it has been posted somewhere (on LGW or otherwise) no one has said what Detroit offered Vokoun. You shouldn't compare what he signed in Washington to what he could have signed in Detroit for to what Patrick Eaves got.

People always act as though any team can have any player for the money they signed elsewhere - as if that's the one and only factor. The Wings, whether people like it or not, have invested in Howard as their starter. They think by showing confidence in his game and role on the team that he will respond. At this point they feel as though he has already earned the starting job and doesn't need to compete for it with a potential Vokoun signing.
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