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Apparently, we were finalists for Vokoun?

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Huh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Red-Wings-were-finalist-for-Tomas-Vokoun-so-wha?urn=nhl-wp9014&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

That said, I'm kind of glad we didn't get him. I get the feeling he wouldn't take kindly to clearly being a backup to Jimmy and we don't need to go back to the days of goaltender drama (or more goaltender than we're used to, at least).

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So what's wrong with having a healthy competition among 2 good goalies,especially if they come for that cheap.

I enjoyed watching both Dom and Ozzie once,but that's just me.

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Id much rather us have vokoun and have a competition then not and be one injury away from trouble

Exactly. Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition. There is a lot wrong with relying on possibly MacDonald, an AHL goalie, being your full time backup.

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Saw this and was going to post it... but I assumed eventually someone would be like, "wtf, omg Holland!?"... wouldn't have been a bad move for 1.5 million, but the last time we went to bring in a competing goalie (Nabby) it really seemed to rattle Howard. Probably for the best in terms of Howard's future in Detroit.

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Huh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Red-Wings-were-finalist-for-Tomas-Vokoun-so-wha?urn=nhl-wp9014&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

That said, I'm kind of glad we didn't get him. I get the feeling he wouldn't take kindly to clearly being a backup to Jimmy and we don't need to go back to the days of goaltender drama (or more goaltender than we're used to, at least).

Wait, so Howard is now a better goalie than Vokoun?

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I had read that the Wings were in on Vokoun in the Freep, and had assumed basically what was inferred here - Vokoun wanted to go somewhere where he might still be the number 1. That place was obviously not Detroit.

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I am convinced that the Holland is going for the cheapest route possible because there is going to be a move for someone at some point.

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I am convinced that the Holland is going for the cheapest route possible because there is going to be a move for someone at some point.

Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.

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Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.

Agreed. Different story if Vokoun would be fine with a backup role but Jimmy has done nothing to deserve a demotion.

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Vokoun wanted to be a starter, but obviously Detroit didn't want to offer him that since Babs and Kenny have a lot of stock in Jimmy. So, Vokoun went elsewhere, where he can play as a number one. I don't blame either side for that.

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Agreed. Different story if Vokoun would be fine with a backup role but Jimmy has done nothing to deserve a demotion.

Why not have them compete for a starting job?

The Wings are a professional sports team, and not a charity case. We don't owe Howard anything. We're trying to put together the best team possible.

If he couldn't beat Vokoun for a job, he shouldn't be a starter.

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Why not have them compete for a starting job?

The Wings are a professional sports team, and not a charity case. We don't owe Howard anything. We're trying to put together the best team possible.

If he couldn't beat Vokoun for a job, he shouldn't be a starter.

No, the team doesn't owe him anything, but if you look at him as an investment, it makes a lot more sense. Almost getting Nabby threw him right off his game, then he followed it up by having a very solid post-season. Would you rather have a solid 35 year-old goalie for 1-2 seasons, or have a 27 year-old who's continuing to improve?

His regular season was certainly a drop-off, but to me he showed a lot of confidence and focus in the playoffs. Why jeopardize that for a 35 year-old who has played all of 11 games in the post-season and only won 3 of them. I'll take the goalie entering his prime.

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No, the team doesn't owe him anything, but if you look at him as an investment, it makes a lot more sense. Almost getting Nabby threw him right off his game, then he followed it up by having a very solid post-season. Would you rather have a solid 35 year-old goalie for 1-2 seasons, or have a 27 year-old who's continuing to improve?

His regular season was certainly a drop-off, but to me he showed a lot of confidence and focus in the playoffs. Why jeopardize that for a 35 year-old who has played all of 11 games in the post-season and only won 3 of them. I'll take the goalie entering his prime.

Because the top players are the top players. Not potential top players. Why don't we just promote everyone on the griffins! They've got potential!

If he can't handle some internal competition, he's got more problems than Nabby potentially joining the team.

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No, the team doesn't owe him anything, but if you look at him as an investment, it makes a lot more sense. Almost getting Nabby threw him right off his game, then he followed it up by having a very solid post-season. Would you rather have a solid 35 year-old goalie for 1-2 seasons, or have a 27 year-old who's continuing to improve?

His regular season was certainly a drop-off, but to me he showed a lot of confidence and focus in the playoffs. Why jeopardize that for a 35 year-old who has played all of 11 games in the post-season and only won 3 of them. I'll take the goalie entering his prime.

If there's one thing an NHL goaltender shouldn't be, it's easily rattled.

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Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.

Unless it has been posted somewhere (on LGW or otherwise) no one has said what Detroit offered Vokoun. You shouldn't compare what he signed in Washington to what he could have signed in Detroit for to what Patrick Eaves got.

People always act as though any team can have any player for the money they signed elsewhere - as if that's the one and only factor. The Wings, whether people like it or not, have invested in Howard as their starter. They think by showing confidence in his game and role on the team that he will respond. At this point they feel as though he has already earned the starting job and doesn't need to compete for it with a potential Vokoun signing.

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Why not have them compete for a starting job?

The Wings are a professional sports team, and not a charity case. We don't owe Howard anything. We're trying to put together the best team possible.

If he couldn't beat Vokoun for a job, he shouldn't be a starter.

It appears you didn't read the article. Vokoun's was interested in being given the position of starting goaltender. He was not interested in competing for the position. Notice that Boudreau has already announced that Vokoun will be the starting goalie for the Caps. The Caps were willing to give him that guarantee. The Wings were not, and rightfully so.

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I can't see why the Wings would need to sign Vokoun. Sure I can see them having interest in him but with Jimmy as our starter why would we need to spend the money on him. Our main concern should be signing a back-up goalie.

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Because the top players are the top players. Not potential top players. Why don't we just promote everyone on the griffins! They've got potential!

If he can't handle some internal competition, he's got more problems than Nabby potentially joining the team.

It's not just potential when he's shown actual growth at the NHL level. Jimmy Howard isn't an AHL player anymore. He looked more poised and focused in this playoffs than ever before. It's about hanging onto a younger guy who can play for years to come over a guy who'll be gone in a couple seasons. If the "internal" competition were a younger guy, then by all means. If I thought Vokoun would be THAT much better than Howard, then sure... but I doubt he would be a huge upgrade.

If there's one thing an NHL goaltender shouldn't be, it's easily rattled.

Which I agree with, but how many top goaltenders can you really say don't get rattled? I would argue for Miller and maybe Rinne off the top of my head. Goaltending is a touchy position, and there's a reason they say goaltenders are usually headcases. Generally speaking, goalies tend to have poor seasons all the time... then they can bounce back, or fall off the map. Thomas had a crap season, Luongo's a headcase... Price fell off too. Not to mention guys like Fleury, Kipper, Bryz, etc. Goalies naturally go through ups and downs.

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I'd rather have Howard as the starter, though Vokoun would have been a solid backup... he wanted the #1 gig.

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It appears you didn't read the article. Vokoun's was interested in being given the position of starting goaltender. He was not interested in competing for the position. Notice that Boudreau has already announced that Vokoun will be the starting goalie for the Caps. The Caps were willing to give him that guarantee. The Wings were not, and rightfully so.

Where does it say that? I read the article, and the only part that comes close to saying that is the conjecture made by Wyshynski about how Vokoun will be starting in Washington without having played a game for them. Nothing Holland said indicates anything about Vokoun, or any goalie, wanting to be given the starting job.

"Some of the goalies we talked to didn't want to be a backup," general manager Ken Holland said. "They want to go to other teams and have a shot at being No. 1 or at playing a lot more games."

That sounds like wanting to compete for the #1 job, which I can completely understand with Vokoun. He very well could've won the job with the Wings.

And it's not like Detroit doesn't have a history of bringing in other goalies to compete for the job when the opportunity is there.

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